How Often Do U Change Ur Workout

[Insanguis]

Re: angles

Muscle has two functions, to contract and relax, nothing more. It's as simple as that.
How do you work a muscle at different angles. A muscle can't contract across itself or diagonally or any other way. A muscle simply responds by recruiting the amount of fibres necessary to resist the force against it. It's that simple.

vinylgroover,

Your right in that Muscles basically have two functions-to contract and relax, however what you are failing to look at is that there is more than one muscle to contract in each muscle group. As you should know the tricep for example consists of three different muscles that have orgins and insertions that are unique. Attaching to different areas of the bone allows for stress on that muscle to be distributed among these three muscles unequally. Thus a change in angles changes the distribution of stress on each of the three muscles therefore making it necessary to change angles in order to maximize muscle stimulation of all three muscles. The only way to change the angles is by doing different exersizes for the same body part.

Gymtime is right on with this one!

 

[vinylgroover]

Gymtime,

Yeah, in fact, when i first started bodybuilding i used to change up alot, used to perform plenty of isolation stuff, used to employ drops, super sets and down-the-rack training.

Y'know where that got me. Nowhere fast. So i experimented and started being more analytical and critical, not only of the things i was doing, but of the bull**** i was reading and hearing from 'professional' bodybuilders and mediums such as flex and musclemag etc. Oh yeah, i was sold on terms like 'instinctive training''shock' training etc. The one big difference was they were on steroids, while i wasn't even on supplements. Whatever, workout they performed, they were obviously going to grow.

So after much agonising, i eventually went right back to basics, heavy compound stuff, some isolation stuff, and hit on a routine which started working. To this day, it still works.

In the process i have manged to explode the many myths that surround training which are espoused in this sport (to myself mind you), such as 'shock' training, 'angle' training and all those other fancy terms.

Take a sample leg workout for example. Take squats and leg press out and what are you left with? sissy squats, plies, adducter machines, lunges, leg extensions. I mean let's get serious.

I am not god, far from it, but i suspect that if anyone here has a differing opinion to Thaibox, he spits his dummy.

 

[vinylgroover]

Insanguis,

You are a goose. Thaibox and gymtime come across as intelligent people, but your comment above is full of ignorance.

The fact that you don't know that muscle attaches to tendons and not bones reflects on the stupidity of the rest of your comment.

Make sure you know what you're talking about before you make an argument.

I'll save you any further embarrasment.

 

[Prometheus]

Brian beat me to it. good post.

 

[Thaibox]

I am not god, far from it, but i suspect that if anyone here has a differing opinion to Thaibox, he spits his dummy.

Spit my dummy?? What did that mean??

I assume you're trying to say that I don't respect others opinions, but you just didn't articulate it very well. You're accusing me of doing exactly what you are doing? If you read around, you'll find the exact opposite. I'm here to learn, and to assist people with any experience I may have that may help. Lately, this board has seen several people that believe their training philosphies to be simply the best, and will not hear otherwise. You are coming across this way. I respect people's opinions and usually agree to disagree. However, these people are hard to deal with.

If you'd look, my first post here was respectful and I agreed to disagree. Then you became arrogant and did not respect anyone else's opinion, so I spoke up. Maybe it was not your intention to come across as you did, but it bugs the shit out of me.

I teach philosophy, so it bugs me when I deal with closed minded people. This is an open forum so everyone can learn from everyone else, not so one person can preach.

 

[vinylgroover]

Thaibox,

You insist on playing the man and not the ball. Show me where in my posts i have strayed from arguing the topic, to personal attacks. It is you that insists on attacking me personally, therefore i have no other reason than to suggest that you don't like a difference of opinion. In Australia, we call that a dummy spit.

You say i was arrogant. If you look back at the post that started the whole disagreement and your personal attack, i merely suggested to Gymtime that he re-assess his training in response to his quote "i Couldn't imagine going to the gym and doing the same workout every day. I mean how boring would that be".

Now gymtime sounds intelligent, but that was a dumb thing to say, and i simply responded to that. It seemed to me that his whole argument in favour of changing workouts or routine was related to boredom, and not muscle growth. That was why i responded the way i did. It was not intended as an arrogant outburst.

So if you insist on playing the man, no big deal. And if every time someone has a difference of opinion to you, you judge that person to be preaching, then it is you who needs to open you mind. Oh and by the way, by supporting your argument by telling others what you've studied and by espousing your qualifications, that to me is always a sure sign of someone who is self righteous.

 

[gymtime]

You imply that anyone who changes their workouts are little more than blind sheep who follow the musclemags and have no analytical skills. You then call everyone who disagrees with you "self-righteous."

Glass houses my friend.

 

[vinylgroover]

No not at all Gymtime. I'm actually a very agreeable person.

Read Thaibox's thread on SSAlex that he recently made and you will see a person full of contradiction and self righteousness.

 

[b fold the truth]

My routine moves in cycles. After a contest I take a week totally off because I am so sore to even move..lol. The next few weeks are slow building and deciding where my weak points are. The next few weeks I start to really go into a strength gym training phase and as the contest comes closer...I lower my gym lifting and increase my event training.

B True

 

[Lumberg]

Adding my 2 cents:

As far as changing up the program, I actually like a realtively static program. The main reason is that I keep making gains. That's good enough for me. I also have a theory as to why it works.

As we all know, there are two types of failure when you fail; neuromuscular failure and muscular failure. Neuromuscular is when maybe your muscle still has enough power in it to do another rep but your nervous system breaks down and the nerves just can't fire fast enough to make that muscle go any more. Muscular is when the ATP stores in the muscle are completely exhausted. I agree with the people that say the the first type of failure is more common than the second.

We also know that when you start benching and start making gains, it's just as much due to the nervous system getting better at perfoming the movement efficiently as from your muscles growing.

I stay with the same exercises because I figure I have optimized my nervous system for them. I am already benching, squatting, etc. about as efficiently (from a nervous system standpoint) as I can. I train to failure, and therefore I am increasing the likelihood that I am actually achieving muscular failure, which is what I want because that is what causes hypertrophy.

I don't feel that I have reached a stage in my development yet where I need to focus on the different heads of my triceps or on outer vs. inner quads, etc. So I am sticking to the same basic lifts.

I have nothing against the people exoressing different opinions on this thread, I think most of the people contributing are intelligent people (vinylgroover, Thibox, and gymtime especially). And of course I am interested in all modifications/refutations/deconstructions/unconditional endorsements of my theory.

JC