Have you seen a Real Doll?

[soragesum2]

Strongbow...

I was actually going to answer one of your earlier questions, but unlike most internet discussions that eventually degrade into a series of ad-hominem attacks after a while, you on the other hand immediatly start with ad-hominem attacks. As a matter of fact, you may have broken some kind of record.

Then seeing your continous stream of ad-hominem attacks one after the other with your stream of alpha-male-chest-beating BS, makes me see that I personally will be incredulous if you have even one ounce of credibility on this site. If you do, it certainly doesn't speak well for this forum at all.

And is certainly why I don't give another ounce of thought to any of your posts.

At least musclemom was attempting to have an actual discussion... I give her a lot of props for that.

 

[soragesum2]

You have an interesting user name. It's unusual enough that I doubt if there are lots of others like it out there (unlike my own, I've tried to get this name on other weight training boards and other ladies have beaten me to it).

Funny thing about unusual user names, it's always interesting to see what pops up when you Google them

Ha ha...Watch out Alice... do you really want to know how deep the rabbit hole goes? LOL

Oh... and you would NEVER in a million years guess what my screen name means. It's pretty deep.

 

[musclemom]

Ha ha...Watch out Alice... do you really want to know how deep the rabbit hole goes? LOL

Oh... and you would NEVER in a million years guess what my screen name means. It's pretty deep.

Probably not, that was why I Googled it, I got curious, I couldn't even figure out how to pronounce it. Then I learned a little bit more about you by reading your posts (and they were your posts, or you're imitating that person, they have your writing style and even some of your phraseology) on the Extreme BDSM Board. Frankly, I don't understand the Master/Sub relationship, and I realize there is no explaining it to someone outside the culture. Much like jazz or oysters, you either "get it" or you don't. But seeing that was where you're coming from also explained a few things in terms of why you would find some degree of satisfaction in the "relationship" you currently have and also why you don't feel the vast majority of people could understand the type of relationship you desire and what you're talking about when you reference a high degree of intimacy, an addiction to that intimacy. I sort of get that. The kind of intimacy and trust required in an extreme master/slave relationship is something that is "beyond" people outside of that community. Hell, that shit's scary. Certainly, not my cup of tea but as long as everyone is a consenting adult, and there is a safety net, as the Charge of the Goddess says "all acts of love and pleasure are My rituals." You need a partner for what you desire and the eventual partner you may find will need someone to fulfill her needs so that is a symbiotic relationship. Certainly you'd probably treat your slave with more "respect" than a husband who abuses his wife. They have a symbiotic relationship too, but nobody knows the rules and they have no safe word.

Now, do I still think that maybe trying to figure out where those drives stemmed from, on the part of both parties, is a worthy pursuit? Since I believe knowledge of self is one of the greatest pursuits, then yes. I don't think there is a single person on this planet that couldn't benefit from some form of introspection or therapy.

Relationship wise, I don't think the need to feel you have absolute control, or the need to utterly relinquish all control, results in a truly balanced, harmonious and dynamic long term relationship. Workable, yes. Loving, in a way I don't quite understand but certainly, yes. However, spiritually doomed to stagnation because you become bound into roles that you can't grow beyond and if one does somehow grow beyond the role, the relationship can't support it.

Maybe if the relationship is intense enough, the trust is there, and there is open communication the two parties can work through whatever demons they carry and in the end come out of it on the other side to the point where the latex and leather and gags and ropes become superfluous. Perhaps that's another exit in the rabbit hole you make reference to, as well.

 

[Strongbow]

Strongbow...

I was actually going to answer one of your earlier questions, but unlike most internet discussions that eventually degrade into a series of ad-hominem attacks after a while, you on the other hand immediatly start with ad-hominem attacks. As a matter of fact, you may have broken some kind of record.

Then seeing your continous stream of ad-hominem attacks one after the other with your stream of alpha-male-chest-beating BS, makes me see that I personally will be incredulous if you have even one ounce of credibility on this site. If you do, it certainly doesn't speak well for this forum at all.

And is certainly why I don't give another ounce of thought to any of your posts.

At least musclemom was attempting to have an actual discussion... I give her a lot of props for that.

Well ok then Big Hommie ima lose sleep over that tonite or NOT. I was only referring to the fact that I am certain that you yourself have some hang ups with women that go way beyond any thing sexual. Although you use sexual gratification as an excuse to justify your $ by $ account of why dolls are bettter than actual women. This my friend is a ploy to convince yourself that your feelings are real and rational, when in fact there is no way that they can be. Every person desires to be wanted by another person, as I am sure that you do. But it seems to me that you have built a wall around yourself based on your assumption that a living breathing women can not give you sexual gratification. I will refrain from flamming on you anymore, that was not cool. I unlike you have a deep desire to protect women, I would rush to the aid of any women in any situation. I have been in knock down drag out brawls over women that I didn't even know. Thats just my nature. And as far as my credibility I am me where ever I go on this board, at home, in the gym, and in the streets. I am here for my fitness goals, only on occassion do I get into these types of conversations. You just seemed like a spooky dude, and just for your info I bet you a million bucks that you could very easily be picked out of a crowd, if you were mixed in wit normal everyday people.

 

[soragesum2]

Certainly, not my cup of tea

And that's the pin of understanding that a discussion could be founded upon. I've never ever stated that the way I think or feel is "right", and if someone doesn't understand or feel the same way that they are "wrong". If anything I ever say even implys that... then I have not stated my premise clearly enough.

All I ever am conveying in anything that I write is, how "I" feel. How someone feels is not right or wrong, it is what it is.. as long as it does no harm to others. The most important question is WHY. The WHY is what drives everything... the "what" is just the means to the why. I have an unquenchable desire to know WHY. Personally... I don't just want to know WHAT my woman's deepest darkest fantasies are.. I need to know WHY. And I need to know why, no less powerfully than you need to breath. There are not words to describe how powerfully I feel this. And if it were a college course, there is no degree high enough that I could possibly be given in my study of WHY something would turn her on or give her pleasure. Which is why Strongbow's question is so out of context it has no meaning. Do I want a 12" dildo crammed up my ass? Of course not, I can stand here right now and say that ain't ever going to happen. However.. to be honest, if I held my woman's soul in my hands.. and I peeled every last shread of insulation off of it that we use to shield ourselves from the world and she stood before me completely naked. Not just her body.. but her soul bared before me in my hands, and I saw somewhere in there... the tiniest shread, maybe something she doesn't even fully understand that something like that just may give her an ounce of pleasure... I can surely tell you that even I do not fully comprehend what I am capable of doing. My soul soars in a realm where there are no limits. No barriors... no fears.

But because I haven't found the woman who is capable of being there with me (or at least one who is available), I at least understand what it is. Or at least I understand right now.. the caveot is that I understand more today than I did 5 years ago, and I know I will understand myself more in 5 years than I do now. If I didn't ever quit learning... then I might as well be dead. But I won't settle for less than what it is I need. Why should I settle for a realationship that isn't what I need? Should I just go through the motions and live life day by day like a ghost in this world, but not really living? Living a lie, meanwhile feeling like being a caged animal that is not free to soar?

I use my doll as sort of a placeholder. She makes me happy while I search... an outlet for my lust. It's not hurting anyone else.. so what's the problem? But then I have to remind myself over and over again that people are just scared of what they don't understand.

And yet I still occasionally try to convey this, only to get attacked again and again and have my neck chopped off by people who probably could not understand a word I'm saying, but indicating this in anyway only re-inforces to them whatever label they have already slapped on me.

But even if it didn't start out on the right foot.. you seem a definate cut above the rest. You seem to have a desire to understand what makes people tick.. I understand that to a very specific degree. I don't really care what makes people "in general" tick. I would only care what makes my woman tick.

 

[nangiggles]

I'll throw my 2 cents in....

If you like pleasuring urself with the doll, that's totally cool and I get it....
If you like to think you actually have a realtionship with the doll then it's still cool but I PERSONALLY don't get it.... I've gone to the movies alone and I've enjoyed it, but I've craved in some parts pf the movie to discuss with the person next to me (I wasn't so strange to talk to a stranger though) so I need the actaul person next to me talking and interacting to have a relationship, but if you don't I respect that, I do have an inquiry... are you looking for a specific real girl to eventually form a relationship or did you just decide to stick with the doll for good?

I don't want to "scare" you off, I'd really like to discuss without getting into a whole long discussion, I'm just curious... would I own a doll? maybe... I don't think so because I really need just one "part" of it haha... and the rest may get in my way

 

[iggy]

sorage, you and strongbow both need to chill out and quit flaming one another.
if that's your cup of tea, it's your cup of tea. we live in a free land (or so we would like to think).

and like i said strongbow, many people have much weirder fetishes than "banging" rubber girls. such as doing animals, cutting people while having sex, drinking blood. you can have a fetish to just about anything.

while his is weird to you, another person might think it's completely normal, just like in sociology.

i object to it because it's not a person. sex seems to be an act of god and this seems to be sacreligous. it's a blessing.

like MM said.

 

[musclemom]

I use my doll as sort of a placeholder. She makes me happy while I search... an outlet for my lust. It's not hurting anyone else.. so what's the problem? But then I have to remind myself over and over again that people are just scared of what they don't understand.

And yet I still occasionally try to convey this, only to get attacked again and again and have my neck chopped off by people who probably could not understand a word I'm saying, but indicating this in anyway only re-inforces to them whatever label they have already slapped on me.

But even if it didn't start out on the right foot.. you seem a definate cut above the rest. You seem to have a desire to understand what makes people tick.. I understand that to a very specific degree. I don't really care what makes people "in general" tick. I would only care what makes my woman tick.

Thank you for being honest and sharing. Yes, I am curious about people in general, the more I understand others, the more I understand myself and my husband likes to say there isn't a single person on this planet you can't learn something from.

And I also understand what you're talking about learning about yourself through ordeal and guiding another to find that truth.

You should check out the rest of the site, if you have any interest in weight training you'll like it here and the Chat and Conversation board can always use an articulate poster. It's a good community, wide variety of people from all walks of life. You just have to expect to run into the occasional pissing contest because it is a bit of a locker room Seems like you're perfectly capable of handling yourself though.

 

[soragesum2]

I'll throw my 2 cents in....

If you like pleasuring urself with the doll, that's totally cool and I get it....
If you like to think you actually have a realtionship with the doll then it's still cool but I PERSONALLY don't get it.... I've gone to the movies alone and I've enjoyed it, but I've craved in some parts pf the movie to discuss with the person next to me (I wasn't so strange to talk to a stranger though) so I need the actaul person next to me talking and interacting to have a relationship, but if you don't I respect that, I do have an inquiry... are you looking for a specific real girl to eventually form a relationship or did you just decide to stick with the doll for good?

I don't want to "scare" you off, I'd really like to discuss without getting into a whole long discussion, I'm just curious... would I own a doll? maybe... I don't think so because I really need just one "part" of it haha... and the rest may get in my way

I think we posted at the same time. If you read my post right before yours, it might answer your question.

As I've stated, it's not a matter of finding a woman or a relationship that is the problem. It's finding the RIGHT one for me.

So yes... I am ultimatly looking for the RIGHT girl.. which analagously will be the one that can pier into the eyes of a demon of lust and not turn away in fear or run and hide, but can stand there and gently wisper into my ears forever "more".

Unfortunatly, she's a very ellusive creature. lol

And about only needing one "part" of a doll.. of course... women arn't as visual as men... that's why just a vibrator is more than enough. lol

 

[Strongbow]

sorage, you and strongbow both need to chill out and quit flaming one another.
if that's your cup of tea, it's your cup of tea. we live in a free land (or so we would like to think).

and like i said strongbow, many people have much weirder fetishes than "banging" rubber girls. such as doing animals, cutting people while having sex, drinking blood. you can have a fetish to just about anything.

while his is weird to you, another person might think it's completely normal, just like in sociology.

i object to it because it's not a person. sex seems to be an act of god and this seems to be sacreligous. it's a blessing.

like MM said.

Hey Iggy I already told dude I was gonna chill out on the flamming him out. That was not cool of me especially when Im trying to understand his whole mind set with all of this. I have already stated that I see nuthin wrong with his doll sex, but it was just the way he put a price tag on the whole sexual experience thing that kinda set me off. Yea we do all pay for it in one way or another guys and gals alike. But damn, and I really hope dude don't go away. Come back and discuss it bro, I ain't gonna apologize, but I will be cool from now on.