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Hanoi Jane speaks out at rally
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mountain muscle said:
I never said she wasn't responsibe for treason as defined by the US Constitution. I said that nothing she did in the past changes the veracity of any of her current arguments against the American presence in Iraq.
No footage of Iraqi torture? Does Abu Grehb count as 'Iraqi Torture'? Maybe I should have called it POW torture as that is more universal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjQcMomzrgY
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Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
I don't think it counts really.
I went through worse in Military school, College frat hazing and freshman hockey hazing.
jnuts said:
Horay for men who can just state their opinion concisely and not disguise their true agenda behind a labrynth of intellectual masturbation. I'm giving you karma and I rarely do that.
This whole thread is sickening, it brings back bad memories. this last comment makes me want to puke. and this guy Jacob, why are you so quick to condemn your country and it's military and not the islamic fascists? fellow i don't know what your age is but if you want to know about real torture check out what the japs did in ww2. we must be defeated in iraq, the left in this country and the democrat party have invested their very survival in our defeat and with their willing accomplices in the press they will make sure it happens.redguru said:
mountain muscle said:
The prisoners were not trying to join a club. They were seized outside of their free will and subjected to that. You joined and participated on your own free will. There is a huge difference.
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Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
You are right. absolutely. I was not trying to kill anyone when I was inducted.
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mightymouse69 said:
At the time he was still a Naval Reserve LT and that rally was sponsored by FTA. Also, during this same period he attempted to sue for peace with Hanoi in a secret meeting in France, which is punishable under the UCMJ.
This picture however is fictitious.
This one however, is real
http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/kerry.asp
ole farte' said:
I have not condemned my country. I condemn the people who's policies condemn this country. I also know I am not omniscent and my opinion can change when someone proves me wrong. I know the Japanese tortured Americans during WWII, but I also know Americans torture POWs and that is not affected by what the Japanese did in WWII. I also know America adopted a racist policy of internment during WWII and rounded up Japanese citizens in camps for it's 'protection'. I fall neither neatly into the left nor the right. I'm an anarchon-capitalist that sees history as a series of duplicating cycles and that many governments and successful political movements commit attrocities under the guise of the 'common good' and will take people they view as peons and place them in the battlefield as cannon fodder for their ideas or profit. I don't much doubt Jane would rationalize the justice of my head sawed off if she thought it would promote her vision of utopia, nor do I doubt would Dick Cheney, nor Hilary Clinton, nor do I doubt the Islamic fascists. I think religion is for the brainwashed, cowards, intellectual weaklings, or the lonely. I condemn many of the protesters for being sheep, but sheep from a different flock. I don't doubt a large percentage will become what they hate, nor realize how closely they resemble what they hate. I care more about bodybags filled with people then I do about the ideology that put them in the bodybags. I philosophically oppose the communist party, they are my anti-christ. I believe the United States can ideologically function as a beacon of individuality, but we encounter the universal problem of the will to power. Men in power have similar goals, and hence similar actions: maintain or expand that power. Now feel free to attack me where I really stand and not your preconceived notion of 'Liberal vs. Conservative'.
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Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
people so desperatley want "iraq" to equal "vietnam"
I can see you don't, cheers to that.
and doing anything legally to fonda would only make the situation worse.
she would turn into a cheezy liberal martyr and the bluepeters/hr's/AAP's of the world would never shut up about her
mountain muscle said:
I'm not sure how to interpret this. If you were in military school, the purpose of your training was to teach you to kill or facilitate killing. Or are you claiming all the 'POWs' in camps were trying to kill Americans. Or are you claiming you were some kind of conscientious objector who joined the military. Anyway the purpose of any country's military staff is to kill or facilitate killing. It's only the master that differs. Of the written word, sarcasm is the hardest read. It doesn't matter as much what your intentions are as it matters what you do.
