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Garry Frank's 2800 total

LiftingDukkha

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I just found out that Garry Frank is credited with totalling 2800+ lbs. First, Good God! 2nd, does anyone know exactly what his 3 lifts were for that day? That has to be, like, 1000-1100 lb Squat, 750-800 Bench, and 950 Deadlift. Jesus H. Christ.
 
From that article:

"'What are your current goals? Do you think you have enough left in the tank to reach 3000?'

Frank: 'Get to 3000 lbs. hmm. I don't know. I am hoping that I have enough left in the tank to reach 2900lbs. The weight starts to get heavy at a certain point.'"

Gee, you think? LOL!
 
*mutters something about stupid denim lifting suits*

dude is a beast, but you can't compare any of these guys to the guys of "yesteryear", because it is damn near impossible to tell if they've gotten stronger (possibly), or if the lifting gear has gotten better (definitely)
 
Well, I think it's pretty well-accepted that no suits actually help out Deadlift, which is why guys like Ed Coan say the Deadlift is the truest test of real strength (convenient for him, since he's the greatest pound-for-pound DL'er of all time).

Garry Frank held the world record in DL not too long ago, around 935. Now, the problem with Powerlifting Totals is that it seems that everybody -- everybody -- is good on either 1 or 2 lifts, but never on all 3 at the same time. Ed Coan was mind-boggling at Squat & Deadlift, but his Bench was his relative "weakness" (which is why he "only" totalled ~2460 at a 220 bodyweight!!!!! ~970 Squat, 580 BP, 901 Deadlift).

Among the Superheavies, it seems like most of the record behemoths are either great at "just" Squat, or Bench, or both Squat and Bench, but never Deadlift; or, conversely, it seems like some guys would be phenomenal at Deadlift, but not as relatively good at Bench, or even Squat.

For example, before Garry Frank, most world-class Superheavyweights would total something like: 950 Squat, 650 BP, 700 Deadlift = 2300 total.

(Which makes Ed Coan, at 220-242, about 100+ lbs. lighter than the Superheavies, all the more amazing.)

Bill Kazmaier held the world record for decades, at about 2470, with about 950 Squat, 650 Bench, and 870 Deadlift -- and this was waaaayyy before all the incredible supportive equipment came out!

Anyway, Garry Frank is really the first truly well-rounded Superheavyweight to come around since Kaz -- and his Deadlift is significantly stronger than Kaz's, so I have to give Garry credit for that.

I think head-to-head, same supportive equipment, or not, Garry Frank would out-total Kaz, probably by a pretty healthy margin. For one thing, Garry's Deadlift would be at least 50 lbs. stronger than Kaz's. For another thing, I think Garry probably could out-bench Kaz by at least 50 lbs, supportive gear or not.

That's just my opinion.

Anyway, can anyone tell me what exactly Garry Frank's 3 lifts were, exactly, when he busted 2800?
 
kethnaab said:
*mutters something about stupid denim lifting suits*

dude is a beast, but you can't compare any of these guys to the guys of "yesteryear", because it is damn near impossible to tell if they've gotten stronger (possibly), or if the lifting gear has gotten better (definitely)
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Well why not, just because the technology is more advanced and the equipment is more readily available. Fred Hatfield was labelled as the first man to squat a thousand, he was also the first man to stand up with the weight on his back and have them move the jackstands out from under him rather than walking the weight out. And have you ever seen this film, his wraps go from the middle of his thigh to the middle of his calves and he trained for two years for this one lift. What about the yesteryear guys before him?

Also, he squats with his legs shoulders width apart, 99.9% of all big squatters squat sumo except for Steve Goggins, why, the lift got more advanced and people got smarter and targetted the muscle groups that gave you the most with the lift.

Dude, if you don't like equipment and want to compete, compete raw, if you don't like drugs, compete in tested events, if you like double ply, single ply, canvas, denim, poly, whatever, compete in federations or competitions specific to you and quit complaining on how guys back in the day are stronger then guys now or if there is anyway to tell.

Oh by the way, a little secret, there is virtually no such thing as an "all natural" event, 90% of the time, they only test the few top guys with the best coefficients, and they mostly piss test so not a whole lot to tell from that.

Look at friggin football players these days, they are bigger, stronger, faster and everything else. You can argue their training methods are more advanced, the drugs are more advanced, whatever, not like Lyle (?) Alzado or Matuzak (?) were natural, both died of brain cancer.
 
Yes, I basically agree. "Natural" is NOT a clear-cut target. What's natural? If they tested caffeine, and some do, I wouldn't do that meet. etc.

Anyway:

Can anyone tell me what exactly Garry Frank's 3 lifts were, exactly, when he busted 2800?
 
From that link:

WPO semifinals, Oct. 30 2005

Garry Frank - BWT 164.3 kg = 361 lbs

Squat - 480 kg = 1058 lbs

BP - 365 kg = 805 lbs

DL - 395 kg = 870 lbs

Total - 1240 = 2733 lbs.




Good lord. That's not even his best meet!
 
LiftingDukkha said:
From that link:

WPO semifinals, Oct. 30 2005

Garry Frank - BWT 164.3 kg = 361 lbs

Squat - 480 kg = 1058 lbs

BP - 365 kg = 805 lbs

DL - 395 kg = 870 lbs

Total - 1240 = 2733 lbs.







Good lord. That's not even his best meet!
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No shit dude and he probably only did it to qualify to compete in the Arnold.

He didn't have a great year this past year, as always... everyone is injured, it just depends on who's turn it is... "a blind squirrel gets a nut once in a while"

Good thing I'm a Buckeye, hoping to go watch that shit this year at the Arnold. Unfortunately could only find articles inferring Frank will hit 2800, no proof, haven't looked through APF stuff yet, may check MonsterMuscle, those guys are pretty good at always posting world records, will let ya know!!!
 
Chambewy20 said:
Good thing I'm a Buckeye, hoping to go watch that shit this year at the Arnold. Unfortunately could only find articles inferring Frank will hit 2800, no proof, haven't looked through APF stuff yet, may check MonsterMuscle, those guys are pretty good at always posting world records, will let ya know!!!
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That'd be great. I did a google search on "powerlifting world record" and got Michael Soong's All-Time Historical records from powermagonline.com. It gives a list of all world records at all classes & in 3 lifts & total, but doesn't say exactly what made the totals. It says Garry Frank did 2805 lbs. on 4/3/2005

http://www.powermagonline.com/latest-news/records.asp
 
LiftingDukkha said:
I just found out that Garry Frank is credited with totalling 2800+ lbs. First, Good God! 2nd, does anyone know exactly what his 3 lifts were for that day? That has to be, like, 1000-1100 lb Squat, 750-800 Bench, and 950 Deadlift. Jesus H. Christ.
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2004 APF Jacksonville Open

1085 Squat
837 Bench
881 Deadlift

2805 Total
 
triple ply denim doesn't help the pull too much

anyway you slice it, dude is a friggin' ogre though. mad respect for the strength, with or without gear
 
kethnaab said:
triple ply denim doesn't help the pull too much

anyway you slice it, dude is a friggin' ogre though. mad respect for the strength, with or without gear
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Yeah, that's my point. I think he's the strongest powerlifter of all time (so far anyway). No one else has ever been so proficient at ALL THREE lifts, not even Kaz.

Even without supportive gear, I think Garry is probably a legitimate 700 lb. bench-presser, while Kaz did about 660 (I think) (maybe even with a 1970's bench shirt, I don't know.)

Kaz deadlifted about 880 in 3-lift meets, while Garry has sometimes pulled over 900 (Garry held the Deadlift world record at 935 until just a few weeks ago when Benedikt Magnusson pulled a freakish crazy 970 -- in a single-lift meet.)

I would guess that with same equipment or no equipment, Kaz & Garry would Squat about the same.

So Garry Frank & Bill Kazmaier (Kaz is the gold standard) with either no gear, or both with the same supportive gear, would probably Squat about the same, but Garry would Bench more than Kaz by probably 50 lbs or more, and possibly pull about 50 lbs. more. So Garry Frank would beat Kaz by at least 50-100 lbs. on Kaz's very best day.

That's the real deal!
 
LiftingDukkha said:
Yeah, that's my point. I think he's the strongest powerlifter of all time (so far anyway). No one else has ever been so proficient at ALL THREE lifts, not even Kaz.

Even without supportive gear, I think Garry is probably a legitimate 700 lb. bench-presser, while Kaz did about 660 (I think) (maybe even with a 1970's bench shirt, I don't know.)

Kaz deadlifted about 880 in 3-lift meets, while Garry has sometimes pulled over 900 (Garry held the Deadlift world record at 935 until just a few weeks ago when Benedikt Magnusson pulled a freakish crazy 970 -- in a single-lift meet.)

I would guess that with same equipment or no equipment, Kaz & Garry would Squat about the same.

So Garry Frank & Bill Kazmaier (Kaz is the gold standard) with either no gear, or both with the same supportive gear, would probably Squat about the same, but Garry would Bench more than Kaz by probably 50 lbs or more, and possibly pull about 50 lbs. more. So Garry Frank would beat Kaz by at least 50-100 lbs. on Kaz's very best day.

That's the real deal!
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Kaz did 660 raw.

I don't know if Garry can do 700 raw or just got better at getting more out of his shirt but I am willing to believe that he is pretty close.
 
But one thing to consider is Garry Frank is HUGE, I would guess he outweighs Kaz on his heaviest day by 50-60 pounds.

I much more impressed with totals versus bodyweight rather than coefficients. If a 400 lb. man squats a grand, that's impressive, but when a 132 lb woman squats 550, that's really impressive, not only because she's a woman, but because rather than squatting 2.5 times your body weight, she squatted over 4 times her body weight.

Rock on Amy W., Westside Rules!!!
 
Chambewy20 said:
But one thing to consider is Garry Frank is HUGE, I would guess he outweighs Kaz on his heaviest day by 50-60 pounds.

I much more impressed with totals versus bodyweight rather than coefficients. If a 400 lb. man squats a grand, that's impressive, but when a 132 lb woman squats 550, that's really impressive, not only because she's a woman, but because rather than squatting 2.5 times your body weight, she squatted over 4 times her body weight.

Rock on Amy W., Westside Rules!!!
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Hell Yeah Amy W. !!!!
 
BWT/lift ratios are impressive, but smaller people will always have advantages here over the big boys simply because of physics. I forget exactly how to phrase, but I've read a few places that increases in bodymass, at the elite level, doesn't add strength "linearly," the rate of increase drops off as mass is added.

I appreciate smaller people who lift a lot (more than me) as well as women who lift a lot (sometimes more than me), but I'm still in awe of the big boys. In a full-on smack down, I'd bet on Garry Frank if he was fighting, say, Marcus Schlick (165'er who benches over 600)
 
NO! Kaz did a 660 with NO BENCH SHIRT! Frank did a 700 with bench shirt but couldnt hit much over 600 without it. He NEVER could break Kaz's record without the suits...

Kaz is still the overall strongest...
 
Throw2Far said:
NO! Kaz did a 660 with NO BENCH SHIRT! Frank did a 700 with bench shirt but couldnt hit much over 600 without it. He NEVER could break Kaz's record without the suits...

Kaz is still the overall strongest...
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this is likely true but since Frank has done +800 with his shirt and is known as a "brute strength" rather then techniqe guy it is possible he might be able to still do a lot without a shirt.

However, I will say that I don't think LiftingDukkha realizes how much of an assumption he is making when he said that Gary is probably stronger then Kaz was...that will take some serious proof.
 
Tiervexx said:
this is likely true but since Frank has done +800 with his shirt and is known as a "brute strength" rather then techniqe guy it is possible he might be able to still do a lot without a shirt.

However, I will say that I don't think LiftingDukkha realizes how much of an assumption he is making when he said that Gary is probably stronger then Kaz was...that will take some serious proof.
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Well, for one thing, Garry deadlifts up to 935 lbs. Most Kaz ever did was aroudn 880. Deadlift = best overall indicator of true strength, since suits can't help.

Who knows, with or without suits. (That's one thing that really does suck about suits -- you just can't compare direct strengths across decades.)

But Garry is still, what, like 200 lbs ahead of his nearest competition, today, in overall total?

How close was Kaz's nearest competition back in 1970-whatever? 50 lbs? or closer?

Garry is (I think) around 200 lbs ahead of his nearest present-day competition. Even at a suited 2800 total, this represent about 7% superiority over his closest competition.

Kaz, at 2470 non-suited, was about, say, 50 lbs. ahead of his nearest contemporary competitor. 50/2470 = ~ 0.6 % !!!!

0.6% vs 7.0%

Garry Frank's lead over his competition is about 10 TIMES greater, by percent, than Kaz's lead over his competition!


(Note: If someone else is actually closer to Garry's 2800 than "just" 2600, please let me know!)
 
Throw2Far said:
NO! Kaz did a 660 with NO BENCH SHIRT! Frank did a 700 with bench shirt but couldnt hit much over 600 without it. He NEVER could break Kaz's record without the suits...

Kaz is still the overall strongest...
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(1) *In a single-lift meet, Garry deadlifted 935. Kaz deadlifted 880. Garry beat Kaz by 50 lbs.

(2) Garry benched WAAYYY over 700 -- He's benched over 800, in a 3-lift meet. In fact, he benched over 800 in his 3-lift record total, so you can't say he backed off the other lifts to have strength left over to bench 800.




2004 APF Jacksonville Open

1085 Squat
837 Bench
881 Deadlift

2805 Total
 
You're a fucking moron... You can't compare a 660 raw bench with a 800 suited bench. And yes there are suits for deadlifting... you are wrong...

Benching "WAAYYY over 700" with a suit is fucking commonplace nowadays.... Benching over 660 without a suit is NOT! End of story...
 
Wow. I don't really care to get into a stupid flame war. Before you, I found that nearly everyone around is pretty cool & understands it's useless to get into insults. Here's hoping you get banned or whatever.

BTW, nice job avoiding all my other arguments. 835 lb with shirt means he could bench at least 600 --- Mendellson benched 755 no-shirt, 1000 shirt, which = 75% . 75% of 800 = 600 lbs.

So Garry can do 600+ no shirt, SAME AS KAZ.

AND, Garry deadlifts 50 more lbs. than Kaz.

Garry is clearly stronger than Kaz.

But you go ahead, insult me like a moron, ignore my arguments, and demonstrate your low IQ for us all.
 
LiftingDukkha said:
(That's one thing that really does suck about suits -- you just can't compare direct strengths across decades.)
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that's my only real beef with the gear. Nothing wrong with wearing it while you workout to get an increased loading parameter, but for competition purposes...well...it's like allowing aluminum baseball bats into baseball. All the hitting records may as well get tossed, because the advantage provided specifically by the equipment is just far too enormous.
 
Lets use your logic then:

Frank does 835. That means he would have done a (835x.75) 626.25 lb bench press. 45 lbs less than kaz. He also performed his deadlift with a suit (that yes does help, and the reason the "moron" comment), whether it is the equivilent of a 75% raw deadlift or 90% raw deadlift it really doesnt matter because either way Kaz could do more than Frank RAW!

Lets break this down for you:

1. 635.25<661
2. Deadlift suits help more than 50 lbs
3. Squat (suited) 1085<925 Squat RAW

To add to the prowess of Kaz, he was an overall athlete, a specimen for the ages. He went on to win the Worlds Strongest Man 3x, start for the Greenbay Packers, and won the Tag Team Championship belt in WCW. Kazmaier could have squatted over 1000 lbs raw and MOST DEFINITELY could have benched over 700 if he would not have torn his pec in other sports. He is the epitomy of the strength athlete. Gary Frank, my friend, is not!
 
Wow you know what kethnaab? I just had an amazing idea. What if I placed a fork-lift under the bar and bench pressed 3,000 lbs! Or how bout a nano-suit that allows me to bench 5,000 lbs! My main point is that suits make a mockery of Powerlifting and allow nobodys to compare their 600 (suited) bench to Kazmaier's, when in fact they aren't nearly in the same league. And furthermore a person like frank to literally smash his record, when indeed he is only either a few pounds ahead or a few pounds behind.
 
I completely disagree.

As far as the deadlift goes, take a close looke at the "suits" guys like Andy Bolton Donnie Thompson wear, it's actually a bench singlet. For a lot of guys in the super heavys, the suits actually hinder their lifts more than help so they just were a singlet.

Arguing the use of equipment with guys who have never tried it or have never competed is a total waste of time. If you have ever tried deadlifting in a real suit, you would realize that the hardest part is getting down to the bar, typically you can get 30 lbs max out of a suit.
 
LiftingDukkha said:
Wow. I don't really care to get into a stupid flame war. Before you, I found that nearly everyone around is pretty cool & understands it's useless to get into insults. Here's hoping you get banned or whatever.

BTW, nice job avoiding all my other arguments. 835 lb with shirt means he could bench at least 600 --- Mendellson benched 755 no-shirt, 1000 shirt, which = 75% . 75% of 800 = 600 lbs.

So Garry can do 600+ no shirt, SAME AS KAZ.

AND, Garry deadlifts 50 more lbs. than Kaz.

Garry is clearly stronger than Kaz.

But you go ahead, insult me like a moron, ignore my arguments, and demonstrate your low IQ for us all.
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You are not making arguments, just assumptions. MAYBE Garry could beat Kaz's raw lifts but you can not be sure that equipment only adds x amount. And no one lift really judges over all strength, you can have a huge deadlift and still a shit bench and over head press. Furthermore while it is true that suits do not help nearly as much with deadlifting as it does other lifts it could easily make up that 50 lbs diffrence between Garry and Kaz, maybe more.

I am not sure either way, but no reasonable person would say "Garry is clearly stronger than Kaz" without proof, and you have none.


...speaking of overhead pressing, Kaz broke a lot of oddball overhead pressing records in his time as well. There are so many things he did for the strongman competitions that a powerlifting total does not offer much proof towards. Garry has a lot to do before you can say he is even as strong as kaz, much less "clearly stronger."
 
we have no direct way of comparing whether Kaz or Garry Frank truly is "strongest ever"

we simply have no way of comparing. the use of competition gear now has rendered powerlifting records of the past essentially worthless, in the same way that aluminum baseball bats would render all hitting records worthless, as I mentioned earlier.

take the gear away, let Frank lift the way Kaz did, and then we can talk. Until then, it is borderline pointless to discuss. It is VERY pointless to get into a flamewar about hypothetical lifts vs gym lifts vs. (90% x 1RM suited) lifts, etc.

competition gear lifts the weight for you. not all of it, but far more than it ever used to, and it is forcing strongmen of the past to "lose" their records to potentially inferior strength athletes.

throw2far, I'm not sure what you were rambling on about, but you might want to take a deep breath and relax a bit. I was agreeing with you.
 
garry frank pullled his best dead in a singlet not a dead suit. Garrys best bench is competition is mid 800's not 800. I would think his raw bench is somewere in the mid 600's as most full meet lifters are not bench shirt magicians, but this is complete speculation. Squating wise i have no clue what Gary can lift. As far as drugs go, from the stories i have heard Kaz far surpassed Gary in drug use. But these are only stories, i have no clue. But to say the drugs today are better is bullshit, as a general rule powerlifters don't take the different shit bodybuilders do.
 
kethnaab said:
that's my only real beef with the gear. Nothing wrong with wearing it while you workout to get an increased loading parameter, but for competition purposes...well...it's like allowing aluminum baseball bats into baseball. All the hitting records may as well get tossed, because the advantage provided specifically by the equipment is just far too enormous.
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this is definately true about todays gear, the records are impossible to compare.
 
jcp2 said:
garry frank pullled his best dead in a singlet not a dead suit. Garrys best bench is competition is mid 800's not 800. I would think his raw bench is somewere in the mid 600's as most full meet lifters are not bench shirt magicians, but this is complete speculation. Squating wise i have no clue what Gary can lift. As far as drugs go, from the stories i have heard Kaz far surpassed Gary in drug use. But these are only stories, i have no clue. But to say the drugs today are better is bullshit, as a general rule powerlifters don't take the different shit bodybuilders do.
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i smell trouble LOL
ima perfect example drug free and i have an outstanding DL
;)
 
Everyone resorts back to Kaz like he's a "God" because they remember the world wide of sports "Strongman" contests when they were kids. Just because he's one of the American commentators for the World's Strongest Man contest doesn't make him the all time World's Strongest Man.

Like when Franco Columbo snapped his ankle while running with a refrigerator on his back.

Hell who is that Russian deadlifter, can't remember his name, from the late 90's who used to not even wear a belt when he pulled. You tell me gear has ruined the sport, give me a break.
 
wnt2bBeast said:
i smell trouble LOL
ima perfect example drug free and i have an outstanding DL
;)
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Yeah, but if you took drugs you would get bigger, have a harder time getting to the bar and be pulling in the 300's. :)
 
Chambewy20 said:
Everyone resorts back to Kaz like he's a "God" because they remember the world wide of sports "Strongman" contests when they were kids. Just because he's one of the American commentators for the World's Strongest Man contest doesn't make him the all time World's Strongest Man.
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True, but he is up there.

Chambewy20 said:
Like when Franco Columbo snapped his ankle while running with a refrigerator on his back.
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You know...now that I think about it Franco seriously could have been one of the strongest pound for pound people ever not counting some migets that have wonderful mechanical advantages. If I'm not misstaken at his peak he could bench +500, squated 650ish and deadlifted +700 all raw with ultra strict form at about 185 body weight.

He also cleaned and jerked 400lbs, and did well in many strongman competitions.
 
jcp2 said:
Also Ed Coan is the overall strongest, no comparison.
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You can't be serious... Coan did a SUITED 585 BENCH, and a Good-Morning that was counted as a squat (suited) at just over 1000. Kaz kept his back completely perpendicular and didn't do these "goodmorning" or "sumo" squats that are allowed today. Its almost a joke what they'll call a squat nowadays.

For those who don't know what im talking about watch Coans form. http://www.mcshane-enterprises.com/ASL/coan.html
 
Tiervexx said:
True, but he is up there.



You know...now that I think about it Franco seriously could have been one of the strongest pound for pound people ever not counting some migets that have wonderful mechanical advantages. If I'm not misstaken at his peak he could bench +500, squated 650ish and deadlifted +700 all raw with ultra strict form at about 185 body weight.

He also cleaned and jerked 400lbs, and did well in many strongman competitions.
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He also could blow up medicine bottles with his mouth wearing poly(ester) pants with a shirt with a butterfly collar!!!

Does that constitute gear, at least it wasn't denim or canvas, oh the HORROR!!!
 
Throw2Far said:
You can't be serious... Coan did a SUITED 585 BENCH, and a Good-Morning that was counted as a squat (suited) at just over 1000. Kaz kept his back completely perpendicular and didn't do these "goodmorning" or "sumo" squats that are allowed today. Its almost a joke what they'll call a squat nowadays.

For those who don't know what im talking about watch Coans form. http://www.mcshane-enterprises.com/ASL/coan.html
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Regardless, he pulled 880 at 220, strong in my book!
 
Throw2Far said:
You can't be serious... Coan did a SUITED 585 BENCH, and a Good-Morning that was counted as a squat (suited) at just over 1000. Kaz kept his back completely perpendicular and didn't do these "goodmorning" or "sumo" squats that are allowed today. Its almost a joke what they'll call a squat nowadays.

For those who don't know what im talking about watch Coans form. http://www.mcshane-enterprises.com/ASL/coan.html
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The statements you have made on this thread pretty much sum of the fact that you have no business making comments on this forum. You have absolutely no clue what you are even babbling.
 
Chambewy20 said:
Regardless, he pulled 880 at 220, strong in my book!
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I am almost posiitve he pulled 901 at 220, squatted over a grand at 242 and benched 550 in a blast shirt at 220.

I don't think i know anyone that would give Kaz the edge over Ed, except this guy.
 
Chambewy20 said:
He also could blow up medicine bottles with his mouth wearing poly(ester) pants with a shirt with a butterfly collar!!!

Does that constitute gear, at least it wasn't denim or canvas, oh the HORROR!!!
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his lifts where done with muscle. If you use denim or canvas that means something other then your fleash is doing the lifting.
 
Tiervexx said:
his lifts where done with muscle. If you use denim or canvas that means something other then your fleash is doing the lifting.
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what the fuck is fleash..

come on bro this argument is dead and fucking tired..dont blame yourself for being weak do something about it..

i gaurantee you if you put a suit or shirt on youd kill yourself..so dont preach and get all high and mighty..you got issues with gear get ur ass to a fcuking RAW meet and post your numbers up
 
Tiervexx said:
his lifts where done with muscle. If you use denim or canvas that means something other then your fleash is doing the lifting.
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So wearing a poly(ester) suit while blowing up medicine bottles is legal... I think not!!!

Get a clue dude it's a joke!
 
wnt2bBeast said:
lol..its a shame we even have to defend this stuff on the net to someone who prolly benches what 315??

although it is very entertainng to me :)
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There you go with the ad homiens again. Still no real logic at all.

Chambewy20 said:
So wearing a poly(ester) suit while blowing up medicine bottles is legal... I think not!!!

Get a clue dude it's a joke!
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I don't remember saying anything about legality, and furthermore why are we talking about steriods? that is a much more complicated and totally seperate issue from equipment. Stop fucking changing the subject.



If you get in a fight with someone twice your strength is the fact that they are only that much stronger because of drug usage going to help you? No it is not. Meanwhile if someone was only able to beat you by x amount because of a power suit that will not help them in a real life situation.
 
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wnt2bBeast said:
what the fuck is fleash..

come on bro this argument is dead and fucking tired..dont blame yourself for being weak do something about it..

i gaurantee you if you put a suit or shirt on youd kill yourself..so dont preach and get all high and mighty..you got issues with gear get ur ass to a fcuking RAW meet and post your numbers up
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If I benchpressed 10000lbs, squatted 14000, and deadlifted 11000 all raw would that make an argument any better then if I could only do a hundredth of that? Obviously not, you just completely owned your self.


I have also stated before that Ed Coan, Glen Chabot and Kaz have all given view simular to mine. Yet you still want to pretend that anyone that disputes assisted lifts MUST be a little weakling...
 
Tiervexx said:
I have also stated before that Ed Coan, Glen Chabot and Kaz have all given view simular to mine. Yet you still want to pretend that anyone that disputes assisted lifts MUST be a little weakling...
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I know who they are, what fed do you compete in? What is your name. lets see something besides some guy typing behind his parents computer. I respect those guys opinions, they have done it, you read about it and talk about it. Bye the way, Coan benches in a single ply rage x, it don't get much more jacked up than that. Your remind me of a sports columnist, a whole lot to say but nothing really going on outside of that.
 
Tiervexx said:
There you go with the ad homiens again. Still no real logic at all.



I don't remember saying anything about legality, and furthermore why are we talking about steriods? that is a much more complicated and totally seperate issue from equipment. Stop fucking changing the subject.



If you get in a fight with someone twice your strength is the fact that they are only that much stronger because of drug usage going to help you? No it is not. Meanwhile if someone was only able to beat you by x amount because of a power suit that will not help them in a real life situation.
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Who the fuck said anything about steroids?

Your so knowlegeable that you don't even realize suits and shirts are made mostly of three types of material, poly, canvas or denim.

Go back to the pictures of men board because you don't know shit from apple butter about what your talking about.
 
Chambewy20 said:
So wearing a poly(ester) suit while blowing up medicine bottles is legal... I think not!!!

Get a clue dude it's a joke!
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LOL, my bad, I assumed that the "it's a joke" comment was you saying he was a joke, and that the blowing up medicine bottles was refering to steriod use, my bad.
 
kethnaab said:
throw2far, WTF is wrong with Coan's squat there?

he went below parallel. what is the problem?
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For today's standards he is perfect. For the standards of Kaz's day, it would not have been considered a good lift. His back way 45degrees, not perpendicular.

The statements you have made on this thread pretty much sum of the fact that you have no business making comments on this forum. You have absolutely no clue what you are even babbling.
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I guess you have not followed the history of powerlifting whatsoever. Yes to today's standards he made a good lift but those standards have been significantly loosened throughout the years.
 
Throw2Far said:
For today's standards he is perfect. For the standards of Kaz's day, it would not have been considered a good lift. His back way 45degrees, not perpendicular.



I guess you have not followed the history of powerlifting whatsoever. Yes to today's standards he made a good lift but those standards have been significantly loosened throughout the years.
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I would assume your an experienced powerlifting judge to make that type of generalization?
 
Throw2Far said:
For today's standards he is perfect. For the standards of Kaz's day, it would not have been considered a good lift. His back way 45degrees, not perpendicular.



I guess you have not followed the history of powerlifting whatsoever. Yes to today's standards he made a good lift but those standards have been significantly loosened throughout the years.
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Your back position has nothing to do with a good lift. I have no clue what you are talking about, bring this to a powerlifting message board and see what they have to say. I have never even seen Ed make a squat that was not significantly below parallel. You make yourself look dumber with every post.
 
jcp2 said:
Your back position has nothing to do with a good lift. I have no clue what you are talking about, bring this to a powerlifting message board and see what they have to say. I have never even seen Ed make a squat that was not significantly below parallel. You make yourself look dumber with every post.
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Powerlifting has evolved and I am trying to explain to you that you could not have possibly gotten into this goodmorning position (which makes it easier to squat) without the squat suits that are now used.

Why do you keep talking about this "below parallel" bullshit... I never mentioned that he didn't go below parallel...
 
jcp2 post up a pic and then we'll see whos bullshitting... wait how bout i post up a pic of me on the cover of a magazine... will that do ? ?


Check my gallery... notice the same goatee and chain in all the pics? ya bitch... thats right...
 
Throw2Far said:
jcp2 post up a pic and then we'll see whos bullshitting... wait how bout i post up a pic of me on the cover of a magazine... will that do ? ?


Check my gallery... notice the same goatee and chain in all the pics? ya bitch... thats right...
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Kaz wore a squat suit, so i am not sure what you are talking about. eddie competed before all the big equipment came out, and still lifts single ply in an inzer hardcore which is pretty much garbage imo. getting yourself into a GM position when squatting is mechanics, i as well as others do it when we squat raw. I still have no clue what you are saying. If anything squat suits keep you more erect.

Bye the way how did how pretty you are even make it into this conversation. Does that somehow validate your point, because you have nice abs and have been on the cover of some magazine. And the "ya bitch, thats right", I am not even sure i can even take you seriously after that. Their are pics of me on the net, my real name is on this forum somewhere, i have nothing to hide from.
 
OH, and good luck with your football career, i wish you the best. You may be a world class athlete, you are just wrong on this topic, you are completely missing something somewhere when it comes to squatting and gear.
 
Throw2Far said:
Powerlifting has evolved and I am trying to explain to you that you could not have possibly gotten into this goodmorning position (which makes it easier to squat) without the squat suits that are now used.

Why do you keep talking about this "below parallel" bullshit... I never mentioned that he didn't go below parallel...
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OK, now i see what you are saying, and like i said prior, squat suits keep you out of that good morning position, not put you in it. Have you ever squatted in a suit?
 
just thought I'd mention that it is impossible to be perpendicular to the ground in the lowest portion of a squat without falling over.

simply physically impossible.
 
kethnaab said:
just thought I'd mention that it is impossible to be perpendicular to the ground in the lowest portion of a squat without falling over.

simply physically impossible.
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Maybe, but you can would be surprised at how close you can be in a canvas suit.
 
you criticized Coan's squatting

then you made reference to squat position in a canvas suit

I stated "Coan wasn't wearing a canvas suit"

that was my point.
 
Throw2Far said:
jcp2 post up a pic and then we'll see whos bullshitting... wait how bout i post up a pic of me on the cover of a magazine... will that do ? ?


Check my gallery... notice the same goatee and chain in all the pics? ya bitch... thats right...
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are you serious? you get into an arguement on the internet about someone's lift in a meet and that it wouldn't have been legal "in the days of yester years" and after you are made to look like the idiot that you are, you have to bust out with some shit about having a chain on around your skinny ass neck!?! get a life bro. why dont you post a video of you squattin?
 
Illuminati said:
are you serious? you get into an arguement on the internet about someone's lift in a meet and that it wouldn't have been legal "in the days of yester years" and after you are made to look like the idiot that you are, you have to bust out with some shit about having a chain on around your skinny ass neck!?! get a life bro. why dont you post a video of you squattin?
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lol thats funny... 280 ripped is skinny? post a pic of yourself, im curious...
 
kethnaab said:
you criticized Coan's squatting

then you made reference to squat position in a canvas suit

I stated "Coan wasn't wearing a canvas suit"

that was my point.
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This is what you said.
"just thought I'd mention that it is impossible to be perpendicular to the ground in the lowest portion of a squat without falling over.

simply physically impossible."

It makes no mention to Coan. Still not sure where you are going with any of this, or you just wanted to get yours in.
 
Throw2Far said:
Powerlifting has evolved and I am trying to explain to you that you could not have possibly gotten into this goodmorning position (which makes it easier to squat) without the squat suits that are now used.

Why do you keep talking about this "below parallel" bullshit... I never mentioned that he didn't go below parallel...
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i dunno about you but my GM is a lot less than my squat

ur pics could be stolen who knows or who cares since everyone wants to be black these days :rolleyes:
 
ya ur prolly one of those rich ass white boys that i go to college wit that think they are better than everyone. daddy payin for everything their whole life and never workin for shit. think they wanna be black... ok...
 
Kilograms don't equate directly into lbs. therefore the weird numbers dude.

It's the metric system, "God save the Queen!!!"
 
Chambewy20 said:
Kilograms don't equate directly into lbs. therefore the weird numbers dude.

It's the metric system, "God save the Queen!!!"
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Isn't part of it because they measure the weights after and find that the amounts are always a little off?
 
Tiervexx said:
Isn't part of it because they measure the weights after and find that the amounts are always a little off?
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That's part of it, also they have 1lb plates and the like so the combinations are just about limitless.

Cheers,
Scotsman
 
Sitting around reading about the Greats...
 
I have met Gary Frank multiple times and he is definitely an incredible guy. You wanna know how strong he is go and shake his hand. It feels like holding a piece of steel.
 
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