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Epi (havoc) + Osta SARMS log

weksauce

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Starting my 1st AAS cycle, epistane Havoc, in 2 days.

30mg for 30 days

PCT
nolva 20/20/10/10
Osta Sarms 25/25/25/25

The goal is to gain 10 lbs muscle, and keep as much as possible while experiencing as few side effects as possible.

Will be taking the 10mg caps 8hrs apart
Just set an alarm to go off every day, 3x / day.
(the point is to keep blood level stable, none of this 1 in the morning, 2 before workout $hit, people doing that dont understand how drugs work...)

6'2" 171 lb male, <15% bf (never measured properly, i've always had a six-pack, skinny-strong / hard-gainer body)

Lifting
last summer I ate and lifted heavy, got my weight to 181 lb, benching 265 lb.
this cycle will be focusing on deadlifts, pullups, arnold presses, and squats, not focusing on number of pounds, but just get a good single set to failure - meaning heavy weights, to trigger as much lean muscle mass growth as possible.

I lift 2 exercises x 1 set x 8 rep (to failure), 2x / d, 5d / wk
(this means 4 exercises / day)

Diet:
Cycloketogenic diet for last 3.5 yrs. I've been between 168 and 181 lb, depending on how much I eat and how heavy I lift.

1 wk ago, i added 1 steak/porkchop + 3-5 eggs, morning and night. This is an additional 1000+ calories of high-quality protein and fat on top of my maintenance diet. I expect to gain .5-1 lb over this week, and kickstart metabolism.

For 1 wk, I've also upped my water to 1+ gallon per day to establish the habit, because drinking extra water is very important for helping your liver process methylated, liver-straining drugs like epi.

I have 100 caps of 1g taurine. Taking 2-3g / day to prevent back pumps.

Nolvadex for PCT.

Any veterans' ideas welcome, as this is my first cycle. I think I have everything lined up based on my research, and with my food, gaining 10+ lbs muscle should be a breeze. The difficult part of the cycle is how much gain can I keep post-cycle, and can I do this without experiencing negative side effects.
 
I'd switch up your pct dont use nolvadex. Do a little more research on your pct. So you will be more likely to keep the gains you put on.
 
will be following. let us know how you feel the osta worked in pct
 
Day 3: Retaining more water in muscles, and feeling good. Eating like a horse. Will weigh today.

I'd up the dose to 45 after a few weeks and run it 5-6 weeks for best results, ideally 6. Throw a test booster and forma in your pct. Nolva isn't necessary IMO
 
Good to see some people following!

I thought that noone was following because I'm a newb to the forum.

I kept a journal offline, which I'll update:

Day 4: weighed 175
I weighed on 2 scales at 172 before the cycle, so all weighings are averages on 2 scales, at roughly the same time of day, with roughly the same water/meals in my body.

Day 5 175 lb, squats!

Day 6
Aching pumps from washing dishes, or playing DJ Diddles.

sex 4 times in ~12 hrs (usual), very little fluid 4th time (unusual)
Based on bloodwork of other epi users, shutdown of testosterone is extreme, decimating natural production within 3-4 days.
Based on experiences written in other epi logs, drive is fine for first 2-3 weeks, then some users experience drive shutdown in last week or two.

Day 8: Weighed 176 lbs, I can see how 13-17 lbs in 30 days is possible when epi is fed properly. To be fair, most of this gain is water and fat, as I'm adding carbs on non-Saturdays for the first time in 3.5 years. I've introduced English Muffins smothered in butter along with the morning steak and eggs, and 1 bag of Lays potato chips as a snack 5 days per week.

lifted heavier weight in Arnold Presses
squats pulls and cleans still light

Perhaps I'm feeling some back pumps? Upped daily taurine from 2 to 3 g.

Played basketball and noticed ~1" increase in vertical, no noticeable change in stamina or strength.


General observation: Epi makes you thirsty. Drink 1-1.5 gal water per day to help your system, and just to slake your thirst.


Why are you guys suggesting no nolva? Epi shuts down natural test production. I don't think SARMs will replenish natural testosterone production alone. My understanding of SARMs is they hit the receptors in muscles without affecting the test production, so as natural test production is nursed back (greatly accelerated by nolva), the muscle receptors remain "on" cycle.
 
Also, alot of naysayers will tell you nolva won't work. There are definitely better options. I had great success with testopro and clomid. I'd swap your nolva with clomid at 25mg/ day for 4 weeks. If all you can get is nolva, then just use that at 20 Mgs a day for 3-4 weeks and i would look into a natty test booster too on top of that. You will recover fine like that
 
a lot of people claim upwards of 10 lean pounds on 6 week cycles of epi with a CLEAN diet.
Interested to see how you do on this run.
 
Hi dangerboy,

Breakfast:
4-6 eggs, piece of pork or steak, english muffin or bagel dripping in butter

Lunch:
Ziploc container of homecooked lentils + beef/pork/chicken + broccoli + peppers + mixed vegetables

Snacks throughout day:
Popcorn (morning, in bag, with white cheddar flavor that is basically whey protein)
Popcorn (evening, homecooked bowl, 1/2 stick of butter, olive oil)
Scavenged Full Meals (corporate leftovers from catered meetings like BBQ, chicken, chinese food, assorted meat+vegetables extra meals 3+ days per week)
1/3 - 1/2 lb peanuts (sitting at my desk, I inhale peanuts between meals)
occasionally almonds

Dinner:
6-8 eggs, piece of pork or steak, english muffin dripping in butter

This is basically the classic Eugene Sandow steak and eggs diet, plus lots of peanuts and butter
There were no carbs of any sort other than lentils and nuts prior to the cycle, so I know some of my weight is water retention due to adding 'white carbos' like english muffins.
 
Also, alot of naysayers will tell you nolva won't work. There are definitely better options. I had great success with testopro and clomid. I'd swap your nolva with clomid at 25mg/ day for 4 weeks. If all you can get is nolva, then just use that at 20 Mgs a day for 3-4 weeks and i would look into a natty test booster too on top of that. You will recover fine like that

Clomid is once a week right? I thought the half Life was 6-7 days

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using EliteFitness
 
Good to see some people following!

I thought that noone was following because I'm a newb to the forum.

I kept a journal offline, which I'll update:

Day 4: weighed 175
I weighed on 2 scales at 172 before the cycle, so all weighings are averages on 2 scales, at roughly the same time of day, with roughly the same water/meals in my body.

Day 5 175 lb, squats!

Day 6
Aching pumps from washing dishes, or playing DJ Diddles.

sex 4 times in ~12 hrs (usual), very little fluid 4th time (unusual)
Based on bloodwork of other epi users, shutdown of testosterone is extreme, decimating natural production within 3-4 days.
Based on experiences written in other epi logs, drive is fine for first 2-3 weeks, then some users experience drive shutdown in last week or two.

Day 8: Weighed 176 lbs, I can see how 13-17 lbs in 30 days is possible when epi is fed properly. To be fair, most of this gain is water and fat, as I'm adding carbs on non-Saturdays for the first time in 3.5 years. I've introduced English Muffins smothered in butter along with the morning steak and eggs, and 1 bag of Lays potato chips as a snack 5 days per week.

lifted heavier weight in Arnold Presses
squats pulls and cleans still light

Perhaps I'm feeling some back pumps? Upped daily taurine from 2 to 3 g.

Played basketball and noticed ~1" increase in vertical, no noticeable change in stamina or strength.


General observation: Epi makes you thirsty. Drink 1-1.5 gal water per day to help your system, and just to slake your thirst.


Why are you guys suggesting no nolva? Epi shuts down natural test production. I don't think SARMs will replenish natural testosterone production alone. My understanding of SARMs is they hit the receptors in muscles without affecting the test production, so as natural test production is nursed back (greatly accelerated by nolva), the muscle receptors remain "on" cycle.

Other people may have already said this, but you can never hear it enough times. Nolva has been shown to be more dangerous and harmful than its worth. It targets Estrogen at the tissues instead of at the pituitary which is why it is a great breast cancer treatment, but not a great PCT supplement.

If youre going to use a SERMS I would use Clomid instead.

Also, if you haven't purchased your OSTA yet, I would highly recommend Sarmssearch. Board Sponsor and my personal go-to; highest quality and purity available.
 
@liffalot ok, ty for giving more specific information on nolva/clomid, much more helpful.

I have purchased already, from ss, however, it's still in the mail...
 
Day 13
Lifted really hard, so exhausted, unlike I have ever been since I was a child. I could not sit up nor keep my eyes open past 11pm on a Saturday night.

Day 14
Played soccer in the sun

Day 15
I'm always dehydrated Mondays after Sunday soccer (even before epi) It seems no matter how much water I drink Sunday, it doesn't 'stick', and I wake up dehydrated Monday morning, and rehydrate throughout the morning. Today was the same.

I weighed myself in the morning: 178.9 lb

Continued hydrating and eating, and by end of day, weighed 182 (verified on both scales, one was about 182.1, other 182.5)

The 10lb line has been crossed!

Workout
I read some good weightlifting books over the weekend, including Arnold's encyclopedia. Another book, called Starting Strength by Mark Rippetoe, places great emphasis on form for the primary lifts. I discovered weaknesses in my squatting form, and quite easily lifted much heavier than I have in years. Next time in the gym I will lift even heavier because I just discovered how to squat effectively.

Arnold presses have gone from struggling with 30lb dumbbells to 45lb dumbbells being easy.

I'm going to read the rest of Starting Strength and maybe go crush some more PRs later this week.=)
 
Day 16
Ate a MASSIVE lunch, and
Weighed 185! (185.1 on scale #1, 185.5 on scale #2)
Gain of 13lb so far!
I've always had abs, somewhere between a 4pack and 6pack, but never high-definition.
Despite carrying water and fat, my abs and other little muscles everywhere are in High-Def, 3D, like never before.

The past few days have made a first-timer understand how people get addicted to the endorphins of good workouts, and seeing all the positive results why people use steroids.
 
Day 19
186.5

Today my boss and boss's boss were talking about a problem I'm involved in, so I joined the conversion. A few seconds after I walked up, mid-sentence, boss's boss says, holy crap, (me)! have you been bulking? me: yes. him: I havent seen you in a couple weeks and your neck is like huge! me blushing & mumbling: yeah, im doing wrestlers bridges, exercising my neck for the first time in my life (true)
 
@liffalot ok, ty for giving more specific information on nolva/clomid, much more helpful.

I have purchased already, from ss, however, it's still in the mail...

No problem. Nolva is much better used to combat gyno effects than it is in PCT.

How long ago did you order? If it has been more than 3 days (standard door to door time for SS) I'll inquire about it with them for ya.
 
Day 19
186.5

Today my boss and boss's boss were talking about a problem I'm involved in, so I joined the conversion. A few seconds after I walked up, mid-sentence, boss's boss says, holy crap, (me)! have you been bulking? me: yes. him: I havent seen you in a couple weeks and your neck is like huge! me blushing & mumbling: yeah, im doing wrestlers bridges, exercising my neck for the first time in my life (true)

LOL! Even though I have always worked out for me and me alone, I would be lying if I said it didn't always feel really good to hear people you know say things like that about you. Making progress my man keep it up!
 
Day 24, sickness continued
186
Just felt weak and sleep-deprived the last 3 days.

Hoping I heal quickly. Week 3 is the beast week for all other logs i've read!
 
gaining nicely.Still following bro.Curious as to how your pct goes with osta in it as well.
 
Day 25
186
Mostly better from feeling sick, still really tired.
Lifted twice, very low reps, light weights, just to be consistent.
 
@liffalot thanks for the encouragement!

The SS have been more than 3 weeks... maybe more than 1 month.

WOW, something is definitely wrong.....where do you live I'm not sure how long international shipping takes but it still should be that long I would imagine? If you want to PM me your information (Name, order number if you have it) I can contact SS and see whats up.
 
I think SS didn't create an order. Though I entered my credit card, and got to a thank you page, I can't find the charge on my credit card now, and still haven't received my order.

I was sick this whole week, feeling dizzy/headache by yesterdayso I decided to stop and begin PCT ~4 days early. 26 days, and about 13 lbs gained.

Started nolva 20mg today, day 28.
 
I would go ahead and place another order - I think you're right about it not going through for some reason, usually the credit charges are almost instantaneous. So for future reference if it doesn't go through in a day or two at the most its probably a bunk order. Sorry about that bro, I assure you that doesn't happen often and if it does you should just email SS customer service or contact a rep, their customer service is usually very quick and reliable.
 
Day 44:
Took Nolva 20/10, because I felt terrible on it. Now I've been off for a few days. Feeling not-so-great, have headaches or just slightly fuzzy or foggy feeling most days. I am sleep-deprived, but even when relatively well-slept and well-hydrated, this fuzzy, dull feeling persists.
185lb

Very surprising incident today: a Silvocare Pharma shipped me an order of Tamoxifen Citrate (nolva) I did not order! I received my order of nolva from another Indian or Canadian supplier a month ago.
Anyone have experience with Silvocare Pharma shipping a duplicate order? This seems pretty bizarre.
 
Day 63:

I weighed 190 a few days ago (after binge day), and 187 most days of the week.

When taking off my shirt yesterday to swim, a girl said, "wow, you're ripped!".

Overall, the results of this experiment are pretty cool. I gained muscle and strength. While on epi, got shredded and incredible pumps eeryday.

This week, I also achieved one of my strength goals: doing muscleups.

To my past self, or any other newbs considering their first epi cycle, I would recommend taking epi for even less duration than I did, maybe 3 or 3.5 weeks, at 30mg.
 
Day 63:

I weighed 190 a few days ago (after binge day), and 187 most days of the week.

When taking off my shirt yesterday to swim, a girl said, "wow, you're ripped!".

Overall, the results of this experiment are pretty cool. I gained muscle and strength. While on epi, got shredded and incredible pumps eeryday.

This week, I also achieved one of my strength goals: doing muscleups.

To my past self, or any other newbs considering their first epi cycle, I would recommend taking epi for even less duration than I did, maybe 3 or 3.5 weeks, at 30mg.

good shit, thanks man. Makes me want to get on some epi
 
Day 100ish

Still pleased, although I think I weigh more like 183-184 these days - I'm very much the skinny hard-gainer body type and diet...

I can do 5 consecutive muscleups.

Still would recommend first-timers NOT TO EXCEED the 30mg recommended daily max, and to go only 28 days, maybe even less. The drug is plenty powerful.

I finally got bloodwork that I'd wanted to do much sooner after this project, but around Day 95, I got my cholesterols measured, and had very good HDL, low total cholesterol.
 
I think SS didn't create an order. Though I entered my credit card, and got to a thank you page, I can't find the charge on my credit card now, and still haven't received my order.

I was sick this whole week, feeling dizzy/headache by yesterdayso I decided to stop and begin PCT ~4 days early. 26 days, and about 13 lbs gained.

Started nolva 20mg today, day 28.

sarms1 is a great company with alot of good feedback, give them a look also bro.
 
sarms1 is a great company with alot of good feedback, give them a look also bro.

Yep absolutely. If I'm being honest, I've already been more impressed with everything about them than any other company I've tried. Definitely worth looking into
 
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