FINA in hand. First cycle. 3 questions.

[nickidaho]

50mg a day

Add test e at 500 mg per week,

don't do fina for more than 5 weeks.

Ok, was thinking :
6 wks tren.
9-10 wks test prop.

Why test e? wont I be fine with test prop?

 

[blut wump]

What happened to the posts saying he's not ready. Everything else in this thread is besides the point. Go learn to eat and train to grow some muscle, man. Spend some time on the diet and training forums until you've packed another 30 or 40 pounds onto your frame. At that stage you'll run gear fruitfully and know how to retain your gains and continue to build on them between cycles.

I've yet to read of anyone running tren for a first cycle and then saying that they're glad they saved test for later. Equally, I've seen guys run tren-only cycles and be happy with their gains. As I've posted in the past, some guys can run pretty much what they choose and get zero to negligable sides; others spend entire cycles just managing sides. A big part of running gear is gaining the experience to be sensitive to your body and when it's malfunctioning. Whilst running test might not prepare you for tren sides, it will prepare you not to panic when your body starts to feel unusual. Research is all about preparing yourself for what might go wrong.

The good thing about a simple test-only cycle is that it's fairly forgiving. Recovery is relatively easy for almost everyone and simply an anti-E, such as AIFM, will be adequate for pretty much anyone if the test dosage is light to middling.

Regarding HCG, it is suppressive in and of itself. Many think of it as being a part of PCT since they run it in that window between last injection and esters clearing. If you run HCG when using short esters then there should be overlap. If you run a long cycle then it can help to take HCG during the cycle. Chronic atrophy is not good for body-parts.

 

[nickidaho]

What happened to the posts saying he's not ready. Everything else in this thread is besides the point. Go learn to eat and train to grow some muscle, man. Spend some time on the diet and training forums until you've packed another 30 or 40 pounds onto your frame. At that stage you'll run gear fruitfully and know how to retain your gains and continue to build on them between cycles.

I've yet to read of anyone running tren for a first cycle and then saying that they're glad they saved test for later. Equally, I've seen guys run tren-only cycles and be happy with their gains. As I've posted in the past, some guys can run pretty much what they choose and get zero to negligable sides; others spend entire cycles just managing sides. A big part of running gear is gaining the experience to be sensitive to your body and when it's malfunctioning. Whilst running test might not prepare you for tren sides, it will prepare you not to panic when your body starts to feel unusual. Research is all about preparing yourself for what might go wrong.

The good thing about a simple test-only cycle is that it's fairly forgiving. Recovery is relatively easy for almost everyone and simply an anti-E, such as AIFM, will be adequate for pretty much anyone if the test dosage is light to middling.

Regarding HCG, it is suppressive in and of itself. Many think of it as being a part of PCT since they run it in that window between last injection and esters clearing. If you run HCG when using short esters then there should be overlap. If you run a long cycle then it can help to take HCG during the cycle. Chronic atrophy is not good for body-parts.

Dude, i dont even k now what to say. . . have you seen my pic?????

There is no way I am going to put on another 30-40 lbs!!!! I wouldnt even want to, I am 5' 9" - 5' 10" dude. And if so, it would take YEARS AND YEARS, no joke, of intense training and eating. Now Im sure, in a perfect world, that is what you would reccommend. Did you even read my first post[/B], I am only looking to put on another 7-10 lbs in the first place. I am almost wondering if that is a typo.

The rest of the info is informative, and I dont plan on HCG only because it does seem so controversial. I think chlom, nolva, and aifm. (If I am to do both test and tren).

Thanks

 

[blut wump]

Yes I saw your picture, I think you could benefit much more from the diet and training forums than from gear at this time. Those 7-10 pounds should be easy meat at your current development.

It's best always to run HCG with a cycle of a nandrolone or nandrolone derivative and nolva, while many do run it, is not recommended after a nandrolone. If you run tren and test together, make sure that you're as prepared for prolactin issues as for oestrogen issues. Enjoy your cycle.

 

[SwolK]

You just stated it right in your post yourself smart guy. Tren does not give the sames sides as other AAS. So why in the world would taking test only give someone any fucking clue as to what their reaction to tren is going to be. Jesus, seriously. Cycle for another 10 years and then get back to me. Actually don't bother, just stay small like you are.

Man, wtf is your problem?

As I stated, yes, tren and test do give different sides. generally, tren sides are harsher than test sides....yes, i said generally.

So, for a newb it makes sense to start out with something a little less harsh than Tren.

btw, I have had 6 surguries in the past 5 years. I do not claim to be big, but I do think that I look good considering what I have gone through. So FUCK you for attacking me

 

[nickidaho]

Yes I saw your picture, I think you could benefit much more from the diet and training forums than from gear at this time. Those 7-10 pounds should be easy meat at your current development.

It's best always to run HCG with a cycle of a nandrolone or nandrolone derivative and nolva, while many do run it, is not recommended after a nandrolone. If you run tren and test together, make sure that you're as prepared for prolactin issues as for oestrogen issues. Enjoy your cycle.

Aright, I am seriously looking into the diet and training forums now and will consider all that you said. Thanks for taking the time to write back Blut Wump. What in the hell does that mean anyway. Lol.
Thanks dude, Nick

 

[lifthard2005]

WTF??

I dont even know where to start...

Not sure why no one has told you that Fina only for a first cycle (or any cycle) sucks.

obviously you need to read and research because with what you have said you are going to do nothing positive for yourself.

3500 cals is not enough for a bulking cycle.

A first cycle should be something simple like Test E at 400-500mg for 10 weeks

use an AI and finish with PCT.

So unless you want gyno (bitch tits), a limp dick, and be shutdown for a while, i suggust you do a lot more research!!

Im not trying to be a dick, but you need to be set staight before you hurt yourself. I seriously cant believe Im the first one to say this...

BTW, I dont see your pic. dont need to. by the info you gave and the knowledge that you lack it is obvious you are not nearly ready.

BTW, Fina is Tren. --should not be run alone, or for first cycle

I agree here. Tren should not be used until cycle 4-5 at the least. From looking at your photo, you need some size to play with so that the tren can reveal and bring into detail your definition and shit. First cycles should always be test, whether it be 500mg/wk or 1g / wk for 10 weeks. dbol shouldnt even be used since it will not be needed for a first cycle, espeically test. Tren is a powerful steroid and its sides can be bad enough to make someone very sick and feel like theyre dying. Tightness in the chest, hard to breath full breaths, insomnia, sweats, etc.....are you ready for this, because without test they will seem alot worse man.

have you thought about possible gyno? how to fight it? Because if your thinking Nolva, WRONG!!! Nolva can not be used with nandrolones. Nolva upreguklates the PgR making gyno almost a definate issue ahead. How do you plan on keeping Prolactin under control? I know you doses arent through the roof, but you dont even know how your going to react to tren, so be proactive and have cabergoline/dostinex on hands for this.

IMO drop the tren and this whole cycle. Run test for 10 weeks between 750mg-1000mg/wk. your first cycle will always be where you gain the most and seeing your pic you need it bro (no offense). Get some Test and an AI like Aromasin or AIFM and have fun!

 

[nickidaho]

I agree here. Tren should not be used until cycle 4-5 at the least. From looking at your photo, you need some size to play with so that the tren can reveal and bring into detail your definition and shit. First cycles should always be test, whether it be 500mg/wk or 1g / wk for 10 weeks. dbol shouldnt even be used since it will not be needed for a first cycle, espeically test. Tren is a powerful steroid and its sides can be bad enough to make someone very sick and feel like theyre dying. Tightness in the chest, hard to breath full breaths, insomnia, sweats, etc.....are you ready for this, because without test they will seem alot worse man.

have you thought about possible gyno? how to fight it? Because if your thinking Nolva, WRONG!!! Nolva can not be used with nandrolones. Nolva upreguklates the PgR making gyno almost a definate issue ahead. How do you plan on keeping Prolactin under control? I know you doses arent through the roof, but you dont even know how your going to react to tren, so be proactive and have cabergoline/dostinex on hands for this.

IMO drop the tren and this whole cycle. Run test for 10 weeks between 750mg-1000mg/wk. your first cycle will always be where you gain the most and seeing your pic you need it bro (no offense). Get some Test and an AI like Aromasin or AIFM and have fun!

ARIGHT, FINE. You guys win. I'll do test... test prop.

Ok, so what dosage. Do you think 750-1k is too much?

I will be eating like a mother. Could you give me a final cycle layout?

10 wks test prop (at ________ dosage/wk, EOD?

AIFM? Like 2 pumps x3/day ?

Thanks , Nick

 

[beefcake28]

What happened to the posts saying he's not ready. Everything else in this thread is besides the point. Go learn to eat and train to grow some muscle, man. Spend some time on the diet and training forums until you've packed another 30 or 40 pounds onto your frame. At that stage you'll run gear fruitfully and know how to retain your gains and continue to build on them between cycles.

I've yet to read of anyone running tren for a first cycle and then saying that they're glad they saved test for later. Equally, I've seen guys run tren-only cycles and be happy with their gains. As I've posted in the past, some guys can run pretty much what they choose and get zero to negligable sides; others spend entire cycles just managing sides. A big part of running gear is gaining the experience to be sensitive to your body and when it's malfunctioning. Whilst running test might not prepare you for tren sides, it will prepare you not to panic when your body starts to feel unusual. Research is all about preparing yourself for what might go wrong.

The good thing about a simple test-only cycle is that it's fairly forgiving. Recovery is relatively easy for almost everyone and simply an anti-E, such as AIFM, will be adequate for pretty much anyone if the test dosage is light to middling.

Regarding HCG, it is suppressive in and of itself. Many think of it as being a part of PCT since they run it in that window between last injection and esters clearing. If you run HCG when using short esters then there should be overlap. If you run a long cycle then it can help to take HCG during the cycle. Chronic atrophy is not good for body-parts.

I'll second this. I've done several cycles... but, in the long run, I was happy that I waited a while till I knew that I had reached my natural potential before hitting the juice. It isn't easy. But, after you truly go through the hard work of gaining as much as possible naturally, you'll respect the gains from the juice so much more.

Either way, save the Tren for a later cycle...