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GlucorellR {R+ ALA} and First PWO Meal
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"So if one were eating in this fashion...only carbs for your PW shake, and your second PW meal, you'd day skip the r-ALA for the shake and get that insulin spke, then take the r-ALA with the second PW meal which is solid food?
I'm all confused now. Before, you and macro were saying to take the r-ALA with your PW shake, now the insulin spike is beneficial PW."
I would not, and do not, use carbs for an insulin spike post workout. Many do, but I don't. My PW shake has no carbs.
So to answer your question again, Yes the PW shake with carbs should be allowed to spike your insulin if that's what you're looking to do.
It's like this. I can't tell you what's best for you and your growth and be exact on every detail. There are completely seperate theories at work when it comes to PW shakes, PW insulin spikes, PREWO drinks, taking carb when you train or not, etc. You have to find the one that you think works for you the best.
Mr Nobody is over 250 when ripped for a contest. Now he's 303. If you saw him training in a gym he'd would be the first guy you'd ask advice from, likes the insulin spike post work out.
I personally don't think the rewards of the spike are worth shutting down your fat burning post work out. Your body stops burning fat in the presence of insulin. By training you've created this nice increase in your MR and you will burn fat for hours at an increased rate PW and instead you're going to spike your insulin and shut it all down.
So the compromise would be to spike your insulin and then take the Glucorell R to shut it down so it's not spiked so long. Hence, the suggestion to use it for your PW shake.
Singleton, drinking gatorade while training has so many benefits that the small amount of blood required to digest it is a small price to pay.
I'm all confused now. Before, you and macro were saying to take the r-ALA with your PW shake, now the insulin spike is beneficial PW."
I would not, and do not, use carbs for an insulin spike post workout. Many do, but I don't. My PW shake has no carbs.
So to answer your question again, Yes the PW shake with carbs should be allowed to spike your insulin if that's what you're looking to do.
It's like this. I can't tell you what's best for you and your growth and be exact on every detail. There are completely seperate theories at work when it comes to PW shakes, PW insulin spikes, PREWO drinks, taking carb when you train or not, etc. You have to find the one that you think works for you the best.
Mr Nobody is over 250 when ripped for a contest. Now he's 303. If you saw him training in a gym he'd would be the first guy you'd ask advice from, likes the insulin spike post work out.
I personally don't think the rewards of the spike are worth shutting down your fat burning post work out. Your body stops burning fat in the presence of insulin. By training you've created this nice increase in your MR and you will burn fat for hours at an increased rate PW and instead you're going to spike your insulin and shut it all down.
So the compromise would be to spike your insulin and then take the Glucorell R to shut it down so it's not spiked so long. Hence, the suggestion to use it for your PW shake.
Singleton, drinking gatorade while training has so many benefits that the small amount of blood required to digest it is a small price to pay.
macrophage69alpha
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the amount of insulin needed for amino uptake is minimal.
with glucorell minimal amounts of insulin are needed fro carb shuttling.
the benefits of high insulin are: increased water retention, increased fat gain.- their may be some beneficial increase in igf-1 however that is likely at least somewhat offset by GH inhibition (inuslin effect)
however that being said PWO (particularly if cardio) insulin sensitivity is highest... so not taking glucorell pwo is the time where is absence will have the least negative impact.. however that being said there is little positive to not taking it.. (and some definite positives to taking it)
with glucorell minimal amounts of insulin are needed fro carb shuttling.
the benefits of high insulin are: increased water retention, increased fat gain.- their may be some beneficial increase in igf-1 however that is likely at least somewhat offset by GH inhibition (inuslin effect)
however that being said PWO (particularly if cardio) insulin sensitivity is highest... so not taking glucorell pwo is the time where is absence will have the least negative impact.. however that being said there is little positive to not taking it.. (and some definite positives to taking it)
macrophage69alpha
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JG1 said:
no.. because insulin is not all that anabolic (except to fat, organs (fat and some other tissue types- through igf.)
if you want more spike just take the R+ at the middle or just after meal-- this will reduce time of high blood glucose and high bloss insulin without impeding spike
JG1
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macrophage69alpha said:
Ok, for your PW shake, how would YOU recommend taking the glucorell? 10-15 minutes prior to the shake to have your body primed for the dextrose/whey, or the SECOND before drinking the shake so you get some insulin spike, but still get the effects of the r-ALA.
macrophage69alpha
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JG1 said:
really a matter of preference.. but for staying "leanest" or "cutting".. go with 5-10min prior
LCBUTLER
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JG1 said:
Me too.
Good thread.
Lots of good info here for people who are really trying to get the timing down of PW nutrition. If we are using something like dextrose or maltodextrin in the PW shake I'm sure we are getting enough of the insulin spike macro refered to needed for amino uptake.
Let's throw another curve in this...What if one decides to use insulin PW with the R-ALA, and PW shake? I would like to see what the powers that be (ulter, macro, etc.) think of that, and if it impacts any of the timing at all. Since about 60% of my carbs for the entire day come from PW shake and PW meal how could one wisely incorporate Humulin-R into the PW equation.
Thanks,
LC
