How much test does a women make?

[ariel]

How much test does a woman make?

To anyone who has read my threads and helped out thanks a bunch...Here is a question

I spoke with a few members here about using winny and or test to bring up my natrual level of test, and then maintain with my 1-2 mg a day of test cream(script)

A few members mentioned that a doc will give a injection of test when one is low in their own, to bring up the level quickly..then you maintain with the cream

My doc won't do that, becasue she prefers the natrual more wholistic and patient route...I have already discussed that with her, and she wants me to stay on the cream for 4 months and then we will test again...then adjust if needed.

I want to know what a fairly moderate to high NORMAL level of test, a women makes, say a week,(in a syringe) and if I were to purchase some of my own gear with the purpose to raise to my NATURAL level quickly, and than maintain with my script test..

What type of test is best, and if one large injection will pull this off, or if I should say do 2 a month or a week or whatever... Anyone who read my thread realizes that I don't have months to start to feel and look better(although the cream has made some difference it is not much, and I am dosing at 2 mg a day) Which is double of what the bottle says(they said I could dose myself though)

Please help with this, I don't know much about the differences between test cyp, or prop, and what would work quickly just to get me to NORMAL...I stress this, I only am looking for normal levels right now.....If it takes only one injection, fine, I am not looking to run a true cycle at this time....Just would like to function like a normal person, because I am guessing my test and other hormones have been screwed up kinda since puberty, and got worse more than year ago, I just want to feel strong and have some stamina again.

Thanks
ariel

 

[BlackCherri]

You understand that any AS will suppress your body's production NOT raise your natural level? If your natural level is low now it will be pushed lower still after 3-4 weeks of exogenous supplementation. I've read that a woman's test production (pre-menopausal) is between .8 and 1.2 mgs per day. If you want to simulate that level with AS then a drug that releases about that much each day is what you want. An oral will enable you to get out quick if intolerable sides appear. The longer halflives are more dangerous in a way since they are longer acting and if you get your ass in a sling you have to ride it out.

About the winny, I did well on it once, and then badly another time. That stuff is like spinning a roulette wheel. You might want to reconsider that one. Anavar is predictable, and widely available. Why not that one? It wont do as much for your sex drive or stamina like a more androgenic AS but it generally is less likely to cause intolerable sides.

So why do you think your homones are screwed up?

 

[ariel]

Blackcherri,

Thanks for the response....

I have more detailed explantion in my hi thread down the board a little bit...

I have been diagnosed with low test levels and I have test cream, for as long as I need it, maybe forever...The intial situation I want to rectify by bringing UP the level and than just using my test cream to maintain...SOme board members here (I believe Realgains wrote this) that an intial moderate dosage will allow my levels to climb to normal, than I just continue to supplement with my script test...I am under the impression that it is possible and a good route to go...I also believe that Realgains got most of his info from an endo, who wrote abook on hormones and women...Which I tried to get, have to put on order.

Are you saying that if I use test cyp or prop maybe 2 times that my already low levels will fall, even with test cream supplementation????

My hormones ARE screwed up, plain and simple....I don't want to post everything again, but there is really detailed info in the HI thread posted by me, ariel...
Thanks again blackcherri....

 

[fitmedic]

ariel, what have you been feeling that you need to "supplement?" and is that a result of a gear cycle?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Something about this post seems weird. First of all, I can't believe you found a doctor to presecribe T to you because you were low. To most doctors there's no such thing as "Too low" for a women. They're even reluctant to prescribe to MEN who are low. It also sounds like you aren't too sure how exogenous test affects the body. Also, you're using a cream? What cream? They don't even make a cream anymore as far as I know and when they did it had to be applied to the scrotum. For women, the AndroGel is a great choice. A daily dab is all you would need to have normal/high levels.

 

[ariel]

Nelson,

I am a little put back that you called my post weird or whatever...

I have low test level, and my doctor prescribed me 2% test cream, made by a compounding pharmacy in Arizona...Prescription Lab Pharmacy, they speclize in NATURAL estrogen, testosterone, progesterone prescriptions. They have a website as well

My doctor is a Osteopathic Physician, who is into life extention and quality of life wholistic health care...Fitfossil also has a prescription for test from her doc as well.

As far as you thinking that there is NO SUCH THING as TOO LOW...Tell that to my LAB who has a grid on their results sheets that have the levels of acceptable TEST for women...Tell that to Fitfossil too will ya???? OH yeah and Realgains wife has script and too low of a test level as well....DOn't know where you are getting your info....

Take it easy on a topic that you clearly no NOTHING about....Do some reasearch before you come to a thread and say this sounds "weird" and "you don't believe" Like I would post this bullshit for no reason, like I am pulling it out my ass....

Now that I have EDUCATED you, maybe you can look into it, and with your background in writing and research you can even come up with more solutions and maybe even help me, and other women who have this problem

OH yeah, even oxygen mag this month wrote about the implacations of low test in women..Says that only people in the old school thinking have a problem prescribing test to women when it is low...Now that you are enlightend..Spread the word.

ariel

 

[ariel]

Fitmedic,

Thank you for the reply on my thread. The reason I feel I need to supplement is because I have been training for years, and made great gains, dieting for my first show, and NEVER recovered from it..Slowly my training went down hill, and now I am to the poiint that after 7 years of bb I am weak(getting better since the test cream) and just plain having issues I never did before..I never took AAS before, and don't plan on running a real cycle.

I would like to get my normal levels back up quickly..I am an exotic dancer, and I have to stay lean(to some degree) for work, and before I was tested for low test I felt and was looking like shit, even the diet was good and I tried to train 3-5 times a week but my 25lb dumbell curls now were 8lb curls.

I am on natural script test cream, but don't want to wait the 4-5 months to really get the test level to normal and start seeing some results. I had read that some docs will inject a higher dose of test before using the cream just to get the level to normal and than maintain.

I have a friend who has some EQ, PROP, or CYP that will just give me 1 or 2 shots. I want to know how much and how many mgs mls I should do to get me where I want. He says EQ but I have NO IDEA, and need some guidance...I won't be taking this shot without some outside opionions.

Everyone here so far has said to wait for my natural level to come up, but I think everyone here has a BB mindset...Why should I even train if I can seriously only lift the PINK DUMBELLS because my ass is too weak to even get a decent workout.

I am not trying to juice to the gills, just want my weight poundage back, and would like to set some goals regarding my training, which have been nonexistant due to the exteme loss in strenght and quality of life...Don't get me wrong I have been training on a regualr basis, just sadly watched my training go to shit.

I don't drink or abuse rec drugs at all, just had a very focused mind on competing and fucked my natural levels up..Now my job requires me to have stamina and to maintain healthy bodyfat level. I will tell you guys for the past year just 1 night of work or walking my dog for 30 mins was leaving my legs sore for 3 days. I was tired and sluggish all the time. I am feeling better now, but want to get the levels up to NORMAL heck maybe even high normal so I can train hard and have an enjoyable life...I am telling you I have been feeling like SHIT for a year, and maybe made it worse by having to eat near bmr or put on bodyfat. Not to mention us BBers have a mental issue with stength and body image...I won't pretend that it does not play some role in the demotivation, but I do know that by no means was it all lack of motivation..

OK, PLEASE OH PRETTY PLEASE...
What DOSAGE, and TYPE of TEST, EQ, PROP, CYP, would be the best for my circumstance????? I would stop my test cream for a week or two after my shot to not get the test levels too high...Woulda 25mg shot be good, 2 in the next 30 days??? This is what I have deduced so far for myself. 50mg sounds high for normal levls, but I am starting out and 1/3 of normal so maybe 50mg would not be high...I will also inform my DOC and will be having blood checked in DEC. Can sides come on with this type of dosage??/ I am thinking no...OK, whew...Enough for now...

Thanks everyone for their time and replies.
ariel

 

[BlackCherri]

Hey girl, dont let Nelson upset you too much. If that is the real Nelson Montana he has been around bb a long time and I respect his opinions, but a lot of them are based on disproved, old school ideas about AS rather than good science. I like the guy, just dont get too wound up in his comments.

So your T has been low since the pre-contest diet? I know a diet too low in fat can impact T production. How many calories are you consuming and how much protein? Are you getting enough sleep? I infer from your posts you are pretty damn stressed. All these things can put a whupass on your T production.

One thing I am pretty sure you are doing now is overtraining. Your body is rundown most likely and you are still trying to bang away in the gym. Your bod is saying whoa and your dome is saying go. Something's gotta give chica.


If you addressed all of these factors in your life I would bet my daughter's college fund (not really!) that you would start making some gains again.

But your question was what AS to use. No one can tell you which one is best for you, especially for us since AS are generally more unpredictable for women than men. I'm far from an expert on them, but like I said I've used a couple and I feel anavar is a safe bet at maybe 10mg daily. I've never used any Test so I would be talking shit to say anything at all about them.

I think that if you concentrated on the components of your lifestyle that I mentioned your T levels would rebound substantially. AS definitely are not a panacea and I think you can achieve your goals without them.

 

[Nelson Montana]

WHOA there ariel!

First off, thank you for the enlightenent.

Incidentally, I have over 300 published pieces in this field so I might know a little something about it in spite of what you think.


Now if I may offer some edification of my own, I'd start by suggesting you re-read my post. I never said that a woman's T can't be too low. I said that's the conventional thinking of most doctors. Perhaps if you would have finished the post you'd see that I recommend AndroGel. So your assumption is way off. The fact that you found a liberal doctor is great, but testosterone "cream" is not a standard method of testosterone therapy. I know that some companies make a combo hormone cream and that's probably what you have, but the increase in T may be negligible compared to cyp,enanthate or AndroGel.

Also, when said "I can't believe"....it's a figure of speech, as in "it's very surprising" -- not that I don't believe you.

You still seem to be off base with your thinking. Maybe I'm reading you wrong but it sounds as if you think exogeneous T will raise your natural levels. It will have the exact opposite effect.

Black Cherri: EVERYBODY who wrote about steroids in the 90's was wrong about some things. That doesn't mean I hold on to old outdated thoughts. In fact, most of my views have been thought of as quite radical. But some things don't change, and basic physiology is one of them. Having said all of that, I'll reiterate my original opinion. AndroGel will work wonders as well as provide a more natural release than an injectable. A 30 day supply for a man will last a woman for over a year.

 

[fitmedic]

ariel. every time i read a post that montana has responded to/started he is promoting his book/trying to make money. i AM SO NOT ABOUT THAT. im NOT sayinghe doesnt have good/accurate info i just HATE when soemone does that .anyway prolly should have pm'd you onthat but blah blah blah. i have some good info on test ill send it to you when i find it.