FINA in hand. First cycle. 3 questions.

[SwolK]

every word or swolks post is true. Nickidaho, if you really want to sauce (which I completely understand) at least start with something with less sides. I've seen guys get permanent sides off that shit. For a first cycle you are much better off with 500-600mg of test for 10-14 weeks (sust, omna, enanth, cyp) watever you can get but go with a longer lasting ester. See how your body does on this...and go from there. Jumping into something like tren right away is not a good idea. Trust everybody that says test is king.

thank God. another person that sees some sense. K to ya.

If this was a couple of years ago, or even 6 monts ago, there would be 30 knowledgable vets in the thead giving good advice. bottom line, Tren does not give the same sides as other AAS. and if you think all the sides are the same, you are not very knowledgable. The sides it does give that are the same, are much, much stronger. Ive been cycling for over 5 years. Just started my first run with Tren a week ago. Tren, Test E.

Im only a week into it, and can say that I am glad to say that I have waited to use Tren.

Some people have a very hard recovery even off test, so if you have a hard time recovering off of test, Tren may be a horrible recovery. That is one reason to start with Test.

damn, I can see why all the vets have moved on. no one here listens to the people that know what they are talking about. so they left. now we are stuck with a bunch of guys that kind of know what they are talking about, then they try to pass their knowledge, or lack there of, to the other newbs

 

[mm107]

Again, I will restate and I don't care if I get flamed. DON'T USE HCG FOR PCT!! Use it mid-cycle if anything. It is one of the most common mistakes made so as I said I don't blame anyone for thinking that this is the way to go. Research some on HPTA suppression and if you put logic and science togethere you will realize that HCG in PCT is making it harder for you to recover. Nolva or clomid, preferablly Nolva in PCT. If HCG is used throughout your cycle along with your test and tren, when you are done with the AAS your body will bounce back much faster. So in a sense it helps with PCT but should not be used during your actual PCT. It is a good preparer for PCT while "on". Read this thread and you might understand a little more.
http://www.anabolex.com/forums/showthread.php?t=475

dude, i dont even know what to reply. HRT DOCS prescribe HCG to steroid users at 500-1000 i.u/day after cycle.....

what makes u say that?

i also need studies and not another thread full of people

 

[Sam5]

dude, i dont even know what to reply. HRT DOCS prescribe HCG to steroid users at 500-1000 i.u/day after cycle.....

what makes u say that?

i also need studies and not another thread full of people

You guys do what you believe is right and I'll do what I know is right. My progress speaks for itself. And as far as tren sides,...doing a cycle of test is not going to clue you in on how you are going to respond to test, they work in the body differently. The only wawy your going to know if you like tren or if you respond badly to it is to try it. PERIOD!! I'm not going to waste my time going through site after site to find you proof. I've gotten this info from guy's that were on NPC national levels that are friends of mine from college. I see it is how they do things and I really don't give a flying fuck what your disagreement is, I doubt you're on their level.
I really understand why I left these boards six-seven years ago. This board, as is all the others, is full of non-believing, argumentative, pseudo-intellectual, know it alls, that when they get some conflicting info they flame and think THEY know everything. Very rarely do I see a post that is a new topic to me nor one that makes any good sense. Have fun being fucking small, but yet KNOWING EVERYTHING smart guys!! Ya'll must really be the envy of your gym. Oh yea, and you go ahead and use 1000 iu's a day of HCG smart guy and get back to me on that. I guarantee you won't do it again. LMFAO!!

 

[Sam5]

thank God. another person that sees some sense. K to ya.

If this was a couple of years ago, or even 6 monts ago, there would be 30 knowledgable vets in the thead giving good advice. bottom line, Tren does not give the same sides as other AAS. and if you think all the sides are the same, you are not very knowledgable. The sides it does give that are the same, are much, much stronger. Ive been cycling for over 5 years. Just started my first run with Tren a week ago. Tren, Test E.

Im only a week into it, and can say that I am glad to say that I have waited to use Tren.

Some people have a very hard recovery even off test, so if you have a hard time recovering off of test, Tren may be a horrible recovery. That is one reason to start with Test.

damn, I can see why all the vets have moved on. no one here listens to the people that know what they are talking about. so they left. now we are stuck with a bunch of guys that kind of know what they are talking about, then they try to pass their knowledge, or lack there of, to the other newbs

You just stated it right in your post yourself smart guy. Tren does not give the sames sides as other AAS. So why in the world would taking test only give someone any fucking clue as to what their reaction to tren is going to be. Jesus, seriously. Cycle for another 10 years and then get back to me. Actually don't bother, just stay small like you are.

 

[sofakingdel]

watever you can get but go with a longer lasting ester. See how your body does on this...and go from there. Jumping into something like tren right away is not a good idea. Trust everybody that says test is king.

i'm not a guru or anything but dont you mean short acting esther, just incase he has a bad reaction to the juice and it will be out of his system quicker?

 

[sofakingdel]

where's ulter, somebody straighten this post out, b4 this guy takes tren on his 1st cycle and gets himself on the 11 o'clock news for strangling somebody, then blames it in roid rage.

 

[Muscle Overkill]

People don't start out shooting heroin they start off smokin weed and drinking beer and work there way up. Steroids should be done the same way. I think anyone who starts off with test or tren is making a BIG mistake. Start off with anabolics like eq,deca,winstrol,anavar, etc.The weak drugs and work up to the strong shit. My oppinion on steroids if your not competeing only use juice in the summertime to show off ( thats why most of us take them Hey look at me Im buff lol )because in my oppinion you just crash and loose most of the muscle. I hear all the time on this board oh retained 80% of what I gained but they were only off for 2 months. Thats not long enough to really crash. Stay off 4-5 months and that 80% is now 40%, if you are lucky. Everybody is different but I get insane gains off the sauce but just crash when I'm done. Sorry to make a short story long but start off with anabolics and leave the androgens alone for when anabolics don't cut it anymore.

 

[nickidaho]

People don't start out shooting heroin they start off smokin weed and drinking beer and work there way up. Steroids should be done the same way. I think anyone who starts off with test or tren is making a BIG mistake. Start off with anabolics like eq,deca,winstrol,anavar, etc.The weak drugs and work up to the strong shit. My oppinion on steroids if your not competeing only use juice in the summertime to show off ( thats why most of us take them Hey look at me Im buff lol )because in my oppinion you just crash and loose most of the muscle. I hear all the time on this board oh retained 80% of what I gained but they were only off for 2 months. Thats not long enough to really crash. Stay off 4-5 months and that 80% is now 40%, if you are lucky. Everybody is different but I get insane gains off the sauce but just crash when I'm done. Sorry to make a short story long but start off with anabolics and leave the androgens alone for when anabolics don't cut it anymore.

OMFG, ok... now im just confused by all this shit. The worst part is that I DONT KNOW WHO TO LISTEN TO AND WHO KNOWS THEIR SHIT BEST.

As far as I can tell, SAM5 seems to be pretty knowledgeable, Slyder190 seems pretty level-headed, Armo understanding, Unclesam positive and helpful, Swolk is just plain argumentative, although I do appreciate his feedback, MM107 has never done tren, as far as I can tell, and Danymal04 also seems knowledgeable all around.

The guy with Macguyver as his pic also seems to know his shit, is he a mod? I try to take most everything on the internet with a grain of salt simply because you never know who the people are out there.

Guess Ill just have to swallow everything whole and regergetate a final ruling, thanks guys. Also, it sucks to hear that alot of the knowledgeable vets left this board. Hopefully some of you are still aroud listening to my bullshit.
Nick

 

[nickidaho]

And SAM5 just left this site. he seemed pretty cool too.! uuurg...

 

[solidspine]

50mg a day

Add test e at 500 mg per week,

don't do fina for more than 5 weeks.