High protein diet bs??

[toxicsambo]

Do you have more credentials than the rest of us?

Not an expert, but as I mentioned before a double major, B.S Respiratory Care/B.A English. It's not a war. Don't get flustered. I just think you're getting confused over an issue with tons of variables and diseased persons dont have any relevance here.

.8-1 gram for sedentary persons per lb of LBM is a CLINICAL ratio so the body spares itself from catabolizing and causing deficiencies. So how can an AAS user/BB/Athelete not need at least 2 grams per lb of LBM? Include the effects of the drugs, the immense muscularity, the amount of force used per day of weight trainng, thier goals...etc. A woman sitting at a typewriter will not get kidney failure from from eating 2.0 gr of protein per/lb of LBM unless she does nothing but eat protein ONLY for a prolonged period. ANd the fact is, that rarely happens in real life.

Studies mean absolutely squat, and APEX teaches you what they want you to know so you stick to thier philosophy. Diet is as relative to a single person as training is. Every person has varying needs/bodytypes/activity levels/endocrine functions..etc. But protein is needed at a minimal ratio to prevent wasting. And if you train hard, take aas, and are looking to grow, that much more is needed to create protein anabolism. Look at some of the posts on this forum of about how someone is taking 1-2 grams of gear for like 10-12 weeks and only gain 10lbs. The first thing everyone asks is " How much protein did you take in per day?" Usually the answer is not enough.

 

[krishna]

I appreciate your input bro! I don't pretend to have all the answers. I like discussions like these to help me get more info and closer to the truth of the matter. When someone asks, it's usually because they are unclear or don't know, not because they do know; otherwise they wouldn't need to ask.

 

[chazk]

If I followed your .05 grams per pound of body weight in a 40-30-30 ratio
at 5'8 195lbs 15%bf my weight is 165 lbm .

40 % .05 grams of protien per pound lbm is 82.5 =@ 330 calories.
30% 75 carbs = @300 calories
30% fat 34 grams of fat = @300 calories

So your apex "higher education" Suggest I should take in less than 1000 calories .To gain muscle and burn fat.
Are you trying to send me to a fucking death camp?Lets be serious here.
Apex is telling people to stay in shape on this diet?They are fucking idiots then.You should take your certificate shred it and mail it back to them.
As far as your buddy on stage agrees with your diet i doubt he built his body off 1500 calories a day lets be real and do the math.

 

[Prizz]

Studies mean absolutely squat, and APEX teaches you what they want you to know so you stick to thier philosophy. Diet is as relative to a single person as training is.

See, now this is just not true bro..... Studies are the only controlled way we can learn about what works for MOST humans..... Yeah, there are gonna be varying results, and those variables might not be seen in the studies' results, but you can't dismiss studies all together...... My body might not react EXACTLY like yours, but we're both still Humans, and results will be SIMILAR..... I'm a Respiratory guy too btw.... It's a decent field to get into.....

rizz

 

[MR. BMJ]

If you do a search on the women's board a few years back under the member name MS, there will be a lot of awesome info regarding this topic in many debates. There was 1 or 2 really good heated debates that were a couple of pages long. If I have time i'll see if I can pull them up and post a link to them.

BMJ

 

[MR. BMJ]

Here's one. Note that it isn't exactly recent so any research after it would have to be considered into the equation.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=158423&highlight=protein

BMJ

btw...I haven't read all 3 pages to this thread so excuse me if I am off topic at all.

 

[gjohnson5]

Not an expert, but as I mentioned before a double major, B.S Respiratory Care/B.A English. It's not a war. Don't get flustered. I just think you're getting confused over an issue with tons of variables and diseased persons dont have any relevance here.

.8-1 gram for sedentary persons per lb of LBM is a CLINICAL ratio so the body spares itself from catabolizing and causing deficiencies. So how can an AAS user/BB/Athelete not need at least 2 grams per lb of LBM? Include the effects of the drugs, the immense muscularity, the amount of force used per day of weight trainng, thier goals...etc. A woman sitting at a typewriter will not get kidney failure from from eating 2.0 gr of protein per/lb of LBM unless she does nothing but eat protein ONLY for a prolonged period. ANd the fact is, that rarely happens in real life.

Studies mean absolutely squat, and APEX teaches you what they want you to know so you stick to thier philosophy. Diet is as relative to a single person as training is. Every person has varying needs/bodytypes/activity levels/endocrine functions..etc. But protein is needed at a minimal ratio to prevent wasting. And if you train hard, take aas, and are looking to grow, that much more is needed to create protein anabolism. Look at some of the posts on this forum of about how someone is taking 1-2 grams of gear for like 10-12 weeks and only gain 10lbs. The first thing everyone asks is " How much protein did you take in per day?" Usually the answer is not enough.

I think it is you who is getting confused. In terms of liver and kidneys, what is a "diseased" person??? Since you attacked me with that point, I would like you to come up with the answer. People have been diagnosed with both and may report no trouble passing urine or getting liver enzyme values back to normal. Even if one has impaired liver function, isn’t that why we take NAC, glutathione, milk thistle? Why not drink more water to help renal function???

Anyway, liver disease and kidney (renal) disease basically mean "we don't know". You have a reduced ability to pass urine through your kidneys, but the specific cause is unknown... That label is renal disease.... Your liver enzyme ALT is 8 times normal??? What is the first thing your doctor asks you? What hard liquor do you drink, Right? Let's overlook that statin drug he prescribed you... You look on your medical records and it says "liver disease” Why?? Because you have elevated enzymes and they really don't know why. It does not mean you are diseased!!! Where in the word did you get that idea??? He did not diagnose you with Hepatitis C...

As far as studies meaning squat, I think Mr. X said something similar, and I will disagree again. This is the reason I posted the medical tests. The BUN test can give an indication as to the liver and kidney function of the user, not a statistical average of a group of people. Put that in combination with how that user consumes food and we can start to get a better idea. Take that same lifestyle information and put a ph strip on that person’s saliva or urine... This will reveal more information whether helpful or not. Add a blood test and check white cell count and blood protein concentrations... The studies were just general information...

As far as anabolism during training, I listed some supps that will help if not completely stop this. Some aminos (powder or liquid) with your protein drink mixed with some glutamine peptides. Take some Methoxy isoflavone to block the hormone cortisol. Swallow some HMB before training. Swallow some high quality bovine colostrums first thing on an empty stomach such as New Life Colostrum. Then followed by some glucose/dextrose so that proteins will be spared and sugars will be utilized to reduce catabolism and body functions. Proteins absorb in the presence of carbs... There's more to it then just swallowing more protein


Anyway, enough

 

[gjohnson5]

Protein before bed is a big issue to me. Micellar Casein Isolate protein, not just milk protein concentrate. Also Oats before bed can add a long sustain complex carb at nightime.

This kinda thing can be found on the diet board

 

[gjohnson5]

See, now this is just not true bro..... Studies are the only controlled way we can learn about what works for MOST humans..... Yeah, there are gonna be varying results, and those variables might not be seen in the studies' results, but you can't dismiss studies all together...... My body might not react EXACTLY like yours, but we're both still Humans, and results will be SIMILAR..... I'm a Respiratory guy too btw.... It's a decent field to get into.....

rizz

they are not totally useless!!!

 

[gjohnson5]

If I followed your .05 grams per pound of body weight in a 40-30-30 ratio
at 5'8 195lbs 15%bf my weight is 165 lbm .

40 % .05 grams of protien per pound lbm is 82.5 =@ 330 calories.
30% 75 carbs = @300 calories
30% fat 34 grams of fat = @300 calories

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This is just totally wrong. Please visit the diet board.