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First Cycle: Dbol only? Old School? True?

Good man for listening to the advice. I'm not a steroid guru, there's going to be thousands on here who are more knowledgeable than me, two of them being the gentlemen above. But I do have a sports science degree and have played rugby at professional level for several years so know my way around dieting and exercise.

First off, we are lucky. Tall guys tend to get first pick of the girls, tall muscular guys (who as you said are rare), top the lot. However, as said above, we need to eat a hell of a lot more to achieve what we want. I'll just list food groups and items that you should look to consume and a few that you should avoid.

Here comes the essay.

PROTEIN: Pretty obvious one. Muscles are made up primarily from protein building blocks called amino acids. Your muscles heal when amino acids and various other nutrients travel through your bloodstream into your muscles. Hence why protein is important. Rule of thumb is 1g of protein per pound of body weight. 1.5g if you are bulking. So as you are 207lbs you're looking at just over 310g of protein a day.

Eating 310g worth of protein a day through meat is going to make you a very poor man, so you'll need to integrate protein shakes into your diet on a regular basis. There's plenty of good tasting whey protein out there that offer different nutritional values at different prices. Find one that you enjoy and can afford.

Calorie intake is important, you've got to do what you're comfortable with. I've gone through bulking cycles where I eat nearly 8,000 calories a day. Not for the faint hearted, but anything upwards of 4,000 is going to be good enough for us tall guys.

As for food, you can find plenty of information on the internet about what you can eat but I'll give you a few examples.

Lean beef, eggs, fish/shellfish, tofu, lamb, pork, chicken, turkey.

CARBOHYDRATES: They break down as glucose which essentially fuels your body. This should be the bulk of your diet, about 2g per pound of body weight if you're bulking. You've got simple carbs and complex carbs. Complex carbs offer the best nutritional value, will keep you going for longer and are healthier for you than simple carbs. These have less nutritional value. Another thing to consider is to primarily eat carbs with a low glycemic index. These are slow releasing, which fuels your body for longer.

Examples of complex carbs with a low glycemic index are; brown rice, pasta, wholemeal bread, oats/porridge, sweet potatoes, FRUIT AND VEG (not many see these groups as carbohydrates, but they are and are extremely important in muscle development).

(GOOD) FATS: I say good because most people associate fats as being bad for you. Where as in reality there are many good fats that really help in muscle development and vitality. They assist in hormonal production, so with a good foundation of fat in your diet, your testosterone levels will be higher.

Examples of 'good' fats are, PEANUT BUTTER (I eat a shed load of this stuff, great bodybuilding food), olive oil, sunflower oil, avocados, olives, walnuts, tofu etc...

AVOID: You need to focus on what not to eat as well, especially if you're doing a clean bulk which I always recommend. It's simple, if it comes from a fast rood restaurant, don't touch it. If it comes out of a can (soda) don't touch it. Your body wants water, give it water because it's all it needs. You can use your common sense really. That isn't to say that you can never treat yourself every so often, enjoy what you're doing. Go out, have a few beers, have a burger and enjoy yourself every once in a while.

TRAINING:

This is the fun part, I've posted this in the past. It's my old pre season workout and never fails, gets you absolutely knackered. When you get to an advanced stage you're going to want to start isolating your major muscle groups and doing them on separate days because after a huge leg day, you're just not going to feel able to do anything else. Rest is important, your muscles grow in your sleep, not the gym. When you work out, your muscle fibers tear, when they repair they come back stronger, which is why people get bigger. Simple! But for now, use this or pick certain groups and set specific days to them.

3 sets per exercise.

Bench Press x 10-12 superset with Push ups x 20. Rest 1 minute.

Seated rows x 12 superset with Pull ups x 8. Rest 1 minute.

Leg press x 12 superset with lunges x 10 each leg. Rest 1 minute.

Dumbbell press x 12 superset with Lat Pull down x 10. Rest 1 minute.

Crunches x 15 superset with Leg raises x 10. Rest 1 minute.

Squat x 10 superset with Bridge (lie face down, elbows tucked in, backside up) x 45 seconds. Rest 1 minute.

Bicep curl x 15 superset with Triceps x 15. Rest 1 minute.

As far as the weight is concerned it depends on where you are at physically. Old school style is find your 1RM and lift do 3 sets at around 70% of that. But do what you're comfortable with. As I said, rest is important. So 3-4 times a week is all you should be doing for now. If you feel you can go every single day then up the weight.

This took me a solid 30 minutes to write out so I hope you appreciate it! Good luck.

This is an excellent post !!^^
 
I'll be quick.

D-bol is my favorite steroid.

12 weeks is too long to use it.

If your goal is to become a "monster" by using steroids you're too immature to be doing steroids.
 
Thank you alot red field! I know I sound like a newbie but I spend all day reading through forums at work and this is all I think about! I'm not saying I want to be a bodybuilder doing competitions I just want to get as big as I can get, redfield size or someone like dwayne Johnson if you know who he is! It is true I do neglect legs which I have changed already which should give a good release of test for my upper body growth as well! I think maybe my first goal should be 100kg? Then forwards from there? I train 5 days a week split chest/tri. Back/bi. Legs/deadlift. Shoulders/abs. Then overall high rep session. I eat 4-5 meals a day probably not enough? Have shakes morning and night 600kcal in each with 30g protein in each!
 
Thank you alot red field! I know I sound like a newbie but I spend all day reading through forums at work and this is all I think about! I'm not saying I want to be a bodybuilder doing competitions I just want to get as big as I can get, redfield size or someone like dwayne Johnson if you know who he is! It is true I do neglect legs which I have changed already which should give a good release of test for my upper body growth as well! I think maybe my first goal should be 100kg? Then forwards from there? I train 5 days a week split chest/tri. Back/bi. Legs/deadlift. Shoulders/abs. Then overall high rep session. I eat 4-5 meals a day probably not enough? Have shakes morning and night 600kcal in each with 30g protein in each!

You're more than welcome. Yeah, it's important to set realistic goals. It can be a bit frustrating thinking that your gains will come slower naturally but it's worth it in the long run. 100kg is a good target so aim for it and take it from there. When you're trying to bulk you want to be doing explosive, high weight, low rep exercises. Endurance is essentially maintaining and refining your muscles whereas strength is the opposite. 4-5 meals a day is fine, just make sure you're eating enough during those meals and that the stuff you're putting down your throat is beneficial to you. The shakes I use contain about 60g of protein and I have one when I wake up, one post work out, one with dinner and one before bed.

Just try and get your diet in check, eat enough of the right food, stick to a good workout regime and get enough sleep. If you follow all of that you'll see the gains in no time. Good luck buddy.

P.S If you need any advice whilst you're bulking or want to ask a question, feel free to PM me. I'm happy to help.
 
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Good man for listening to the advice. I'm not a steroid guru, there's going to be thousands on here who are more knowledgeable than me, two of them being the gentlemen above. But I do have a sports science degree and have played rugby at professional level for several years so know my way around dieting and exercise.

First off, we are lucky. Tall guys tend to get first pick of the girls, tall muscular guys (who as you said are rare), top the lot. However, as said above, we need to eat a hell of a lot more to achieve what we want. I'll just list food groups and items that you should look to consume and a few that you should avoid.

Here comes the essay.

PROTEIN: Pretty obvious one. Muscles are made up primarily from protein building blocks called amino acids. Your muscles heal when amino acids and various other nutrients travel through your bloodstream into your muscles. Hence why protein is important. Rule of thumb is 1g of protein per pound of body weight. 1.5g if you are bulking. So as you are 207lbs you're looking at just over 310g of protein a day.

Eating 310g worth of protein a day through meat is going to make you a very poor man, so you'll need to integrate protein shakes into your diet on a regular basis. There's plenty of good tasting whey protein out there that offer different nutritional values at different prices. Find one that you enjoy and can afford.

Calorie intake is important, you've got to do what you're comfortable with. I've gone through bulking cycles where I eat nearly 8,000 calories a day. Not for the faint hearted, but anything upwards of 4,000 is going to be good enough for us tall guys.

As for food, you can find plenty of information on the internet about what you can eat but I'll give you a few examples.

Lean beef, eggs, fish/shellfish, tofu, lamb, pork, chicken, turkey.

CARBOHYDRATES: They break down as glucose which essentially fuels your body. This should be the bulk of your diet, about 2g per pound of body weight if you're bulking. You've got simple carbs and complex carbs. Complex carbs offer the best nutritional value, will keep you going for longer and are healthier for you than simple carbs. These have less nutritional value. Another thing to consider is to primarily eat carbs with a low glycemic index. These are slow releasing, which fuels your body for longer.

Examples of complex carbs with a low glycemic index are; brown rice, pasta, wholemeal bread, oats/porridge, sweet potatoes, FRUIT AND VEG (not many see these groups as carbohydrates, but they are and are extremely important in muscle development).

(GOOD) FATS: I say good because most people associate fats as being bad for you. Where as in reality there are many good fats that really help in muscle development and vitality. They assist in hormonal production, so with a good foundation of fat in your diet, your testosterone levels will be higher.

Examples of 'good' fats are, PEANUT BUTTER (I eat a shed load of this stuff, great bodybuilding food), olive oil, sunflower oil, avocados, olives, walnuts, tofu etc...

AVOID: You need to focus on what not to eat as well, especially if you're doing a clean bulk which I always recommend. It's simple, if it comes from a fast rood restaurant, don't touch it. If it comes out of a can (soda) don't touch it. Your body wants water, give it water because it's all it needs. You can use your common sense really. That isn't to say that you can never treat yourself every so often, enjoy what you're doing. Go out, have a few beers, have a burger and enjoy yourself every once in a while.

TRAINING:

This is the fun part, I've posted this in the past. It's my old pre season workout and never fails, gets you absolutely knackered. When you get to an advanced stage you're going to want to start isolating your major muscle groups and doing them on separate days because after a huge leg day, you're just not going to feel able to do anything else. Rest is important, your muscles grow in your sleep, not the gym. When you work out, your muscle fibers tear, when they repair they come back stronger, which is why people get bigger. Simple! But for now, use this or pick certain groups and set specific days to them.

3 sets per exercise.

Bench Press x 10-12 superset with Push ups x 20. Rest 1 minute.

Seated rows x 12 superset with Pull ups x 8. Rest 1 minute.

Leg press x 12 superset with lunges x 10 each leg. Rest 1 minute.

Dumbbell press x 12 superset with Lat Pull down x 10. Rest 1 minute.

Crunches x 15 superset with Leg raises x 10. Rest 1 minute.

Squat x 10 superset with Bridge (lie face down, elbows tucked in, backside up) x 45 seconds. Rest 1 minute.

Bicep curl x 15 superset with Triceps x 15. Rest 1 minute.

As far as the weight is concerned it depends on where you are at physically. Old school style is find your 1RM and do 3 sets at around 70% of that. But do what you're comfortable with. As I said, rest is important. So 3-4 times a week is all you should be doing for now. If you feel you can go every single day then up the weight.

This took me a solid 30 minutes to write out so I hope you appreciate it! Good luck.

Sorry to interrupt but just wanted to comment on the quality of this post. My girlfriend is a dietitian and personal trainer, had a look at what you wrote and she kicked off. Simply because she would charge people money for the information you gave! Good work mate, I'm glad I found this forum because there's a lot of informed people on here giving out really useful advice! Moderator material I think! Thank you.
 
Sorry to interrupt but just wanted to comment on the quality of this post. My girlfriend is a dietitian and personal trainer, had a look at what you wrote and she kicked off. Simply because she would charge people money for the information you gave! Good work mate, I'm glad I found this forum because there's a lot of informed people on here giving out really useful advice! Moderator material I think! Thank you.

I appreciate your words pal, but honestly that information is pretty straight forward. If people look hard enough they can find most of this stuff out for themselves on the internet. If your gf charges people for this then I need a change of career!
 
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