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c3bodybuilding
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Some of you guys need to talk to Realgains (5'11 I believe, and got to a lean 250 or so. Never did volume). He will tell you all about HIT and HeavyDuty.
And Mike Mentzer never did one set only per body part, not while he was competing. He would do 2-6 work sets per part. You must remember this was at a time when most were training 6 days a week, sometimes twice a day, with up to 20 sets a body part. Mike's routines were a breath of fresh air.
I've always trained low volume, and Have gone from 144.5lbs at nearly 6'4 to 260lbs at a high point all within 4 years. The most I've done for a bodypart is 4-6 working sets. If anyone wants to call those type of gains, pussy, then so be it.
I'd like some people to tell Dorian Yates that HIT is pussy. Perhaps Casey Viator, or Tom Platz. Those guys along with Mike Mentzer trained with incredible intensity. They were HARD workers. Dante who does no more than one set per body part, a session, and is 300lbs, would laugh at such a statement.
Different strokes for different folks, but don't make such outlandish statements.
And Mike Mentzer never did one set only per body part, not while he was competing. He would do 2-6 work sets per part. You must remember this was at a time when most were training 6 days a week, sometimes twice a day, with up to 20 sets a body part. Mike's routines were a breath of fresh air.
I've always trained low volume, and Have gone from 144.5lbs at nearly 6'4 to 260lbs at a high point all within 4 years. The most I've done for a bodypart is 4-6 working sets. If anyone wants to call those type of gains, pussy, then so be it.
I'd like some people to tell Dorian Yates that HIT is pussy. Perhaps Casey Viator, or Tom Platz. Those guys along with Mike Mentzer trained with incredible intensity. They were HARD workers. Dante who does no more than one set per body part, a session, and is 300lbs, would laugh at such a statement.
Different strokes for different folks, but don't make such outlandish statements.
louden_swain
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I use one all-out set per exercise. . .thats all I need to stimulate growth and develop strength.
I would rather run a 400m flat out and fall flat at the end not able to stand for several minutes than walk around a 10k and then walk off afterwards.
That's extreme, and I know HST works, but each person prefers their own way and even ones own way will change over time. To knock what someone does when they are getting results doesn't seem the most bright thing to do.
I do mostly one working rest paused set for most body parts, sometimes I do a couple sets i.e. squats. This isn't HIT but it isn't a million miles away.
I just say, If it works it works.
That's extreme, and I know HST works, but each person prefers their own way and even ones own way will change over time. To knock what someone does when they are getting results doesn't seem the most bright thing to do.
I do mostly one working rest paused set for most body parts, sometimes I do a couple sets i.e. squats. This isn't HIT but it isn't a million miles away.
I just say, If it works it works.
vinylgroover
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I think there is a big misconception out there on what HIT is.
Even Dorian Yates used to do up to 7 sets (sometimes more) per bodypart. The only difference is he called his sets warm up sets while others called them working sets......just a difference in interpretation, that's all.
I really don't think anyone out there does one set per bodypart.
Even Dorian Yates used to do up to 7 sets (sometimes more) per bodypart. The only difference is he called his sets warm up sets while others called them working sets......just a difference in interpretation, that's all.
I really don't think anyone out there does one set per bodypart.
louden_swain
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vinylgroover said:
No, it is important to warm up first. Warmups are not building sets.
c3bodybuilding
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Vinyl, what may seem like heavy working sets to some, were light warm up sets to Dorian. He was very strong, and some of his warm up sets are what some people use for working sets, and then some. He never did volume. You have guys like Lee Priest who do 20 sets for arms, Dorian was never about that.
And yes, some people do only one set, and get great progress. Some on this very board. Myself, Louden, Debaser, etc. Just about anyone following DC.
Just trying to keep things in perspective. Like I typed earlier, different strokes for different folk.
And yes, some people do only one set, and get great progress. Some on this very board. Myself, Louden, Debaser, etc. Just about anyone following DC.
Just trying to keep things in perspective. Like I typed earlier, different strokes for different folk.
louden_swain
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Dorian did use only one set at maximum intensity
He would warmup up with 3 sets, then go beyond failure on his las set. Here was an example of his routine:
Warmups:
135lbs x 10, 245lbs x 10, 335lbs x 8
Max All-Out Set:
425lbs x 7 with forced reps from Leroy Davis (training partner)
This is also my method of training. . .
He would warmup up with 3 sets, then go beyond failure on his las set. Here was an example of his routine:
Warmups:
135lbs x 10, 245lbs x 10, 335lbs x 8
Max All-Out Set:
425lbs x 7 with forced reps from Leroy Davis (training partner)
This is also my method of training. . .
Dorian (on the video anyway) did three warmup sets for each exercise. On Mentzer's HIT video, he had the guy do 1 warmup set for each superset (all the exercises were done with supersets using pre-exhaustion).
In my opinion, that is too many warm up sets....it's like they are doing a 1/2 pyramid method. In my case, I do 3 warm up sets for only the first bodypart trained that day (Chest, Back, or legs), and don't do any other warm up sets. I just feel like it's a waste of energy.
My routine is 5 sets per major bodypart, and 3 sets for arms......all to failure or beyond (partials, drop sets, etc.).
I've seen like dozens of training videos over the years and the hardest working guy out there is definately Tom Platz. He did this training video for Leo Costas "Big Beyond Belief" system that is outstanding. Keep in mind this was in the mid 90s, way past his competing years, but as he's doing leg curls and Leo is is holding on to the leg pad trying to add extra resistance on the negative, Platz who is dripping with sweat is yelling "kill me" at the top of his lungs..........F'in AWESOME!!!!
In my opinion, that is too many warm up sets....it's like they are doing a 1/2 pyramid method. In my case, I do 3 warm up sets for only the first bodypart trained that day (Chest, Back, or legs), and don't do any other warm up sets. I just feel like it's a waste of energy.
My routine is 5 sets per major bodypart, and 3 sets for arms......all to failure or beyond (partials, drop sets, etc.).
I've seen like dozens of training videos over the years and the hardest working guy out there is definately Tom Platz. He did this training video for Leo Costas "Big Beyond Belief" system that is outstanding. Keep in mind this was in the mid 90s, way past his competing years, but as he's doing leg curls and Leo is is holding on to the leg pad trying to add extra resistance on the negative, Platz who is dripping with sweat is yelling "kill me" at the top of his lungs..........F'in AWESOME!!!!
