gallon of milk a day

[psychedout]

Well the old saying is your are what you eat...

So you can either call me a 'Chicken' or a 'Pussy'

 

[Deleted member 33117]

AAO, I haven't read the new one. Outline it. I follow my own diet, however it closely mirrors the old anabolic diet, having read the actualy diet.

 

[AgainstAllOdds]

BBF, here is what I know about The 2nd book of his -- I really don't know much, I was hoping you knew more.

Anabolic Solution for Bodybuilders:


* Mid-week carb up
* 100g carbs around workouts
* 100-200g daily

Here are the details about NHE.

Natural Hormonal Enhancement:


* High protein, moderate fat, low carb
* Carb up every 3rd day and 4th day (Wednesday and Sunday)
* Carb up should be the last two meals for each day -- you eat as many carbs as you can down which means very little protein fat just so you can eat more carbs
* Protein + Fat Preworkout and postworkout
* Carb up must be at least 70% starchy carbs
* Veggies are considered free for the low carb days unless eaten excessively -- so you aren't nutrient deprived
* Eat until full; don't limit yourself to a certain number of calories (Don't know if I agree with this)
* Can't have over 50g protein in one meal
* Eat at least every 4-5 hours; every 2 hours is optimal, but do not eat more than every 2 hours or there will be a bigger hormonal response that you do not want
* Workout three times weekly, max.

Both have a metabolic shift--under 20g carbs--for the 10 days or so.

 

[kentucky]

*only visits this thread for Tiger's av*

 

[Deleted member 33117]

AAO, I dislike the anabolic solution for bodbuilders, but it could have merit. It is similar to a CKD now that I look at what you typed. The NHE you described has possitive and negative aspects, looking at what you typed. I like the late night carb ups idea. If you are depleted, none of them will be stored as bodyfat, however you will get your supercompensatoin effect from carbing just after depleting, immediately before bed. This MIGHT optimize hormone levels, and glycogen stores during the time you actually grow (while sleeping). The 3 times per week workout is not so great. Having experimented with alot of training methods in the last 3 years, I find growth occurs much faster with frequint training. Of course I haven't found a system that didn't cause growth for at least a couple of months.

 

[AgainstAllOdds]

One thing I was wondering was about no postworkout carbs. I know his reasoning for no postworkout carbs -- his reasoning is that the fat burning state is more anti-catibolic than the sugar burning state--but if you take in carbs, then another meal later with fats wouldn't you go back to the fat burning state quickly?

I'm also not a big fan of only working out three times weekly, I'm going to try it though I think -- I'll just increase the volume per workout since it will be one body part each week.

I'm curious what do you do? I don't think I'm going to follow his advice about milk and start drinking that for carb ups.

Do you ever eat ice cream or anything else not exactly clean during the carb up period?

 

[Deleted member 33117]

AAO, I eat total crap sometimes during carbups. Actually I did that when dieting down for a show and got to 4% bf shreaded, and it isn't genetics. I'm naturally fat. I'm big on both pizza and ice cream when I really need a cheat day when carbing. Often times though, my carbups are very clean, however it doesn't appear to make any difference in my fat lose when cutting. Actually, the more calories I pack in during my carb up day, general the more weight I tend to lose the next week. Meaning, if I go light at eat 4000 cals, I might only lose 1 ibs during the next week, but if I pig out the next week and eat 8000-9000 cals during that day, I may drop 3 ibs the next, eating the same calories and doing the same routine during those 6 days following the carbup, as I did during the week I lost 1 ibs.

I train each body part 3 times a week currently, and am pleased with the results.

 

[AgainstAllOdds]

What's your split look like?

I'm training each body part only once a week, but around 16 sets for big muscles and slow ass tut, 10-12 for the smaller ones.

I get a huge pump, which I love, but more frequency and less volume per workout might be smarter.

The author of NHE thinks you won't get the hormonal benefits of exercise if you train more than three times weekly, he also likes low volume though which I absolutely despise.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

AAO, I do thighs, calves, and back on sunday/tuesday/thursday
chest, shoulders and arms on monday/wednesday/friday. I do 2-5 sets per bodypart. Tho I do almost exclusively stripping sets, drop sets and supersets/trisets, with no more than 30 seconds between any two sets for a given body part. My rep range varies alot from workout to workout.

 

[AgainstAllOdds]

So, in your opinion, the late night carb ups are good?

I don't think I'm going to follow NHE exactly, because I don't like the frequency of training and the no milk on carb ups.

I think I'm going to try this for a bulk:
*20-60g carbs daily
*2-2.5xbw protein protein
*50% calories from fat
*both pre/postworkout are fat+protein
*Carb up Sunday and Wednesday, the last 2 meals, ~250-300g carbs per meal

Maybe carbs should be higher for the carb up? I'm not sure about having fat postworkout either, I might have postworkout carbs.