Half Life fun...

[thx9000]

I just built a little spread sheet using the formula:

K(t)=K(0)*(e^-(.693/hl))

where K is concentration at time
and hl=half life durration.

I am taking 400mg EQ + 400mg Enan each week. I see the peak concentration will happen just after my last injection. No confusion there. Where I am confused is with the time to start HCG/Clomid. Not really confused actually, I've read it over and over. Everything I have read is to start Clomid (or HCG if you choose) at the end of the first half life of the longest acting ester. So we're looking at roughly three weeks out. WHY? It seems to early to be effective.

Sure, By that time I would be at only 33% of the peak concentration reached three weeks before BUT I would still have a HUGH amount (relative to "normal") of synthetic hormones in my body. My estimate is something like 900mg of shit still floating around in me. Is my math all f'd up or just my reasoning? I'm sure I jsut don't understand something.

 

[thx9000]

Is this just such a stupid question that no one wants to condescend to responding, or does no one know the answer?

Basically the question is: wouldn't test/testlike values still be extremely high after just 3 weeks? If I started Clodmid then would those level STILL be high even after clomid therapy ended? Wouldn't that lead to problems down the road?

okay, that's multiple questions...

 

[notacow]

first of all, you forgot 't'
and using natural log base is confusing.
use this:

K(t) = K0 / 2 ^ ( t / halfLife )

at the end of the first half life of the longest acting ester. So we're looking at roughly three weeks out.

the EQ is your longest-acting ester. so it's TWO weeks out.

Sure, By that time I would be at only 33% of the peak concentration reached three weeks before BUT I would still have a HUGH amount (relative to "normal") of synthetic hormones in my body. My estimate is something like 900mg of shit still floating around in me. Is my math all f'd up or just my reasoning?

well, .. ahum,.. err, .. ah, you see.... DAMN, I think you're right !

I'm sure I jsut don't understand something.

yea, what you don't understand is that nobody here can use a spreadsheet or do any math

you know I really wish I knew the answer to this.

The best idea might be to try to finish up with something with a shorter half life (get 3 weeks worth of prop and/or fina)

Is this just such a stupid question that no one wants to condescend to responding, or does no one know the answer?

let's keep bumping this sucker until some one steps up to the plate.

 

[notacow]

let's agree on half lives.
I've heard 14 days for EQ and 10.5 for 'thate

perhaps you were looking at one of those 'when to start clomid' tables and saw 28 days for EQ. Which is actually 1.5 hlf-lives. at 28 days: 75% of eq will be gone and only 14% of 'thate will remain.

 

[thx9000]

let's agree on half lives.
I've heard 14 days for EQ and 10.5 for 'thate

perhaps you were looking at one of those 'when to start clomid' tables and saw 28 days for EQ. Which is actually 1.5 hlf-lives. at 28 days: 75% of eq will be gone and only 14% of 'thate will remain.

The "when to start clomid" table would make sense to me if I didn't have all those previous injections at anywhere between 25% and 95% decayed floating around in me. It's one of those "sum of the parts" scenarios and the parts can really add up with those long acting esters...

I was acutally rounding up. I think the HL I used in my spreadsheet was more like 16.5dy for EQ and 10.5dy for Enan.

I am working on the prop at end approach. That way I can allow the test/EQ to naturally "go away" and have a safer feeling that I'm starting HCG at the correct time.

I'll post the sheet later...

 

[notacow]

I agree.
I'm thinking of switching from EQ/testE to tren/prop at the end.

 

[RussianBro]

I think basic understanding of half life is important. but I don't see any reason to create a scientific approach to this whole deal... I work with spreadsheets and databases almost daily... They are worthless taking for consideration that we are all different and react differently to AAS...

 

[thx9000]

okay, out of desperation I am bumping my own post, AGAIN. This is the last time, though I promise...

How is it that one can start clomid or HCG, or any other "therapy" when steriod levels are still so damn high? After 8 weeks of long ester injections, levels are still very high even after waiting out a full half life. I assume this leads to a second potential crash after the recovery phase ends and steroid levels are still not exactly low...

Okay, I will give up now.