Have you seen a Real Doll?

[Metasomatized Ijolite]

Realdoll, The World's finest Love Doll makes sex dolls so realistic that it's freaky. If I ever hit the lotto jackpot and get filthy rich, I'm getting one of those silicon girls. I'm not sure if I could hard for a fake pussy, but I think it would be great to have just for the comic value. It would be awesome if you could get them made to look like your favorite actress or model.

 

[enacer420nj]

that shits creepy bro...reminds me of some silence of the lambs shit

 

[2evil]

Bet "whore house" full of those would go over well in some places. I'm starting the business plan...

 

[Arabian]

lmao how much are they... that would actually work just fine for me.. they cant bitch, whine or spend any money.... lol

 

[Metasomatized Ijolite]

lmao how much are they... that would actually work just fine for me.. they cant bitch, whine or spend any money.... lol

It's a one time payment of $6,500!

There was a guy in Japan that had one of those things and he ended up having to move in with his son. He decided to dispose of it first, so he wrapped it in a sleeping bag with nothing showing except the feet and hair and tossed it into a wooded area. The Japanese CSI investigated it for several hours before the medical examiner arrived to discover that it was a doll! That's some funny stuff.

 

[lander2312]

Do you think people will stare at us when we go out for a fuck and a movie....lol

 

[nangiggles]

Look at this gallery
https://www.lifelounge.com/Real-Dolls.aspx

The one in the afro and the blond one are totally hot almost unbelievable... wouldn't hold it against my guy to use one, I rather he "cheat" with a doll

 

[Metasomatized Ijolite]

I do some photography. That would be nice to have a model any time I wanted!

 

[empirebuilder]

I seen a special on tv once and they were around 5 grand!

 

[iggy]

terrifying. anyone who would consider buying one of these to screw is a wackjob.

 

[soragesum2]

Yes I have seen one... I "see" my doll every day. Among much more physical kinky things.

I have seen some topics in this forum regarding realdolls so I registered just to be able to post here about it.

Seems to be that the attitude about lifelike dolls and owning one is changing. Slowly changing, but changing non-the-less. A couple of years ago, just the mention about these dolls in any non pro-doll forum would typically bring out the doll bashers. Typically starting with a handful of woman saying things along the lines of "What kind of 'looser/creep/pervert' would own something like that". Then would come the endless stream of guys saying things like "yea.. it's the real thing for me or nothing, these guys are lowlifes who can't get a 'real' girl". Followed up by things like "Ladies, at least these loosers have taken themselves out of the gene pool".. and the insults would flow endlessly. I've read them all. LOL.

Of course while I am reading this I am rolling my eyes at both the men AND women who are bashing the dolls.

Personally I am rolling my eyes at the women, because of the overarching stereotyping they are doing. If they only had any clue the wide range of men who own these dolls. Yes.. there are guys who fit the stereotypes. There are the shy, geeky, social awkward type who does have trouble with women as portrayed in films like "Lars and the Real Girl". But they are by far not even the largest percentage of doll owners... because there is no "one type" of doll owner. There are guys who are very much "averaage", in both looks and success. But there are equally guys who are very good looking, and very successful who have a doll and everything in between.

I know for certain that I personally wouldn't fit the sterotypically view of a doll owner, in the eyes of doll bashers. I know doll owners who do fit that mold, but I know just as many, if not more, who don't. You just have to understand that, currently, there is NO reason for that rock star, CEO, famous athlete, succesful doctor/lawyer/business owner etc. to come out into the "open" and show/talk about that they have a doll. Currently, they would have nothing to gain, and everything to loose. So if they talk about it at ALL, like myself, they do it anonmously on the internet. And for every person like myself who, at the very least, does talk about it, there are 100's if not 1000's of doll owners who buy a doll and you never hear a peep out of them EVER.

So I roll my eyes at women who bash doll owners, becaue I know that goodlooking guy at work who's keeps her panties moist day in and day out fantasizing about him... could be a doll owner. That good looking doctor that she goes to every couple of months... could be a doll owner. That built muscular guy working out next to her at the gym that she will be fantasizing about while using her vibrator that night... yep.. he could be a doll owner. Think about this ladies.. a guy who isn't at least somewhat "sucessful"... isn't going to be able to plop down that much money for somethign like this.

And the reasons for owning a doll are even more varied than the owners themselves. Personally for me... it's not that I can't get a woman in the least. I'll admit that I don't have women throwing themselves at me.. I wouldn't even want that. But finding a date now and again isn't the problem. I simply can't find the RIGHT woman. There just arn't too many woman out their that can handle the kind of endless lust and passion that I am packing. Women's romantic literature is DRIPPING with fantasies of a lover who can't keep his hands off her... yet finding a woman who can truely handle such a thing... that's an entirely different beast.


Now as far as the guy doll bashers... I roll my eyes at them, because as us all being men, and especially from us doll owners.. you might as well be saying that you don't ever look at porn or masturbate as to say that you would never fuck one of these lifesized silicon dolls where you given the chance. Which the response is a big old fat eye roll! Yea right.. I KNOW that 99.99% of guys would bang a realdoll like a screen door in a hurricane if they were given the opportunity and didn't think anyone would ever find out. Yea.. there's goign to be that 1 guy out of a thousand that wouldn't.. and I'm not saying that it would end up being every guy's cup of tea.. but damn straight they would do it! You guys all know it, and ladies.. don't kid yourself to think otherwise that your man would in a second! I don't care what he tells you. Again.. he doesn't ever look at porn or masturbate either, does he?

But I'm glad to see there are more and more guys admiting they would do a doll in a second and even admiting that they want one!

And one last thought about the price... that a hooker or strip club is cheaper. I have one thing to say about that.

Realdoll... fuck her once and it cost you $6500. Fuck her twice and it cost you $3750 per time. Fuck her 10 times and it cost you $650 per fuck. Fuck her 100 times and it cost you $65 per fuck. After a few short years when the cost per fuck approaches $1 per fuck.. I'm not their quite yet.. but getting close , it's the best money I ever spent.

Or put another way:
Realdoll: $6500
Lingerie, latex, bondage gear: $Too much to count
Endless kinky sex 3-10 times a day: Priceless!

 

[Strongbow]

Yes I have seen one... I "see" my doll every day. Among much more physical kinky things.

I have seen some topics in this forum regarding realdolls so I registered just to be able to post here about it.

Seems to be that the attitude about lifelike dolls and owning one is changing. Slowly changing, but changing non-the-less. A couple of years ago, just the mention about these dolls in any non pro-doll forum would typically bring out the doll bashers. Typically starting with a handful of woman saying things along the lines of "What kind of 'looser/creep/pervert' would own something like that". Then would come the endless stream of guys saying things like "yea.. it's the real thing for me or nothing, these guys are lowlifes who can't get a 'real' girl". Followed up by things like "Ladies, at least these loosers have taken themselves out of the gene pool".. and the insults would flow endlessly. I've read them all. LOL.

Of course while I am reading this I am rolling my eyes at both the men AND women who are bashing the dolls.

Personally I am rolling my eyes at the women, because of the overarching stereotyping they are doing. If they only had any clue the wide range of men who own these dolls. Yes.. there are guys who fit the stereotypes. There are the shy, geeky, social awkward type who does have trouble with women as portrayed in films like "Lars and the Real Girl". But they are by far not even the largest percentage of doll owners... because there is no "one type" of doll owner. There are guys who are very much "averaage", in both looks and success. But there are equally guys who are very good looking, and very successful who have a doll and everything in between.

I know for certain that I personally wouldn't fit the sterotypically view of a doll owner, in the eyes of doll bashers. I know doll owners who do fit that mold, but I know just as many, if not more, who don't. You just have to understand that, currently, there is NO reason for that rock star, CEO, famous athlete, succesful doctor/lawyer/business owner etc. to come out into the "open" and show/talk about that they have a doll. Currently, they would have nothing to gain, and everything to loose. So if they talk about it at ALL, like myself, they do it anonmously on the internet. And for every person like myself who, at the very least, does talk about it, there are 100's if not 1000's of doll owners who buy a doll and you never hear a peep out of them EVER.

So I roll my eyes at women who bash doll owners, becaue I know that goodlooking guy at work who's keeps her panties moist day in and day out fantasizing about him... could be a doll owner. That good looking doctor that she goes to every couple of months... could be a doll owner. That built muscular guy working out next to her at the gym that she will be fantasizing about while using her vibrator that night... yep.. he could be a doll owner. Think about this ladies.. a guy who isn't at least somewhat "sucessful"... isn't going to be able to plop down that much money for somethign like this.

And the reasons for owning a doll are even more varied than the owners themselves. Personally for me... it's not that I can't get a woman in the least. I'll admit that I don't have women throwing themselves at me.. I wouldn't even want that. But finding a date now and again isn't the problem. I simply can't find the RIGHT woman. There just arn't too many woman out their that can handle the kind of endless lust and passion that I am packing. Women's romantic literature is DRIPPING with fantasies of a lover who can't keep his hands off her... yet finding a woman who can truely handle such a thing... that's an entirely different beast.


Now as far as the guy doll bashers... I roll my eyes at them, because as us all being men, and especially from us doll owners.. you might as well be saying that you don't ever look at porn or masturbate as to say that you would never fuck one of these lifesized silicon dolls where you given the chance. Which the response is a big old fat eye roll! Yea right.. I KNOW that 99.99% of guys would bang a realdoll like a screen door in a hurricane if they were given the opportunity and didn't think anyone would ever find out. Yea.. there's goign to be that 1 guy out of a thousand that wouldn't.. and I'm not saying that it would end up being their cup of tea.. but damn straight they would do it! You guys all know it, and ladies.. don't kid yourself to think otherwise that your man would in a second! I don't care what he tells you. Again.. he doesn't ever look at porn or masturbate either, does he?

But I'm glad to see there are more and more guys admiting they would do a doll in a second and even admiting that they want one!

And one last thought about the price... that a hooker or strip club is cheaper. I have one thing to say about that.

Realdoll... fuck her once and it cost you $6500. Fuck her twice and it cost you $3750 per time. Fuck her 10 times and it cost you $650 per fuck. Fuck her 100 times and it cost you $65 per fuck. After a few short years when the cost per fuck approaches $1 per fuck.. I'm not their quite yet.. but getting close , it's the best money I ever spent.

Or put another way:
Realdoll: $6500
Lingerie, latex, bondage gear: $Too much to count
Endless kinky sex 3-10 times a day: Priceless!

Okay, the fact that you have thought that much about it is whats creepy to me. Issues my man ISSUES. I f you like fucking rubber dolls, you like fucking rubber dolls case closed. You however are a very fucking disturbed individual.

 

[musclemom]

Yes I have seen one... I "see" my doll every day. Among much more physical kinky things.

...

Or put another way:
Realdoll: $6500
Lingerie, latex, bondage gear: $Too much to count
Endless kinky sex 3-10 times a day: Priceless!

My dear sir, thank you for sharing so openly and honestly about yourself.

That being said, on behalf of women across whatever continent you live on, may I say "whew" that you have chosen to remove yourself from the dating pool. Thank you, I mean that most sincerely! Normal chicks have enough problems with average weirdness in our intimate relationships. You clearly have moved the action onto an entirely different playing field and that's a fucking scary place IMO.

 

[soragesum2]

Okay, the fact that you have thought that much about it is whats creepy to me. Issues my man ISSUES. I f you like fucking rubber dolls, you like fucking rubber dolls case closed. You however are a very fucking disturbed individual.

Certainly... I even stated very clearly what my "issues" are.

I don't speak for any other doll owner, but for me the issue is not being able to find a woman who can truely handle endless lust and passion, and me simply not settling for anything less!

You'd be amazed at how many supposed "nmyphomaniacs", within a month, suddenly become "Is all you think about is sex?" Many people can "talk the talk", but few seem to be able to actually "walk the walk".

Again.. my issue is just finding the right woman who can keep up.

As far as being distrubed? Well... one person's kink is another person's vanilla, we're all different my man... we're all different. If that makes me "disturbed" in your book... then so be it.

 

[soragesum2]

My dear sir, thank you for sharing so openly and honestly about yourself.

That being said, on behalf of women across whatever continent you live on, may I say "whew" that you have chosen to remove yourself from the dating pool. Thank you, I mean that most sincerely! Normal chicks have enough problems with average weirdness in our intimate relationships. You clearly have moved the action onto an entirely different playing field and that's a fucking scary place IMO.

/Rolls eyes... Thanks for the laugh... not like I haven't read that one before. I even mentioned that exact same comment in my message as an example of the typical things the average woman comments about doll owners. LOL

And that's perfectly fine with me too... you are most certainly welcome.. a "normal" chick is the last thing I would settle for.

 

[musclemom]

/Rolls eyes... Thanks for the laugh... not like I haven't read that one before. I even mentioned that exact same comment in my message as an example of the typical things the average woman comments about doll owners. LOL

And that's perfectly fine with me too... you are most certainly welcome.. a "normal" chick is the last thing I would settle for.

I'm glad you laughed. And I have no doubt other women have said the same thing, and they've probably also said this: In my eyes, I see a deepseated objectification of women. You even abuse your doll. That's why I was saying that perhaps it's best you don't date flesh and blood women. We have hearts and we like to connect on an emotional level. It comes with the whole nurturing territory.

On another level, speaking as someone who's been in a relationship with the same person for 15 years, there is more to a healthy relationship than sex. As my husband says, good sex is the frosting, but it's not the whole cake. If your overwhelming drive is what prevents you from having a emotionally connected and supportive relationship haven't you thought about perhaps talking to someone to see if maybe you are suffering from a hormonal imbalance (like excessive test.) or perhaps speaking to a mental health professional and seeing if, no offense intended, you are a sex addict?

I just can't imagine being satisfied over the long haul with a piece of silicon, no matter how masterfully crafted. She can't hug you when you get bad news, she can't laugh at your dumb jokes, cook your favorite meals or nurse you when you're sick. An overwhelming desire for non-stop, kinky fucking that prevents you from having a healthy relationship seems so sad and dreadfully empty.

 

[Strongbow]

Certainly... I even stated very clearly what my "issues" are.

I don't speak for any other doll owner, but for me the issue is not being able to find a woman who can truely handle endless lust and passion, and me simply not settling for anything less!

You'd be amazed at how many supposed "nmyphomaniacs", within a month, suddenly become "Is all you think about is sex?" Many people can "talk the talk", but few seem to be able to actually "walk the walk".

Again.. my issue is just finding the right woman who can keep up.

As far as being distrubed? Well... one person's kink is another person's vanilla, we're all different my man... we're all different. If that makes me "disturbed" in your book... then so be it.

Dude I was not even talking about the doll issue, if you like dolls, hey you like dolls. Not a problem. Some dudes like having another dude stick his wick up their ass, what ever floats your boat. I guess Im just Vanillia as you put it. But to sit down and put enough thought into something as to have come up with the price of rubber doll pussy versus the real deal is kinda way the fuck out there. Almost like your trying to convince yourself that its ok and actually more economical. The older I get the more I realize that sex is great, but it aint shit without the companionship that goes with it. No rubber hole is going to give you that. If you are truley trying to rationalize this on the basis of bang for your buck, mite I suggest just beating it off. A lil KY and your on your way. After all your whole rational is that its all just a means to an end, so why spend the money on a doll. But hey thats just my 2, happy humping and tell your doll Strongbow says Whats up.

 

[Strongbow]

I'm glad you laughed. And I have no doubt other women have said the same thing, and they've probably also said this: In my eyes, I see a deepseated objectification of women. You even abuse your doll. That's why I was saying that perhaps it's best you don't date flesh and blood women. We have hearts and we like to connect on an emotional level. It comes with the whole nurturing territory.

On another level, speaking as someone who's been in a relationship with the same person for 15 years, there is more to a healthy relationship than sex. As my husband says, good sex is the frosting, but it's not the whole cake. If your overwhelming drive is what prevents you from having a emotionally connected and supportive relationship haven't you thought about perhaps talking to someone to see if maybe you are suffering from a hormonal imbalance (like excessive test.) or perhaps speaking to a mental health professional and seeing if, no offense intended, you are a sex addict?

I just can't imagine being satisfied over the long haul with a piece of silicon, no matter how masterfully crafted. She can't hug you when you get bad news, she can't laugh at your dumb jokes, cook your favorite meals or nurse you when you're sick. An overwhelming desire for non-stop, kinky fucking that prevents you from having a healthy relationship seems so sad and dreadfully empty.

Muscle MOm Rulez and she's HAwt ass Hell to.

 

[soragesum2]

You even abuse your doll. That's why I was saying that perhaps it's best you don't date flesh and blood women. We have hearts and we like to connect on an emotional level. It comes with the whole nurturing territory.

On another level, speaking as someone who's been in a relationship with the same person for 15 years, there is more to a healthy relationship than sex. As my husband says, good sex is the frosting, but it's not the whole cake. If your overwhelming drive is what prevents you from having a emotionally connected and supportive relationship haven't you thought about perhaps talking to someone to see if maybe you are suffering from a hormonal imbalance (like excessive test.) or perhaps speaking to a mental health professional and seeing if, no offense intended, you are a sex addict?

Hmm... not sure how you are are making ANY of these conclusions. You know nothing about me except that I have a very high sex drive and that I own a doll.. but then you state false dichotomy out of that, that I "abuse" my doll, and imply that I don't know anything about how to connect on an emotional level.

You then go on to make an argument from personal incredulity that because YOU don't understand something that there must be something "wrong" with me... that I have a hormonal imbalance or am a sex addict.

Quite the contrary... If I am addicted to anything.. it's not sex, it would be intimacy. But "addiction" carries with it the connotation of a "problem". Something is only a "problem", if it impares your ability to function on a day to day basis. I "function" just fine, thank you very much, and if I worked right next to you day in and day out.. you would never have a "clue" that it's me typing this right now.

Most men seperate their love and their lust. Women today more or less force men to do this because they can't really handle most men's lust (a hypothosis that is re-inforced again and again on a daily basis). So most men in our world are forced to bury, ignore, hold back, cover up, and hide their lust. My love and lust are one, and I can't seperate them. I can't love whom doesn't thrist for my lust and I can't lust for whom I don't love. Too often in this world it seems you can only have one or the other... but I need both. And I will love the woman who understands this beyond comparison. The woman who is willing to see how deep the rabbit hole goes. With no fear... only passionate anticipation. I won't settle for less.. which in your eyes seems to mean I have a "problem". A problem because I understand almost perfectly what it is I need and would rather die searching for it than to live a life trying to fit a square peg into a round hole?

This man that you have been with for 15 years... do you even know what his absolute deepest darkest fantasy is? Do you... really? Are you sure? Are you ABSOLUTLY sure? Before you answer so quick... realize that a man's deepest darkest fantasy is something that he probably has never spoken or written out loud EVER. His brother doesn't know... his best friends don't know.. and I wouldn't doubt, that YOU don't really know either. Realize that he probably has buried and hidden and held it back for so long that HE might not even be fully aware of what it is. Also realize that if you push him on it (or have asked him about it) that he will probably give you a "false" deep dark fantasy... something that he thinks you can handle.. or he will give you a greatly watered down version of the real thing. I could be wrong... but the odds are in my favor.

From my standpoint... I simply won't settle for a woman who doesn't need anything LESS than knowing every single last detail of every last deepest darkest fantasy that I have ever had.. and needs to know them like she needs to breath... and would do everything that doesn't break the laws of physics to make them real. This speaks to a level of intimacy, trust, passion and love that very few people comprehend.

This may sound like I demand a lot... and I do. But I never demand anything that I am not willing to give back 10,000 times over. If I overwhelmed the entire internet with text trying to describe the deep capacity for love and intimacy that I am capable of.. it would still only be the tip of the iceburg, and I would wager that you still wouldn't see anythign other than what you already do... if anything your false dicotomies are probably just more intrenched now.

I do realize it's not even worth trying to describe. I've found out long ago that what burns inside me is something someone is hardwired for, or they're not. If you are not, then it's like staring at one of those "magic eyes" images.. nothing I, or anyone, can say would ever enable you to actually be able to focus on and SEE the image, let alone ever be able to FEEL it.

So what I am saying isn't really for you to understand... it's simply a beacon set here that maybe every once in a blue moon someone will stumble by that will.

 

[Strongbow]

Hmm... not sure how you are are making ANY of these conclusions. You know nothing about me except that I have a very high sex drive and that I own a doll.. but then you state false dichotomy out of that, that I "abuse" my doll, and imply that I don't know anything about how to connect on an emotional level.

You then go on to make an argument from personal incredulity that because YOU don't understand something that there must be something "wrong" with me... that I have a hormonal imbalance or am a sex addict.

Quite the contrary... If I am addicted to anything.. it's not sex, it would be intimacy. But "addiction" carries with it the connotation of a "problem". Something is only a "problem", if it impares your ability to function on a day to day basis. I "function" just fine, thank you very much, and if I worked right next to you day in and day out.. you would never have a "clue" that it's me typing this right now.

Most men seperate their love and their lust. Women today more or less force men to do this because they can't really handle most men's lust (a hypothosis that is re-inforced again and again on a daily basis). So most men in our world are forced to bury, ignore, hold back, cover up, and hide their lust. My love and lust are one, and I can't seperate them. I can't love whom doesn't thrist for my lust and I can't lust for whom I don't love. Too often in this world it seems you can only have one or the other... but I need both. And I will love the woman who understands this beyond comparison. The woman who is willing to see how deep the rabbit hole goes. With no fear... only passionate anticipation. I won't settle for less.. which in your eyes seems to mean I have a "problem". A problem because I understand almost perfectly what it is I need and would rather die searching for it than to live a life trying to fit a square peg into a round hole?

This man that you have been with for 15 years... do you even know what his absolute deepest darkest fantasy is? Do you... really? Are you sure? Are you ABSOLUTLY sure? Before you answer so quick... realize that a man's deepest darkest fantasy is something that he probably has never spoken or written out loud EVER. His brother doesn't know... his best friends don't know.. and I wouldn't doubt, that YOU don't really know either. Realize that he probably has buried and hidden and held it back for so long that HE might not even be fully aware of what it is. Also realize that if you push him on it (or have asked him about it) that he will probably give you a "false" deep dark fantasy... something that he thinks you can handle.. or he will give you a greatly watered down version of the real thing. I could be wrong... but the odds are in my favor.

From my standpoint... I simply won't settle for a woman who doesn't need anything LESS than knowing every single last detail of every last deepest darkest fantasy that I have ever had.. and needs to know them like she needs to breath... and would do everything that doesn't break the laws of physics to make them real. This speaks to a level of intimacy, trust, passion and love that very few people comprehend.

This may sound like I demand a lot... and I do. But I never demand anything that I am not willing to give back 10,000 times over. If I overwhelmed the entire internet with text trying to describe the deep capacity for love and intimacy that I am capable of.. it would still only be the tip of the iceburg, and I would wager that you still wouldn't see anythign other than what you already do... if anything your false dicotomies are probably just more intrenched now.

I do realize it's not even worth trying to describe. I've found out long ago that what burns inside me is something someone is hardwired for, or they're not. If you are not, then it's like staring at one of those "magic eyes" images.. nothing I, or anyone, can say would ever enable you to actually be able to focus on and SEE the image, let alone ever be able to FEEL it.

So what I am saying isn't really for you to understand... it's simply a beacon set here that maybe every once in a blue moon someone will stumble by that will.

So say your women's deepest darkest fantasy is to run 12 inches of her srap on cawck up your ass, are you down for that?

 

[musclemom]

Hmm... not sure how you are are making ANY of these conclusions. You know nothing about me except that I have a very high sex drive and that I own a doll.. but then you state false dichotomy out of that, that I "abuse" my doll, and imply that I don't know anything about how to connect on an emotional level.

You've spent a very long time crafting a very carefully constructed argument to justify yourself to a total stranger on the Internet. Unfortunately, I've run nearly as long as you, mainly because I'm procrastinating about getting to work.

You are like every other addict or any other person I've ever encountered who lives a deviant lifestyle (and please look up the definition of deviant, I'm using it in the classical sense as deviated from the norm). Everyone else is wrong, you're right and you will defend yourself to the last breath, arguing in endless circles, to prove that point. I will address a few specific points of this novel of a post you wrote:

The comment regarding "abuse of the doll" stems directly from your original post where you made several references to kinky and stated you have latex and bondage gear. I consider those things abuse as they fall under the realm of S&M. (The idea that pleasure = pain is for someone who grew up with too many contradictions in their life. I had no contradictions so for me pain hurts, pleasure feels great, end of story).

As for my husband's deepest, darkest fantasies, yes, I can honestly say what those are. But as you stated, I can't possibly understand what you demand of a relationship, by the same token, neither can you understand what we require of ours. Our relationship is literally sacred to us. There are no unopened doors, no secrets, no fears, no need of lying or manipulation that exists within so many relationships. We entered into our relationship having taken, literally, every physical, mental, psychological and emotional skeleton out of our respective closets and showing them to each other in the hopes of driving each other away. We don't need or desire the type of sexual relationship you're driven toward, because it's, frankly, boring and empty. You're driven to immediate sexual gratification on a physical level and you need to keep amping up the intensity of that physicality. When I make love with my husband our connection goes much further, deeper and broader than the mere physical act. We crawl into each other's skins and heads, so to speak. We each experience what the other is feeling. Until you've made love in a sacred relationship you can't understand it. You can't equate what my husband and I share to what you do to a piece of silicon, there is ZERO comparison. They don't even fall into similar categories. It's not comparing apples to oranges, it's comparing a symphony to concrete.

As for the addiction to intimacy comment, you've confused intimacy with orgasm.

Regarding your comment about men and their lust, you've got Strongbow right there saying the same thing I am. I'd like to add to his one comment about masturbation, at least when you masturbate you're having sex with someone (ideally) you love.

Finally, just because you're a sexual thrill seeker who thinks getting kinkier or "going to the bottom of the rabbit hole" is the penultimate sex and that's the only kind of woman you can be with, if you really believed that, there are PLENTY of ways to find women like that via the internet or in actual clubs. Women like that exist, you just don't want to really find one, because ultimately, you don't want to be with a real woman. If her drive was as "insatiable" (and kinky) as your own, you'd probably grow to despise her and yourself for having anything to do with her. You'd get bored with her. Sooner or later you'd have to hold a conversation and where would you be? Forced to face true intimacy and then you'd be in that place you really don't want to be in, forced to examine who you are and why you do what you do, why you want what you want.

So you tell yourself that there is no woman out there that could possibly match your drive and impulses, you tell yourself that any man if he truly opened himself up to who he was would be every bit as dark and deviated as you, and you tell yourself that you're healthy, your impulses are normal, just excessive, and you're totally open and utterly honest with yourself. I'm telling you it's a facade, as artificial as the woman you go home to at night.

True intimacy is having the courage to look someone you respect in the eye and face their judgement and they look right back and you and say "That doesn't change how much I love you."

You have found your niche and you are comfortable there. Good for you. I'm glad there are outlets and manufacturers who can fulfil your needs and desires. But desiring to remain in that niche, not trying to push beyond those boundaries and completely dismissing any question that maybe what you expect out of a relationship is unreasonable, right there tells me volumes.

BTW, just throwing this out there, I knew a young man who was married to a nympho when he was 21. After four months he was sick to death of having sex with her. He loved her dearly but got to the point where he was avoiding her. So even for young men, supposedly in their sexual prime, having sex 3x daily/365 gets to be a fucking bore. Wanting so much sex that any partner is annoyed with you is not normal and telling yourself it is normal is self-delusion.

That being said, I have to say (considering I collect abnormal human psychology as a hobby), you are intriguing. We have a guy who likes to shit on women's chests on this board, too. However, he, at least, has a sense of humor about his perversion.

 

[iggy]

lol at the wulfgar statement.

MM, you tackled that very well.

 

[Strongbow]

You've spent a very long time crafting a very carefully constructed argument to justify yourself to a total stranger on the Internet. Unfortunately, I've run nearly as long as you, mainly because I'm procrastinating about getting to work.

You are like every other addict or any other person I've ever encountered who lives a deviant lifestyle (and please look up the definition of deviant, I'm using it in the classical sense as deviated from the norm). Everyone else is wrong, you're right and you will defend yourself to the last breath, arguing in endless circles, to prove that point. I will address a few specific points of this novel of a post you wrote:

The comment regarding "abuse of the doll" stems directly from your original post where you made several references to kinky and stated you have latex and bondage gear. I consider those things abuse as they fall under the realm of S&M. (The idea that pleasure = pain is for someone who grew up with too many contradictions in their life. I had no contradictions so for me pain hurts, pleasure feels great, end of story).

As for my husband's deepest, darkest fantasies, yes, I can honestly say what those are. But as you stated, I can't possibly understand what you demand of a relationship, by the same token, neither can you understand what we require of ours. Our relationship is literally sacred to us. There are no unopened doors, no secrets, no fears, no need of lying or manipulation that exists within so many relationships. We entered into our relationship having taken, literally, every physical, mental, psychological and emotional skeleton out of our respective closets and showing them to each other in the hopes of driving each other away. We don't need or desire the type of sexual relationship you're driven toward, because it's, frankly, boring and empty. You're driven to immediate sexual gratification on a physical level and you need to keep amping up the intensity of that physicality. When I make love with my husband our connection goes much further, deeper and broader than the mere physical act. We crawl into each other's skins and heads, so to speak. We each experience what the other is feeling. Until you've made love in a sacred relationship you can't understand it. You can't equate what my husband and I share to what you do to a piece of silicon, there is ZERO comparison. They don't even fall into similar categories. It's not comparing apples to oranges, it's comparing a symphony to concrete.

As for the addiction to intimacy comment, you've confused intimacy with orgasm.

Regarding your comment about men and their lust, you've got Strongbow right there saying the same thing I am. I'd like to add to his one comment about masturbation, at least when you masturbate you're having sex with someone (ideally) you love.

Finally, just because you're a sexual thrill seeker who thinks getting kinkier or "going to the bottom of the rabbit hole" is the penultimate sex and that's the only kind of woman you can be with, if you really believed that, there are PLENTY of ways to find women like that via the internet or in actual clubs. Women like that exist, you just don't want to really find one, because ultimately, you don't want to be with a real woman. If her drive was as "insatiable" (and kinky) as your own, you'd probably grow to despise her and yourself for having anything to do with her. You'd get bored with her. Sooner or later you'd have to hold a conversation and where would you be? Forced to face true intimacy and then you'd be in that place you really don't want to be in, forced to examine who you are and why you do what you do, why you want what you want.

So you tell yourself that there is no woman out there that could possibly match your drive and impulses, you tell yourself that any man if he truly opened himself up to who he was would be every bit as dark and deviated as you, and you tell yourself that you're healthy, your impulses are normal, just excessive, and you're totally open and utterly honest with yourself. I'm telling you it's a facade, as artificial as the woman you go home to at night.

True intimacy is having the courage to look someone you respect in the eye and face their judgement and they look right back and you and say "That doesn't change how much I love you."

You have found your niche and you are comfortable there. Good for you. I'm glad there are outlets and manufacturers who can fulfil your needs and desires. But desiring to remain in that niche, not trying to push beyond those boundaries and completely dismissing any question that maybe what you expect out of a relationship is unreasonable, right there tells me volumes.

BTW, just throwing this out there, I knew a young man who was married to a nympho when he was 21. After four months he was sick to death of having sex with her. He loved her dearly but got to the point where he was avoiding her. So even for young men, supposedly in their sexual prime, having sex 3x daily/365 gets to be a fucking bore. Wanting so much sex that any partner is annoyed with you is not normal and telling yourself it is normal is self-delusion.

That being said, I have to say (considering I collect abnormal human psychology as a hobby), you are intriguing. We have a guy who likes to shit on women's chests on this board, too. However, he, at least, has a sense of humor about his perversion.

Musclemom you should hook this guy up with the shitter dude, they could tagteam his doll. Take turns beating her ass and shitting on her chest. That sounds like this whack jobs idea a kick ass weekend. I do not beleive that he has gotten himself totally convinced of his own views. Dudes like this are looking for somebody, anybody to side with them, so I hope noone will add any fuel to this guys fire. My deal is not with his doll fetish, it is with his view that somehow that is an economical and emotional substitue for a real realtionship. Just when you think you have problems, somebody like this pops up and shows you how totally normal and sane you are.

 

[iggy]

nah, the dude who shits on girls is cool as fuck. you would like him.
wulgar. send him a pm.

 

[musclemom]

My deal is not with his doll fetish, it is with his view that somehow that is an economical and emotional substitue for a real realtionship.

Stated more eloquently and with much less verbage than my ramblings.

The doll is the Ferrari's of Fleshlights. Dildos, whether for women or men, are fine as a temporary solution and can add a little variety in self love, but I am at a loss as to how it can be perceived as an acceptable substitute for true intimacy.

 

[musclemom]

nah, the dude who shits on girls is cool as fuck. you would like him.
wulgar. send him a pm.

Wulfgar's good bro material, he's been gracious enough to let me pick his brain on a few occasions even if it did make him uncomfortable.

 

[Strongbow]

nah, the dude who shits on girls is cool as fuck. you would like him.
wulgar. send him a pm.

Oh i have shit on plenty of girls, but not in the physical sense of actually dropping a hot steaming turd on one. Diffrent strokes for diffrent folks I know, I thought you was talking about another whack job like this Bozo. I have seen Wulfgar post top notch bro from waht I have seen. But this guy is one of those Silence of the Lambs type mutha fuckers, waiting to rape and pilage small children and house pets and shit. We won't know it but I bet this fucker will be on the news one day in handcuffs. Just Saying.

 

[soragesum2]

That being said, I have to say (considering I collect abnormal human psychology as a hobby), you are intriguing. .

Well.. I could point out all the logical fallacies I see in your post.. but why bother?

Even if it couldn't be farther from the truth, you've got me all tied up in a nice little package that makes sence to you... let's call it a day.

 

[Strongbow]

Well.. I could point out all the logical fallacies I see in your post.. but why bother?

Even if it couldn't be farther from the truth, you've got me all tied up in a nice little package that makes sence to you... let's call it a day.

I got two words to wrap you up in a nut shell CLOSET FAGGOT. Just come out man shit its all rite. We aint scared of or in anyway look down on gay people. Its pervs that catch all the hell and you sir are a a complete perv, not in the sense of you like to stick your finger up a girls ass while your doing her, hell I like that. Your sickness runs way deep, like your mom run off with the milk man and now every women is worthless and unsatisfying to you. Get a grip Hommie.

 

[musclemom]

Well.. I could point out all the logical fallacies I see in your post.. but why bother?

Even if it couldn't be farther from the truth, you've got me all tied up in a nice little package that makes sence to you... let's call it a day.

You have an interesting user name. It's unusual enough that I doubt if there are lots of others like it out there (unlike my own, I've tried to get this name on other weight training boards and other ladies have beaten me to it).

Funny thing about unusual user names, it's always interesting to see what pops up when you Google them

 

[soragesum2]

Strongbow...

I was actually going to answer one of your earlier questions, but unlike most internet discussions that eventually degrade into a series of ad-hominem attacks after a while, you on the other hand immediatly start with ad-hominem attacks. As a matter of fact, you may have broken some kind of record.

Then seeing your continous stream of ad-hominem attacks one after the other with your stream of alpha-male-chest-beating BS, makes me see that I personally will be incredulous if you have even one ounce of credibility on this site. If you do, it certainly doesn't speak well for this forum at all.

And is certainly why I don't give another ounce of thought to any of your posts.

At least musclemom was attempting to have an actual discussion... I give her a lot of props for that.

 

[soragesum2]

You have an interesting user name. It's unusual enough that I doubt if there are lots of others like it out there (unlike my own, I've tried to get this name on other weight training boards and other ladies have beaten me to it).

Funny thing about unusual user names, it's always interesting to see what pops up when you Google them

Ha ha...Watch out Alice... do you really want to know how deep the rabbit hole goes? LOL

Oh... and you would NEVER in a million years guess what my screen name means. It's pretty deep.

 

[musclemom]

Ha ha...Watch out Alice... do you really want to know how deep the rabbit hole goes? LOL

Oh... and you would NEVER in a million years guess what my screen name means. It's pretty deep.

Probably not, that was why I Googled it, I got curious, I couldn't even figure out how to pronounce it. Then I learned a little bit more about you by reading your posts (and they were your posts, or you're imitating that person, they have your writing style and even some of your phraseology) on the Extreme BDSM Board. Frankly, I don't understand the Master/Sub relationship, and I realize there is no explaining it to someone outside the culture. Much like jazz or oysters, you either "get it" or you don't. But seeing that was where you're coming from also explained a few things in terms of why you would find some degree of satisfaction in the "relationship" you currently have and also why you don't feel the vast majority of people could understand the type of relationship you desire and what you're talking about when you reference a high degree of intimacy, an addiction to that intimacy. I sort of get that. The kind of intimacy and trust required in an extreme master/slave relationship is something that is "beyond" people outside of that community. Hell, that shit's scary. Certainly, not my cup of tea but as long as everyone is a consenting adult, and there is a safety net, as the Charge of the Goddess says "all acts of love and pleasure are My rituals." You need a partner for what you desire and the eventual partner you may find will need someone to fulfill her needs so that is a symbiotic relationship. Certainly you'd probably treat your slave with more "respect" than a husband who abuses his wife. They have a symbiotic relationship too, but nobody knows the rules and they have no safe word.

Now, do I still think that maybe trying to figure out where those drives stemmed from, on the part of both parties, is a worthy pursuit? Since I believe knowledge of self is one of the greatest pursuits, then yes. I don't think there is a single person on this planet that couldn't benefit from some form of introspection or therapy.

Relationship wise, I don't think the need to feel you have absolute control, or the need to utterly relinquish all control, results in a truly balanced, harmonious and dynamic long term relationship. Workable, yes. Loving, in a way I don't quite understand but certainly, yes. However, spiritually doomed to stagnation because you become bound into roles that you can't grow beyond and if one does somehow grow beyond the role, the relationship can't support it.

Maybe if the relationship is intense enough, the trust is there, and there is open communication the two parties can work through whatever demons they carry and in the end come out of it on the other side to the point where the latex and leather and gags and ropes become superfluous. Perhaps that's another exit in the rabbit hole you make reference to, as well.

 

[Strongbow]

Strongbow...

I was actually going to answer one of your earlier questions, but unlike most internet discussions that eventually degrade into a series of ad-hominem attacks after a while, you on the other hand immediatly start with ad-hominem attacks. As a matter of fact, you may have broken some kind of record.

Then seeing your continous stream of ad-hominem attacks one after the other with your stream of alpha-male-chest-beating BS, makes me see that I personally will be incredulous if you have even one ounce of credibility on this site. If you do, it certainly doesn't speak well for this forum at all.

And is certainly why I don't give another ounce of thought to any of your posts.

At least musclemom was attempting to have an actual discussion... I give her a lot of props for that.

Well ok then Big Hommie ima lose sleep over that tonite or NOT. I was only referring to the fact that I am certain that you yourself have some hang ups with women that go way beyond any thing sexual. Although you use sexual gratification as an excuse to justify your $ by $ account of why dolls are bettter than actual women. This my friend is a ploy to convince yourself that your feelings are real and rational, when in fact there is no way that they can be. Every person desires to be wanted by another person, as I am sure that you do. But it seems to me that you have built a wall around yourself based on your assumption that a living breathing women can not give you sexual gratification. I will refrain from flamming on you anymore, that was not cool. I unlike you have a deep desire to protect women, I would rush to the aid of any women in any situation. I have been in knock down drag out brawls over women that I didn't even know. Thats just my nature. And as far as my credibility I am me where ever I go on this board, at home, in the gym, and in the streets. I am here for my fitness goals, only on occassion do I get into these types of conversations. You just seemed like a spooky dude, and just for your info I bet you a million bucks that you could very easily be picked out of a crowd, if you were mixed in wit normal everyday people.

 

[soragesum2]

Certainly, not my cup of tea

And that's the pin of understanding that a discussion could be founded upon. I've never ever stated that the way I think or feel is "right", and if someone doesn't understand or feel the same way that they are "wrong". If anything I ever say even implys that... then I have not stated my premise clearly enough.

All I ever am conveying in anything that I write is, how "I" feel. How someone feels is not right or wrong, it is what it is.. as long as it does no harm to others. The most important question is WHY. The WHY is what drives everything... the "what" is just the means to the why. I have an unquenchable desire to know WHY. Personally... I don't just want to know WHAT my woman's deepest darkest fantasies are.. I need to know WHY. And I need to know why, no less powerfully than you need to breath. There are not words to describe how powerfully I feel this. And if it were a college course, there is no degree high enough that I could possibly be given in my study of WHY something would turn her on or give her pleasure. Which is why Strongbow's question is so out of context it has no meaning. Do I want a 12" dildo crammed up my ass? Of course not, I can stand here right now and say that ain't ever going to happen. However.. to be honest, if I held my woman's soul in my hands.. and I peeled every last shread of insulation off of it that we use to shield ourselves from the world and she stood before me completely naked. Not just her body.. but her soul bared before me in my hands, and I saw somewhere in there... the tiniest shread, maybe something she doesn't even fully understand that something like that just may give her an ounce of pleasure... I can surely tell you that even I do not fully comprehend what I am capable of doing. My soul soars in a realm where there are no limits. No barriors... no fears.

But because I haven't found the woman who is capable of being there with me (or at least one who is available), I at least understand what it is. Or at least I understand right now.. the caveot is that I understand more today than I did 5 years ago, and I know I will understand myself more in 5 years than I do now. If I didn't ever quit learning... then I might as well be dead. But I won't settle for less than what it is I need. Why should I settle for a realationship that isn't what I need? Should I just go through the motions and live life day by day like a ghost in this world, but not really living? Living a lie, meanwhile feeling like being a caged animal that is not free to soar?

I use my doll as sort of a placeholder. She makes me happy while I search... an outlet for my lust. It's not hurting anyone else.. so what's the problem? But then I have to remind myself over and over again that people are just scared of what they don't understand.

And yet I still occasionally try to convey this, only to get attacked again and again and have my neck chopped off by people who probably could not understand a word I'm saying, but indicating this in anyway only re-inforces to them whatever label they have already slapped on me.

But even if it didn't start out on the right foot.. you seem a definate cut above the rest. You seem to have a desire to understand what makes people tick.. I understand that to a very specific degree. I don't really care what makes people "in general" tick. I would only care what makes my woman tick.

 

[nangiggles]

I'll throw my 2 cents in....

If you like pleasuring urself with the doll, that's totally cool and I get it....
If you like to think you actually have a realtionship with the doll then it's still cool but I PERSONALLY don't get it.... I've gone to the movies alone and I've enjoyed it, but I've craved in some parts pf the movie to discuss with the person next to me (I wasn't so strange to talk to a stranger though) so I need the actaul person next to me talking and interacting to have a relationship, but if you don't I respect that, I do have an inquiry... are you looking for a specific real girl to eventually form a relationship or did you just decide to stick with the doll for good?

I don't want to "scare" you off, I'd really like to discuss without getting into a whole long discussion, I'm just curious... would I own a doll? maybe... I don't think so because I really need just one "part" of it haha... and the rest may get in my way

 

[iggy]

sorage, you and strongbow both need to chill out and quit flaming one another.
if that's your cup of tea, it's your cup of tea. we live in a free land (or so we would like to think).

and like i said strongbow, many people have much weirder fetishes than "banging" rubber girls. such as doing animals, cutting people while having sex, drinking blood. you can have a fetish to just about anything.

while his is weird to you, another person might think it's completely normal, just like in sociology.

i object to it because it's not a person. sex seems to be an act of god and this seems to be sacreligous. it's a blessing.

like MM said.

 

[musclemom]

I use my doll as sort of a placeholder. She makes me happy while I search... an outlet for my lust. It's not hurting anyone else.. so what's the problem? But then I have to remind myself over and over again that people are just scared of what they don't understand.

And yet I still occasionally try to convey this, only to get attacked again and again and have my neck chopped off by people who probably could not understand a word I'm saying, but indicating this in anyway only re-inforces to them whatever label they have already slapped on me.

But even if it didn't start out on the right foot.. you seem a definate cut above the rest. You seem to have a desire to understand what makes people tick.. I understand that to a very specific degree. I don't really care what makes people "in general" tick. I would only care what makes my woman tick.

Thank you for being honest and sharing. Yes, I am curious about people in general, the more I understand others, the more I understand myself and my husband likes to say there isn't a single person on this planet you can't learn something from.

And I also understand what you're talking about learning about yourself through ordeal and guiding another to find that truth.

You should check out the rest of the site, if you have any interest in weight training you'll like it here and the Chat and Conversation board can always use an articulate poster. It's a good community, wide variety of people from all walks of life. You just have to expect to run into the occasional pissing contest because it is a bit of a locker room Seems like you're perfectly capable of handling yourself though.

 

[soragesum2]

I'll throw my 2 cents in....

If you like pleasuring urself with the doll, that's totally cool and I get it....
If you like to think you actually have a realtionship with the doll then it's still cool but I PERSONALLY don't get it.... I've gone to the movies alone and I've enjoyed it, but I've craved in some parts pf the movie to discuss with the person next to me (I wasn't so strange to talk to a stranger though) so I need the actaul person next to me talking and interacting to have a relationship, but if you don't I respect that, I do have an inquiry... are you looking for a specific real girl to eventually form a relationship or did you just decide to stick with the doll for good?

I don't want to "scare" you off, I'd really like to discuss without getting into a whole long discussion, I'm just curious... would I own a doll? maybe... I don't think so because I really need just one "part" of it haha... and the rest may get in my way

I think we posted at the same time. If you read my post right before yours, it might answer your question.

As I've stated, it's not a matter of finding a woman or a relationship that is the problem. It's finding the RIGHT one for me.

So yes... I am ultimatly looking for the RIGHT girl.. which analagously will be the one that can pier into the eyes of a demon of lust and not turn away in fear or run and hide, but can stand there and gently wisper into my ears forever "more".

Unfortunatly, she's a very ellusive creature. lol

And about only needing one "part" of a doll.. of course... women arn't as visual as men... that's why just a vibrator is more than enough. lol

 

[Strongbow]

sorage, you and strongbow both need to chill out and quit flaming one another.
if that's your cup of tea, it's your cup of tea. we live in a free land (or so we would like to think).

and like i said strongbow, many people have much weirder fetishes than "banging" rubber girls. such as doing animals, cutting people while having sex, drinking blood. you can have a fetish to just about anything.

while his is weird to you, another person might think it's completely normal, just like in sociology.

i object to it because it's not a person. sex seems to be an act of god and this seems to be sacreligous. it's a blessing.

like MM said.

Hey Iggy I already told dude I was gonna chill out on the flamming him out. That was not cool of me especially when Im trying to understand his whole mind set with all of this. I have already stated that I see nuthin wrong with his doll sex, but it was just the way he put a price tag on the whole sexual experience thing that kinda set me off. Yea we do all pay for it in one way or another guys and gals alike. But damn, and I really hope dude don't go away. Come back and discuss it bro, I ain't gonna apologize, but I will be cool from now on.

 

[musclemom]

I'm just curious... would I own a doll? maybe... I don't think so because I really need just one "part" of it haha... and the rest may get in my way

And that's why the the Good Lord inspired someone to invent the Sybian:
http://www.sybian.com/index.html?set=yes

 

[Strongbow]

And that's why the the Good Lord inspired someone to invent the Sybian:
http://www.sybian.com/index.html?set=yes

Now how did you know about that website? LOL

 

[musclemom]

Now how did you know about that website? LOL

I'm good at Googling

Actually, I don't think I'd even heard of the Sybian until Howard Stern started using one on his show. Modern technology at its finest and made in the USA to boot!

 

[Strongbow]

I'm good at Googling

Actually, I don't think I'd even heard of the Sybian until Howard Stern started using one on his show. Modern technology at its finest and made in the USA to boot!

LOL OK then only one reason to Google such a thing. I actually think toys are cool to use personally, for women of course, never seen a man toy that didn't make me laugh. How did you get so smart, I read your posts and Im like Damn. Im just a simple minded barbarian as I have stated before. Do you teach college classes or sumthin?

 

[soragesum2]

And that's why the the Good Lord inspired someone to invent the Sybian:
http://www.sybian.com/index.html?set=yes

Amusing that you should bring that up. I have one of those. It's never been used, but from the first time I ever saw one I knew I would have to have one and eventually ordered one. It's just one of those million fantasies floating around in my head about straping my woman to it and testing limits... so to speak. :wink:

Hey... just because I haven't found the right woman doesn't mean I'm not prepairing for the day I might. :wink:

If not.. I will just sell it on ebay someday.. give someone else the chance to actually use it.

 

[iggy]

only "man toy" ive ever actually seen was a blow up doll we bought my buddy when he turned 13

 

[Strongbow]

only "man toy" ive ever actually seen was a blow up doll we bought my buddy when he turned 13

Yea that a some dude I use to know carried around his "Pocket Pussy" in the back set of his truck. Fucking most disgusting looking thing in the world. His had dirt and grease and shit all over, dude was a freaking total tool.

 

[iggy]

hahahahaa

 

[musclemom]

LOL OK then only one reason to Google such a thing. I actually think toys are cool to use personally, for women of course, never seen a man toy that didn't make me laugh. How did you get so smart, I read your posts and Im like Damn. Im just a simple minded barbarian as I have stated before. Do you teach college classes or sumthin?

Well, Fleshlights look reasonably macho, kind of like a flashlight on 'roids.

You're so sweet, Strongbow, I'm not very smart, I type a lot because I do it for a living, which gives me a little more free time than the average employee (and a smaller paycheck) and since I'm curious about a lot of things, I read a little bit about a lot of subjects and I remember the damndest trivia. People and what makes their minds tick fascinate me the most, our lives on this material plane and how that relates to our spiritual selves coming a close second, virtually tying in fact. Other than the fact I'm a practicing pagan I'm pretty vanilla, sort of a stay at home wifey type. I have, however, always been fascinated with sex and death, the psychology that goes on, the biology that goes on, whether it's within the context of "normalcy" or not

 

[iggy]

i bet you dig the pink floyd album "dark side of the moon" then MM.
tell me what you think of this song.

it's about death. after one of my best friends who turned 21 died i listened to it.
t'was one of his favorites.
he never believed in a god.
this has much emotion in it.

 

[iggy]

and for the superstitious

 

[musclemom]

Amusing that you should bring that up. I have one of those. It's never been used, but from the first time I ever saw one I knew I would have to have one and eventually ordered one. It's just one of those million fantasies floating around in my head about straping my woman to it and testing limits... so to speak. :wink:

Boys and their toys And you clearly have some very, very expensive toys.

Ah, who am I shitting, even my husband has said he'd like to watch me take a ride on one of them. Me, I'm not so sure.

I remember one episode of Sex and the City, Miranda commented on her "toy drawer" and Samantha's response was that she didn't have a toy drawer, she had a whole toy closet. My money says you don't just have a toy closet, you probably have an entire toy suite!

I can just see the E-Bay add now, "For Sale, 1 Sybian, Never Been Used ... REALLY!!! Never, I swear ... You can take it to a CSI lab ..."

 

[soragesum2]

Boys and their toys And you clearly have some very, very expensive toys.

Ah, who am I shitting, even my husband has said he'd like to watch me take a ride on one of them. Me, I'm not so sure.

I remember one episode of Sex and the City, Miranda commented on her "toy drawer" and Samantha's response was that she didn't have a toy drawer, she had a whole toy closet. My money says you don't just have a toy closet, you probably have an entire toy suite!

I can just see the E-Bay add now, "For Sale, 1 Sybian, Never Been Used ... REALLY!!! Never, I swear ... You can take it to a CSI lab ..."

More like a whole toy house!! Well.. ok that's an exageration. I have often fantasiesed about what I would truely decorate my house like if I had no societal limitations... which is basically if friends/family/neighbors could come into my house and not be totally freaked out by what they saw. But of course that's not the world we live in... so the "common" areas of my house need to be presentable and respectable to the public.

But I often do feel like Beast from Beauty and the Beast when I have company over... "Don't EVER go into the west wing!! It's forbiden!"

And about selling the sybian on ebay... your're right... that's funny!! I never really thought about selling it until just a few minutes ago when I made that post, thinking that if I never end up having a use for it, why not sell it and at least some woman/couple out there get some pleasure out of it. It was kind of off-the-cuff thought at that moment. But I plan on holding onto it for quite some time... I still have hope.

If you believe it would give your husband pleasure for him to use it on you... why not? It's the man you love.. it's something that would give him pleasure.. what's there to be afraid of? That's something that I don't understand... why withold even the tiniest ounce of pleasure from the person you love?

 

[musclemom]

If you believe it would give your husband pleasure for him to use it on you... why not? It's the man you love.. it's something that would give him pleasure.. what's there to be afraid of? That's something that I don't understand... why withold even the tiniest ounce of pleasure from the person you love?

Well there is the first problem of the substantial $$$ the sybian costs, esp. if you want to purchase it with at least a few attachments. Kind of tough to justify spending $2,000 on a really, really cool vibrator when you've got credit cards carrying balances

Secondly, some women are multiorgasmic, they can continue to be stimulated for a long, long time, riding the peaks and valleys continuously. Some women, however, have one really enormous climax and then they simply cannot bear to be touched, any stimulation is dreadfully unpleasant and hypersensitive and makes you state, uncategorically "Enough!" (I actually believe this is due to anatomic variations, much like some women simply cannot climax strictly through intercourse). I don't think girls who fall into category 2 will enjoy a sybian nearly as much as the girls who fall into category 1. I'm in category 2.

 

[musclemom]

i bet you dig the pink floyd album "dark side of the moon" then MM.
tell me what you think of this song.

it's about death. after one of my best friends who turned 21 died i listened to it.
t'was one of his favorites.
he never believed in a god.
this has much emotion in it.

I'm running a really old platform, I can't watch/listen to embedded YouTube videos, makes my computer

I'll have you know that Dark Side of the Moon was one of the first albums I bought (along with a bunch of David Bowie and Ozzie's Madman). I used to have a second hand record store right across the street from me. I actually bought it when ALBUM was a large black thing the size of a dinner plate. I remember listening to that album on headphones in the dark weeknights after school. Just turning out all the lights and getting totally into it.

What I've always loved about Floyd's music is there is no definitive answer to any of the songs. The lyrics may speak one way to one person, the music another, and together they create something else. I think the song was very comforting to you and helped you remember that your friend never had that fear.

 

[soragesum2]

Well there is the first problem of the substantial $$$ the sybian costs, esp. if you want to purchase it with at least a few attachments. Kind of tough to justify spending $2,000 on a really, really cool vibrator when you've got credit cards carrying balances

Secondly, some women are multiorgasmic, they can continue to be stimulated for a long, long time, riding the peaks and valleys continuously. Some women, however, have one really enormous climax and then they simply cannot bear to be touched, any stimulation is dreadfully unpleasant and hypersensitive and makes you state, uncategorically "Enough!" (I actually believe this is due to anatomic variations, much like some women simply cannot climax strictly through intercourse). I don't think girls who fall into category 2 will enjoy a sybian nearly as much as the girls who fall into category 1. I'm in category 2.

Even if you are catagory 2... do you know the limits of how "enourmous" that one climax might be?

But aside from that... it's kind of missing the point.. you said that your husband would like to see you riding one. So it's NOT all about you and your climax... it's also about giving that pleasure to him of you climaxing in this way and the sight of you doing so. Even if you ultimatly arn't that fond of it... as long as it doesn't cause you pain but gives him pleasure, holding that back is what I can't wrap my soul around. But again.. I don't understand holding back even the tiniest drop of pleasure. I am wierd that way.

But I do understand the financial side of it... wow.. are they $2000 now??? It was only about $1200 when I bought mine... it's almost doubled in price! :O

 

[jnevin]

If I could be a woman for a day I'd rock out on a sybian.

 

[musclemom]

But I do understand the financial side of it... wow.. are they $2000 now??? It was only about $1200 when I bought mine... it's almost doubled in price! :O

My bad, I just went back to the site and looked again, I misread it, I thought the base price said $1,800 or so, it's $1,300 and change (old age is such a treat). Then with the attachment package $1,550 plus shipping. So about $1,600+/-.

Honestly, we've played with toys, after the initial thrill of getting it out of the box (so to speak) they lose their appeal pretty fast. Pretty expensive toy to get bored with after the first few times (although they have like a 90 day return policy, that's um, wow, heck, most stores won't even let you return a bathing suit ...). In the end, nothing's quite as good as the mental/spiritual/psychic connection that we have.

 

[StoneOfFire]

Pics of the doll!!