First Cycle__Need Advice

[ggozen]

After some research and talk with a friend in the gym I decided to start doing my first cycle;

For the last 12 years I have lifted regularly and run twice a week as a part of my daily rotine. I'm using Whey, creatine and sometimes BCAA.

I am 35 yrs old, 6'3, 227 lbs, not know exactly but 14% BF estimated.

I never decided to use until now, trained so many years without knowing what is going on on the other side. I dont wanna go away without trying and seeing the results of steroids. If I wont try I will never know my limits...

My friend suggested the following;

9 week cycle;

Sustanon: Starting with 500mg sust/week gradually increasing to 750mg/week and in the end 250mg/week,

Primabolan: Starting with 100mg primo/week gradually increasing to 300mg/week and in the end 100mg/week,

Dianabol: Starting with 15mg dball/week gradually increasing to 75mg/week and in the end 5mg/week,

Proviron: Again gradually increasing and decreasing but not sure the about the dosage at the moment,

Tamoxifen: Again gradually increasing and decreasing but not sure the about the dosage at the moment,

After 9 weeks, 2 weeks PCT.

Any and all advice is much appreciated.

Thanks

 

[looking to lean]

Im near the same boat as you. new to the AAS area. what I can say from being around here a few months is you are looking at too many compounds for your first cycle.

Most here will tell you to keep it simple on your first cycle. Test only at 500mg/ml weekly injections for 12 weeks. with PCT of course. PCT being the most important part.

-no need to ramp up, use whatever you are going to use at a specific dose right from the start.

-use too many compounds and you wont being able to figure out what AAS are working best for you. try one the first time (probably test), then worry about multiple compounds on your next cycle.

-2 weeks PCT is probably not enough. 3-4 is probably 'safer'. u dont want to lose what you have just gained right?

-Nolva as your only PCT may not be enough. what about an AI during your cycle?

-READ READ READ. and when you are doing reading... go to bed, think about everything you just learned. wake up and read more... repeat for months..... years even.... THEN consider what AAS to implement.

this is all from one newb to the next.... once you start reading the HUGE amount of info that EF has to offer, you will become addicted to the knowledge you are taking in. I know I have. I have all my AAS ready for me when my mind catches up to my eagerness to juice.

Best of luck.......... but dont let luck have anything to do with it.

 

[raam]

After some research and talk with a friend in the gym I decided to start doing my first cycle;

For the last 12 years I have lifted regularly and run twice a week as a part of my daily rotine. I'm using Whey, creatine and sometimes BCAA.

I am 35 yrs old, 6'3, 227 lbs, not know exactly but 14% BF estimated.

I never decided to use until now, trained so many years without knowing what is going on on the other side. I dont wanna go away without trying and seeing the results of steroids. If I wont try I will never know my limits...

My friend suggested the following;

9 week cycle;

Sustanon: Starting with 500mg sust/week gradually increasing to 750mg/week and in the end 250mg/week,

Primabolan: Starting with 100mg primo/week gradually increasing to 300mg/week and in the end 100mg/week,

Dianabol: Starting with 15mg dball/week gradually increasing to 75mg/week and in the end 5mg/week,

Proviron: Again gradually increasing and decreasing but not sure the about the dosage at the moment,

Tamoxifen: Again gradually increasing and decreasing but not sure the about the dosage at the moment,

After 9 weeks, 2 weeks PCT.

Any and all advice is much appreciated.

Thanks

You have a solid base to start from by training naturaly for so many years. My suggetion would be to change your cycle some.

If you must run sust, do 500mg. a week for 10-12 weeker with no taper. Shoot EOD. Drop the primo, it's expensive and 300mg. is the bare minimum. An oral for first cycle is iffy. Don't get to cocky with you lifts and injure yourself. 25-30 mg for 3-4 weeks. Drop the proviron, you need a better anabolic. Nolva for pct 3 weeks after last shot. 40mg. week1, 20mg. week 2-4.

Here's how I'd run it.

week 1-4 dbol 25mg.
week 1-12 sust 500mg (test E would be better)
week 1-12 EQ or deca 400mg.

week 15-19 nolva (like I said above)

that's it.

 

[bilter]

l2L called it right. Ramping (both up and down is a waste of time). 500mg pw sust, with 20mg pd of nolva during (some prefer adex as an AI during cycle). PCT of 40mg nolva PD for 1 week then 20mg PD for 3 more. start pct 2 weeks after last shot. Proviron is not necessary but will make the test a little bit more effective, plus it will tell you if you are prone to mpb ;-). I would never run dbol more than 4 weeks and then just to kick off a cycle, but again its not needed here for cycle #1

 

[drrman]

After some research and talk with a friend in the gym I decided to start doing my first cycle;

For the last 12 years I have lifted regularly and run twice a week as a part of my daily rotine. I'm using Whey, creatine and sometimes BCAA.

I am 35 yrs old, 6'3, 227 lbs, not know exactly but 14% BF estimated.

I never decided to use until now, trained so many years without knowing what is going on on the other side. I dont wanna go away without trying and seeing the results of steroids. If I wont try I will never know my limits...

My friend suggested the following;

9 week cycle;

Sustanon: Starting with 500mg sust/week gradually increasing to 750mg/week and in the end 250mg/week,

Primabolan: Starting with 100mg primo/week gradually increasing to 300mg/week and in the end 100mg/week,

Dianabol: Starting with 15mg dball/week gradually increasing to 75mg/week and in the end 5mg/week,

Proviron: Again gradually increasing and decreasing but not sure the about the dosage at the moment,

Tamoxifen: Again gradually increasing and decreasing but not sure the about the dosage at the moment,

After 9 weeks, 2 weeks PCT.

Any and all advice is much appreciated.

Thanks

well, just to get started, Do not taper off the test in the end....not a good idea

next, 100mg-300mg primo is a complete and utter waste of time and juice, either up it to at least 600mg all the way or don't use it, and do NOT taper it up and down like that

actually do NOT taper up the dball like that either, and do not taper it down......and 75mg/day is WAY too much for you to be taking in any given single day.

do this

750mg sust/week first two weeks
500mg sust/week last 8 weeks
35-40mg dball/day first 4 weeks

and you can take proviron at 50mg/day throughout, would NOT taper it up and down either, and for the nolvadex only take it if you need it

now you need to get an anti estrogen in there and run it the entire time also

 

[immortalis]

These guys are pointing you in the right direction bro.

Congrats btw on the solid natural base you've built. Youre gonna blow your mind about 7-8 weeks into this cycle

Enjoy and be safe

 

[littleb]

^^ i agree with what drrman said bro, only thing i would personally change is i would run the sust at 500mg a week for the whole 10 weeks.. for a first cycle should be real good gains if diet and training in line...

 

[ggozen]

Thank you all
So I get the point that I will not taper up and down and I should research more and give attention to PCT.

raam
It is almost impossible for me to find Equipose or Deca. They are not sold in the pharmacies in my country. Sust,primo and the others are cheap and easy to get.

drrman
If primo is better to use at doses 600mg/week I can add to the cycle anyway.What do you suggest?
As anti estrogen I will use Tamoxifen for the entire time without tapering.As a note, I think I should learn more about PCT.

 

[blut wump]

As the man said, Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) should only be used as needed for gyno effects. You need an aromatase inhibitor not a serm to control excess oestrogen on-cycle. Look into AIFM, aromasin, arimidex.

 

[drrman]

Thank you all
So I get the point that I will not taper up and down and I should research more and give attention to PCT.

raam
It is almost impossible for me to find Equipose or Deca. They are not sold in the pharmacies in my country. Sust,primo and the others are cheap and easy to get.

drrman
If primo is better to use at doses 600mg/week I can add to the cycle anyway.What do you suggest?
As anti estrogen I will use Tamoxifen for the entire time without tapering.As a note, I think I should learn more about PCT.

blut wump nailed it......nolvadex will jsut target the breast tissue

as for primo, i wouldn't even use it for a first cycle if it were me, its way too expensive, its very mild also, and can have a bad effect on the hairline

i'd go with deca or eq