High protein diet bs??

[instant.muscle]

the avg person can absorb 35-40 grams of protein in one hour, but AAS increase the rate of protein synthesis, which is what causes our mussles 2 grow, think of it like a go kart, take off the governor

 

[GymIntensity]

The point is that you may not need as much protein as you think to build and preserve lbm. Another point is that protein overload can cause health problems as gjohnson pointed out. Your body can only use so much protein, and if you're not getting the other macronutrients necessary for energy/protein synthesis, your body uses the protein as energy and gets used to destroying the protein instead of utilizing it properly. Basically, your body can only use so much protein properly to build muscle anyway, so why overload it if all it's going to do is cause health problems?

Krishna you are right about the health problems. Actually consuming too much protein, enough at one time when your body cannot break it all completely down causes ammonia poisoning. When protein is broke down it creates ammonia, i believe when it goes through the liver, and too much protein will cause too much ammonia therefore poisoning your body. Learned about that while working at GNC.

so you can have too much protein for sure.

 

[chazk]

Very few of the personal trainers in my gym look anything like body builders nor do their clients ,Nor do they eat like body builders .On the other hand Charles glass trains body builders and recommends 2 grams of protien per lbm lbs.Id rather take advice from a body builder training others body builders that has the body of a body builder .Also charles glass was a pro at one time and knows what it takes to be a pro.

Its like the old saying in the gym.If you want to big boy eat like a big boy.If you want to look like a tiny little girl eat what a tiny little girl eats.

 

[DMI]

Well this is news to me. All I know is that competetive bodybuilders eat somewhere between 400 and 600g of protein per day and they have the muscle to prove it works.

 

[karachi183]

From Trial and error i personally need to at least 1 - 1.5g's protein to grow or maintain muscle..... anything less and i just shrink

 

[Prizz]

I think the point is BB's who use AAS NEED more protein then the average athlete, if they wanna build muscle..... I think the golden question is: Exactly how much protein do they need??? The answer is elusive to say the least..... This is why you have guys eating 600gms per day, which is WAY OVER KILL NO MATTER HOW MUCH GEAR YOURE USING..... Sticking with 200-250gms per day is more like it, and still safe on the body, which is pretty important too..... I think this is the point and topic Krishna was trying to talk about here.....

rizz

 

[krishna]

One of the trainors I work with just got his natural pro card and steps on stage at about 220. He has a master's in exercise and nutrition, and he agrees with the ratio's I originally posted. ksbst9mm,who posted a few threads before this, also has a master's and agrees with the ratios. Seems like the ones with higher educations agree with lower protein intake.

 

[The Godfather]

There is no one diet that will work for everyone. Obviously, people with higher b/f have different needs than those with single digit. It is difficult to argue against the fact that genetics makes up the majority of your body composition.
The prision weight room is a perfect example of this. Why is it that some people can go to prision and become jacked out of their mind, while others lift the same and don't. They have the same nutrition and training...... it's genetics my friend. "You can feed a bulldog like a greyhound and it will still have the build of a bulldog, and vise-versa."

 

[Mr.X]

I am a personal trainor who is certified in Apex and NASM. None of their stuff or research shows that you need anywhere near 1.5 grams of protein per body weight to lose fat and build muscle. In fact, their studies show that people did better with a balanced ratio of carbs/fats/protein (45/30/25). I did hear from an apex instructor once that high amounts of protein are only necessary for extreme bodybuilding because they weigh more and have higher muscle content. Anybody have any knowledge or science on the matter?

First, being "Apex and NASM" certified doesn't mean much to me. I used to train with a guy who had about 5 cirtifications and couldn't tell a chicken breast from a turkeys ass - he used to rant about stuff all the time.

Second, you do have some valid points here but they are variable at best. From my experience, size and muscle mass tends to be one of the major factors in protein intake. When I started working with clients, I had this mad idea about 2grams of protein/lb. of bodyweight or else; well seeing how proteins like whey convert to glucose at a 50-54% ratio - this was not a good idea. I started using CKD/TKD and Bodyopus as a base, highfat/mod. protein and isocaloric (40/30/30 - dan duchaines layout) for most of my average clients. The bigger guys went on a 50%p/30%c/20%f or turn it to 30f/20c - depending on goals. I found that best results for cutting came from a very controlled bodyopus, naturally I had men lose 1-2lbs. of bodyfat per week and gain about 0.25lbs of muslce mass/week (+/- of course). Keep in mind, NO anabolics involved. Women did much better on an isocaloric with a 30%p/40%f/30%c doing a p/f switch with less training, for women tend to overtrain a lot more then men, that's why most women hit starvation faster in their diets and get no results. BMR for both men and women floated from wx12 , wx10 , wx15-18 - depending on size and refeed needs.

Conclusion, I would never call a high protein diet "BS", but I think every diet has it's place. As a trainer, your 'friend' should know about customization and tailoring regiments to specific clients.

 

[krishna]

Ya you're right X. I'm not using my certs as a reason to say I have all the knowledge. In fact, my training is what confused me. I don't pretend to know it all, that's why I asked for opinions. Thanks for chiming in with some knowledge