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DUKE UNIVERSITY Lacrosse Team

Guilty or Innocent?

  • Yes, guilty. Athletes are meatheads and racist.

    Votes: 3 10.3%
  • No, that black stripper mother of two is trying to bank off of Duke

    Votes: 26 89.7%

  • Total voters
    29

Kakdiesel

Banned
I havent seen a thread about this heated topic. Although it has to do with sports, everyone obviously knows this issue is based on race and social class..

what do you guys think?
 
The team itself basically decided to end their season on their own because they knew they were in the shit hole. There is talk of videos and pictures that were taken, semen samples and stains, the strippers broken fingernails, and a whole bunch of other shit. They are innocent until proven guilty, but it looks lilke they are fucked.
 
i had some friends on the Lacrosse team in college in ohio and while preppy, upperclass, and white, I didnt find that they were racist at all.
 
i am what i am said:
The team itself basically decided to end their season on their own because they knew they were in the shit hole. There is talk of videos and pictures that were taken, semen samples and stains, the strippers broken fingernails, and a whole bunch of other shit. They are innocent until proven guilty, but it looks lilke they are fucked.


I hope not. When you are a stripper who goes to peeps houses (you need to be ready for this shit to happen) strippers who go to houses = escorts

where was there driver?body gaurd? its not like a escort doesnt know they are selling sex fantasies 1$ at a time....

...they did put themselves in that situation.... hey i am a escort and gonna go to do a sex show with another chic naked in front of guys in some shady house at midnite ? nothin good is gonna come from that
 
Kakdiesel said:
i had some friends on the Lacrosse team in college in ohio and while preppy, upperclass, and white, I didnt find that they were racist at all.


Well they aren't most lacrosse kids. Much of lacrosse is an upper class sport. Almost all of the lacrosse athletes are Caucasian. It's Duke bro, in the middle of NC. Plus I don't think there's maybe even two black people on the team. In the South East, it's a mostly white sport. I go to all of the UVA games and they only had one black player on their team out of about 30. I saw them play Duke one time in Charlottesville and they were almost all white.
 
also I want to add that the neighborhood where this off-campus house is located, is predominantly black.

if you were a bunch of college aged white guys, living in a predominantly black neighborhood, would you be yelling N**er this or N***er that like she claimed?

I dunno. I dont think these so-called spoiled rich white kids would have balls to do that.
 
Don't forget, some black females called into 911 claiming someone from that house called them *iggers.
 
Kakdiesel said:
also I want to add that the neighborhood where this off-campus house is located, is predominantly black.

if you were a bunch of college aged white guys, living in a predominantly black neighborhood, would you be yelling N**er this or N***er that like she claimed?

I dunno. I dont think these so-called spoiled rich white kids would have balls to do that.


Trust me dude they do. Some southern frats have *igger parties where they dress black.
 
eat big said:
Don't forget, some black females called into 911 claiming someone from that house called them *iggers.

dont forget that there is ONE black player on the lacrosse team who attended the party.

teammate and/or friend who attended the party and is black hasnt been questioned. why?
 
Kakdiesel said:
dont forget that there is ONE black player on the lacrosse team who attended the party.

teammate and/or friend who attended the party and is black hasnt been questioned. why?


Dude, I know of so many blacks in the upper class at my school who are pretty fucking racist. I go to a private university about an hour away from Duke and the frats here are so damn racist.
 
Another thing, most of the blacks in the frats here wear popped Polo shirts with madras shorts and rainbow sandals.
 
eat big said:
Trust me dude they do. Some southern frats have *igger parties where they dress black.

my frat at a ghetto party where we dressed all thug gangsta. is that racist?

also, my senior year I lived in this off-campus house with 3 of my frat brothers and our neighborhood of housing was called "Da Ghetto"

Is that racist?
 
eat big said:
Dude, I know of so many blacks in the upper class at my school who are pretty fucking racist. I go to a private university about an hour away from Duke and the frats here are so damn racist.

so u know blacks who hate blacks??
 
Kakdiesel said:
so u know blacks who hate blacks??


Pretty much. Some kids have dropped the N bomb in front of upper class blacks I know and they don't care. I was like WTF? They usually say, "as long as you don't call me that I don't care."

I'm not friends with anyone who is really racist honestly. Racism is one thing that pisses me off greatly. I'd say my school is about 8% black. Most private colleges are that way. Sad.
 
Kakdiesel said:
my frat at a ghetto party where we dressed all thug gangsta. is that racist?

also, my senior year I lived in this off-campus house with 3 of my frat brothers and our neighborhood of housing was called "Da Ghetto"

Is that racist?


Well kind of. They call them *igger parties though. UVA has had some that I've heard of. Some people paint their skin black. Really fucked up. Most upper class kids in the south...
 
eat big said:
Pretty much. Some kids have dropped the N bomb in front of upper class blacks I know and they don't care. I was like WTF? They usually say, "as long as you don't call me that I don't care."

I'm not friends with anyone who is really racist honestly. Racism is one thing that pisses me off greatly. I'd say my school is about 8% black. Most private colleges are that way. Sad.

i dont understand what is sad about not having blacks at a college.

College/universities public and private are opportunities, not entitlements. Unlike public elementary, jr high, and high schools (where one must attend according to parents/guardians home address), you can choose which school you want to attend.

When a kid, regardless of race, CHOOSES which school to go to, I dont see anything racist or sad about it. It just means not a lot of black people want to go to your school. Just like you probably didnt apply to Grambling.

Sometimes, when things seem racist, they aren't.
 
Kakdiesel said:
i dont understand what is sad about not having blacks at a college.

College/universities public and private are opportunities, not entitlements. Unlike public elementary, jr high, and high schools (where one must attend according to parents/guardians home address), you can choose which school you want to attend.

When a kid, regardless of race, CHOOSES which school to go to, I dont see anything racist or sad about it. It just means not a lot of black people want to go to your school. Just like you probably didnt apply to Grambling.

Sometimes, when things seem racist, they aren't.


Ehh, yeah that's much more true for college. I guess your right but I honestly think it's because most minorities can't afford it which is why it's sad (If it's private).
 
eat big said:
Ehh, yeah that's much more true for college. I guess your right but I honestly think it's because most minorities can't afford it which is why it's sad (If it's private).


Another thing. My school is about 8% black, most of which are athletes with scholarships.
 
Maybe they are a bunch of assholes that have no respect for women. Had they (the strippers) been white, the same thing might have happened. Like Tiger said, they should've been protected.

If there is evidence of something fucked up occurring, it doesn't matter that these were black ghetto strippers with 4 children and 3 baby daddies in jail. Just like it doesn't matter if they were white girls that got too drunk at some frat party.

The legal system will straigten it out.

Damn, where is 75th? This could've been so much better.
 
eat big said:
Ehh, yeah that's much more true for college. I guess your right but I honestly think it's because most minorities can't afford it which is why it's sad (If it's private).

The sadness lies in the racism of scholarships.
Schools have a lot of scholarship opportunities for hispanics and blacks.
The United Negro College Fund is still alive and well today.

How is it fair to the middle class white kid who has a 3.8 GPA and cant afford to go to college, while the poor black kid who has a 3.0 GPA and gets a full ride?

How is it fair to asians and indians (middle easterners) who are working class families and their kids all cancel each other out with their matching 4.0 gpa's while applying for only academic scholarships (since no other minority scholarships are usually available to these two minority groups)?
 
nycgirl said:
Maybe they are a bunch of assholes that have no respect for women. Had they (the strippers) been white, the same thing might have happened. Like Tiger said, they should've been protected.

If there is evidence of something fucked up occurring, it doesn't matter that these were black ghetto strippers with 4 children and 3 baby daddies in jail. Just like it doesn't matter if they were white girls that got too drunk at some frat party.

The legal system will straigten it out.

Damn, where is 75th? This could've been so much better.
I made the poll just to answer out in stereotypical fashion from one view point to the other.
 
nycgirl said:
Maybe they are a bunch of assholes that have no respect for women. Had they (the strippers) been white, the same thing might have happened. Like Tiger said, they should've been protected.

If there is evidence of something fucked up occurring, it doesn't matter that these were black ghetto strippers with 4 children and 3 baby daddies in jail. Just like it doesn't matter if they were white girls that got too drunk at some frat party.

The legal system will straigten it out.

Damn, where is 75th? This could've been so much better.


Some black sports writers say it is a major racial issue because the whole team except one person is white and the victims were black. Sure the same thing could have happened if they were white. But there is a 911 phone call from someone who was walking in front of the house and they called them racial slurs. They obviously treat women like shit.
 
Kakdiesel said:
The sadness lies in the racism of scholarships.
Schools have a lot of scholarship opportunities for hispanics and blacks.
The United Negro College Fund is still alive and well today.

How is it fair to the middle class white kid who has a 3.8 GPA and cant afford to go to college, while the poor black kid who has a 3.0 GPA and gets a full ride?

How is it fair to asians and indians (middle easterners) who are working class families and their kids all cancel each other out with their matching 4.0 gpa's while applying for only academic scholarships (since no other minority scholarships are usually available to these two minority groups)?


Not touching that issue at all. Had enough of that for one lifetime already.
 
eat big said:
Some black sports writers say it is a major racial issue because the whole team except one person is white and the victims were black. Sure the same thing could have happened if they were white. But there is a 911 phone call from someone who was walking in front of the house and they called them racial slurs. They obviously treat women like shit.

CORRECTION:

they treat STRIPPERS LIKE SHIT.
 
Kakdiesel said:
CORRECTION:

they treat STRIPPERS LIKE SHIT.


Eh no one knows if they would do it to white women or not so...

I'm getting out of this thread before it gets nasty.
 
eat big said:
Eh no one knows if they would do it to white women or not so...

I'm getting out of this thread before it gets nasty.

I dont think it should get nasty. this story has so much sex appeal its ridiculous. Duke, racial issues, college athletes, money, etc.

Also I was trying to differentiate strippers and women.
 
eat big said:
Some black sports writers say it is a major racial issue because the whole team except one person is white and the victims were black. Sure the same thing could have happened if they were white. But there is a 911 phone call from someone who was walking in front of the house and they called them racial slurs. They obviously treat women like shit.

Well, of course the team is predominately white. Um, playing on the lacrosse team was not an option at John Jay High School in Brooklyn, New York. The only black player that was on the Syracuse team while I was there was from Northern VA. I'm willing to bet he (the only black player) is from a similar community or a prep school. The fact that the sports writers (black,) would even mention that is stupid.

Yes, the use of racial slurs doesn't help the situation. It stirred up some old wounds. However, I don't think its a "hate crime". According to what I read on washingtonpost.com, they were called ni**ers before they walked in the door. If they felt uncomfortable, wtf did they go in there?

LOL @ differentiating between strippers and women. I'll leave this one alone.
 
nycgirl said:
Well, of course the team is predominately white. Um, playing on the lacrosse team was not an option at John Jay High School in Brooklyn, New York. The only black player that was on the Syracuse team while I was there was from Northern VA. I'm willing to bet he (the only black player) is from a similar community or a prep school. The fact that the sports writers (black,) would even mention that is stupid.

Yes, the use of racial slurs doesn't help the situation. It stirred up some old wounds. However, I don't think its a "hate crime". According to what I read on washingtonpost.com, they were called ni**ers before they walked in the door. If they felt uncomfortable, wtf did they go in there?

LOL @ differentiating between strippers and women. I'll leave this one alone.

I think its illogical to say that a person who doesnt respect a stripper, doesnt respect women.

i think thats an unfair assumption. I dont respect strippers. I respect women. Is that wrong?
 
nycgirl said:
Well, of course the team is predominately white. Um, playing on the lacrosse team was not an option at John Jay High School in Brooklyn, New York. The only black player that was on the Syracuse team while I was there was from Northern VA. I'm willing to bet he (the only black player) is from a similar community or a prep school. The fact that the sports writers (black,) would even mention that is stupid.

Yes, the use of racial slurs doesn't help the situation. It stirred up some old wounds. However, I don't think its a "hate crime". According to what I read on washingtonpost.com, they were called ni**ers before they walked in the door. If they felt uncomfortable, wtf did they go in there?

LOL @ differentiating between strippers and women. I'll leave this one alone.


Didn't know they did it before they walked in the door. When they heard that, they should've gotten out fast. I think it's more of a social issue as well that happens to also be racial. Ie: upper class kids and strippers. Not to mention the players were probably drunk or blazed.
 
Kakdiesel said:
I think its illogical to say that a person who doesnt respect a stripper, doesnt respect women.
i think thats an unfair assumption. I dont respect strippers. I respect women. Is that wrong?

If that is your view, fine. However, I don't see the difference between a stripper and a women/women that posts pics of their boobs, naked shower pics and other forms of sexually suggestive poses on the internet.

If a woman posts pics of her boobs on a site, does that mean she should be stalked because "no woman" would do something like that?

You may not respect them, but that doesn't mean you have the right to violate them.
 
nycgirl said:
If that is your view, fine. However, I don't see the difference between a stripper and a women/women that posts pics of their boobs, naked shower pics and other forms of sexually suggestive poses on the internet.

If a woman posts pics of her boobs on a site, does that mean she should be stalked because "no woman" would do something like that?

You may not respect them, but that doesn't mean you have the right to violate them.

Well I think you might have misunderstood the extent of not respecting a stripper.

I would never violate or physically/verbally abuse or assault a woman just bc I didnt respect her.

My lack of respect would be categorized in the department of "NO SYMPATHY"

Does it suck what happened? if its true, of course.

But I dont feel that sorry for her.

Its like feeling sorry for a crack dealer for getting shot during a drug deal gone bad.

When you are in these lines of work, one must expect the risks that are involved.
 
Kakdiesel said:
Well I think you might have misunderstood the extent of not respecting a stripper.

I would never violate or physically/verbally abuse or assault a woman just bc I didnt respect her.

My lack of respect would be categorized in the department of "NO SYMPATHY"

Does it suck what happened? if its true, of course.

But I dont feel that sorry for her.

Its like feeling sorry for a crack dealer for getting shot during a drug deal gone bad.

When you are in these lines of work, one must expect the risks that are involved.

She's just trying to earn. Pretty sure she didn't do anything to deserve it except being black. Which is fucked up.
 
eat big said:
She's just trying to earn. Pretty sure she didn't do anything to deserve it except being black. Which is fucked up.

I've worked for Blimpie Subs and delievered pizzas for Donato's pizza in my lifetime.

she can earn in other ways
 
Kakdiesel said:
I've worked for Blimpie Subs and delievered pizzas for Donato's pizza in my lifetime.

she can earn in other ways


Sure she can. But what about women that post pics on the internet for free?
 
eat big said:
Sure she can. But what about women that post pics on the internet for free?

I think you answered your own question. Its for free and for one reason or another.

She strips for money (let us not forget, in person, in real life).

If she needs money, she can swallow her "pride" and get a shitty job like I've had in the past.

you know how humiliating it was at times makin fucking the Blimpie's Best sandwhich during lunch hour?

fucking A.
 
Kakdiesel said:
I think you answered your own question. Its for free and for one reason or another.

She strips for money (let us not forget, in person, in real life).

If she needs money, she can swallow her "pride" and get a shitty job like I've had in the past.

you know how humiliating it was at times makin fucking the Blimpie's Best sandwhich during lunch hour?

fucking A.


Your contradicting yourself here for a few reasons.

1) You say strippers are pretty trashy or whatever you find wrong with them but you don't think they have already swallowed their pride. You think a minimum wage job is worse but you for some reason talk down on strippers and not yourself.

2) It has to be pretty humiliating to dance naked in front of mostly white males while they call you racial slurs.

3) Okay she strips in person, but posting pics on the internet is pretty much an invite for jerking off in many instances.

Check your avi.
 
eat big said:
Your contradicting yourself here for a few reasons.

1) You say strippers are pretty trashy or whatever you find wrong with them but you don't think they have already swallowed their pride. You think a minimum wage job is worse but you for some reason talk down on strippers and not yourself.

2) It has to be pretty humiliating to dance naked in front of mostly white males while they call you racial slurs.

3) Okay she strips in person, but posting pics on the internet is pretty much an invite for jerking off in many instances.

Check your avi.

1) I was responding to your remark about the "individual" just trying to "earn."
2) I worked those shitty jobs bc I needed the money at the time. I could have acted like I was too good for them, but my wallet spoke otherwise. I think my choice of working those jobs is a helluva lot more respectable than a stripper.
3) When you take your clothes off for money, I think racial slurs are the least of your concerns. Although, yes, it probably adds insult to injury.
4) WTF does a picture on the internet have to do with a real life stripper? U post a pic on the internet, people jerk off to it. Fine. Whatever. You goto someone's house and take off your clothes, I think before you take that job you would think there is a possiblity of it becoming somewhat shady or dangerous. Just like Tigger88 said, dont strippers/escorts always have a driver or bodyguard? why would they? because they are needed in that line of work.
 
Kakdiesel said:
1) I was responding to your remark about the "individual" just trying to "earn."
2) I worked those shitty jobs bc I needed the money at the time. I could have acted like I was too good for them, but my wallet spoke otherwise. I think my choice of working those jobs is a helluva lot more respectable than a stripper.
3) When you take your clothes off for money, I think racial slurs are the least of your concerns. Although, yes, it probably adds insult to injury.
4) WTF does a picture on the internet have to do with a real life stripper? U post a pic on the internet, people jerk off to it. Fine. Whatever. You goto someone's house and take off your clothes, I think before you take that job you would think there is a possiblity of it becoming somewhat shady or dangerous. Just like Tigger88 said, dont strippers/escorts always have a driver or bodyguard? why would they? because they are needed in that line of work.

I was just saying that you act like a min. wage job is so bad and embrassing but being a stripper is probably much worse.

In response to number 3, "if one takes of money then racial slurs are the least of your concerns." This is exactly what I'm talking about. Girls post pics on the internet for FREE of themselves naked etc. How is that not as bad? They don't do it for money. Are you saying doing it in person makes it less respectable? Shit I'd post a cock pic before I get naked in front of people in real life.

Also, in number two, you state " worked those shitty jobs bc I needed the money at the time. I could have acted like I was too good for them, but my wallet spoke otherwise." Strippers get paid pretty well. If she had a few kids, no spouse and no college education, she needs all the money she can get bro and stripping will provide that money. And in response to your later part in number two, "I think my choice of working those jobs is a helluva lot more respectable than a stripper." Then how come you said this: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6034566&postcount=37. She can get a shitty job like you? So her job isn't shit now? Doesn't make sense. I'll reply tomorrow because The Sopranos is coming on soon and I need a shower. Peace.
 
eat big said:
I was just saying that you act like a min. wage job is so bad and embrassing but being a stripper is probably much worse.

In response to number 3, "if one takes of money then racial slurs are the least of your concerns." This is exactly what I'm talking about. Girls post pics on the internet for FREE of themselves naked etc. How is that not as bad? They don't do it for money. Are you saying doing it in person makes it less respectable? Shit I'd post a cock pic before I get naked in front of people in real life.

Also, in number two, you state " worked those shitty jobs bc I needed the money at the time. I could have acted like I was too good for them, but my wallet spoke otherwise." Strippers get paid pretty well. If she had a few kids, no spouse and no college education, she needs all the money she can get bro and stripping will provide that money. And in response to your later part in number two, "I think my choice of working those jobs is a helluva lot more respectable than a stripper." Then how come you said this: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6034566&postcount=37. She can get a shitty job like you? So her job isn't shit now? Doesn't make sense. I'll reply tomorrow because The Sopranos is coming on soon and I need a shower. Peace.

Dude, either you have some sort of agenda here, or you can't read. Either way, this is getting tiresome.

I never said strippers dont get paid well. of course they do. I'm going to lay this out very simply for you:

1) strippers are pieces of shit in my opinion.
2) strippers get no sympathy from me. why? see #1.
3) this woman who may or MAY NOT be telling the truth, claims to have been assaulted raped etc. Sucks, but I dont feel sorry for her. I hope the Duke athletes, if they are guilty, get punished. But I don't feel sorry for her. Why? see #2.
4) If I'm broke, need money, I'm going to get a job. Swallow my pride if I have to (if i had no formal education etc.) and work somewhere like a fuggin sandwich shop. I could easily get into slinging some blow or pills and make a shit load of money. If I got robbed, jumped, or arrested, I wouldnt expect anyone to feel sorry for me. Why? Because before going into hypothetical career move into drug dealing, I would obviously know the dangers and risks I would be taking. So do strippers.
5) If I post a picture of myself on the internet, and WOOLTOOL or COLDBLUETOOL or SWOLE were to photo shop it into something funny or embarassing, I wouldnt expect anyone to feel sorry for me. Posting my picture on the internet involves risking that someone creative would defame this pretty face. Would I have any right to bitch and moan about it? No.

What you seem to be missing in your agenda based posts for some odd reason, is that a girl or guy posting pics on the internet is not comparable AT ALL to a real life stripper.

Internet vs Real Life. what is confusing about that?

Strippers get no sympathy from me. Why is that hard to understand? There is nothing contradictory to me about that.

Do you know any real life strippers personally? Guess what? I do. Two of my best friends in Atlanta had serious girlfriends who were strippers at a club. I hung out around them a lot. I know how fucking shady stripper life is. And this one, in this story, was a house-calling stripper.

do you realize thats just a legal way of saying hooker?

Do you respect hookers? Because they are just "trying to earn a living?"
 
tiger88 said:
I hope not. When you are a stripper who goes to peeps houses (you need to be ready for this shit to happen) strippers who go to houses = escorts

where was there driver?body gaurd? its not like a escort doesnt know they are selling sex fantasies 1$ at a time....

...they did put themselves in that situation.... hey i am a escort and gonna go to do a sex show with another chic naked in front of guys in some shady house at midnite ? nothin good is gonna come from that


I'm not sure if she was technically a stripper. Sounds more like a prostitute.
 
Kakdiesel said:
dont forget that there is ONE black player on the lacrosse team who attended the party.

teammate and/or friend who attended the party and is black hasnt been questioned. why?

because the woman said her attackers were white, so he was out.
 
Dial_tone said:
because the woman said her attackers were white, so he was out.
I would think that if racial slurs were involved, that this black male would speak out against his teammates. or at least would have tried to stop them during the whole fiasco
 
Kakdiesel said:
I would think that if racial slurs were involved, that this black male would speak out against his teammates. or at least would have tried to stop them during the whole fiasco


a. his word against everyone else
b. he'd be hassled right off the team
 
Please, listening to the black stripper whom is racist herself. I have never known a stripper that isn't also a prostitute. She is playing the white duke thing vs. the black girl thing. She is hoping Jesse Jackson gets involved and all she cares about is money period. She is a freakin crack ho for cripes sake. Screw her, she asked for it. She is looking for hush money from rich whitey. F the ho
 
also, what sucks in these kinds of cases is the accuser has nothing to lose when going to court.

if she's tellng the truth, she will get a lot of money from Duke and the athletes will be prosecuted, kicked out of school, and maybe jail time.

if she's lying, the athletes lose a year of college athletics, get their names tainted somewhat (defamation) and they probably lost out somewhat in their academics.

what happens to her? going back to stripping and being a lying ho.

she has nothing to lose and everything to gain in this situation while the athletes have nothing to gain and everything to lose.

wtf.
 
the early 911 phone call first said they where driving past the house then later in the call said they where walking past the house also they gave the house number which canyt be seen from the street
 
Kakdiesel said:
Dude, either you have some sort of agenda here, or you can't read. Either way, this is getting tiresome.

I never said strippers dont get paid well. of course they do. I'm going to lay this out very simply for you:

1) strippers are pieces of shit in my opinion.
2) strippers get no sympathy from me. why? see #1.
3) this woman who may or MAY NOT be telling the truth, claims to have been assaulted raped etc. Sucks, but I dont feel sorry for her. I hope the Duke athletes, if they are guilty, get punished. But I don't feel sorry for her. Why? see #2.
4) If I'm broke, need money, I'm going to get a job. Swallow my pride if I have to (if i had no formal education etc.) and work somewhere like a fuggin sandwich shop. I could easily get into slinging some blow or pills and make a shit load of money. If I got robbed, jumped, or arrested, I wouldnt expect anyone to feel sorry for me. Why? Because before going into hypothetical career move into drug dealing, I would obviously know the dangers and risks I would be taking. So do strippers.
5) If I post a picture of myself on the internet, and WOOLTOOL or COLDBLUETOOL or SWOLE were to photo shop it into something funny or embarassing, I wouldnt expect anyone to feel sorry for me. Posting my picture on the internet involves risking that someone creative would defame this pretty face. Would I have any right to bitch and moan about it? No.

What you seem to be missing in your agenda based posts for some odd reason, is that a girl or guy posting pics on the internet is not comparable AT ALL to a real life stripper.

Internet vs Real Life. what is confusing about that?

Strippers get no sympathy from me. Why is that hard to understand? There is nothing contradictory to me about that.

Do you know any real life strippers personally? Guess what? I do. Two of my best friends in Atlanta had serious girlfriends who were strippers at a club. I hung out around them a lot. I know how fucking shady stripper life is. And this one, in this story, was a house-calling stripper.

do you realize thats just a legal way of saying hooker?

Do you respect hookers? Because they are just "trying to earn a living?"


Wow. So because she's a stripper you don't feel sorry if she's raped or abused? You're contradicting yourself. And it is tiresome, which is why I didn't want to get into it in the first place. Later.
 
I personally don't think it matters if you strip in real life or on the internet. Just the same to me. Stripping in real life is definitely harder to do though.
 
Let me make a couple points.

1- Other people walking by the house reported being called the "n" word. The fact that they knew the house number without being able to see it doesn't mean they are lying. It's my understanding that this is a well known house, so it isn't unreasonable that they knew the number.

2- The fact that this woman went to a party as a stripper doesn't mean that she deserved to be raped. It might not be the chosen profession of your all american girl, but if you condemn her for her actions, what about the guys who brought her there?
 
Some of you guys are oblivious. Durham for years has had a well known grudge against Duke. Duke employess like 80% of Durham's working population while the other half is poverty. I have played team sports at a pretty private rich white school in Florida and I know what its like to go to a wealthy school in a poverty stricken town. If that women was raped, more likely than not, someone would have stopped it, or the tests would have come back by now and someone would be getting the hammer. So two black chicks are called nigs and they call 911 to complain? Bro, those chicks would have got their boys to come burn down that frat house, who are you kidding... Someone just wants a little piece of $$$$ from some dumb ass jocks, who made a bad decsion about the clientel the hired.
 
eat big said:
Well they aren't most lacrosse kids. Much of lacrosse is an upper class sport. Almost all of the lacrosse athletes are Caucasian. It's Duke bro, in the middle of NC. Plus I don't think there's maybe even two black people on the team. In the South East, it's a mostly white sport. I go to all of the UVA games and they only had one black player on their team out of about 30. I saw them play Duke one time in Charlottesville and they were almost all white.

Conversly, by using your standards the NBA is racist because it is overwhelmingly black.

or do you believe that ANY organization that has a majority white composition is racist? and ANY majority white group should be 'diversified' ? (even if the US is still 70% white?)
 
Hengst said:
Conversly, by using your standards the NBA is racist because it is overwhelmingly black.

or do you believe that ANY organization that has a majority white composition is racist? and ANY majority white group should be 'diversified' ? (even if the US is still 70% white?)


I don't understand what you were saying. Maybe because you don't understand what I am saying. I am saying most lacrosse kids are UPPER class kids. It's a class issue, not a race issue really.

Here, read this:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6034497&postcount=30
 
JuicedAthletics said:
Some of you guys are oblivious. Durham for years has had a well known grudge against Duke. Duke employess like 80% of Durham's working population while the other half is poverty. I have played team sports at a pretty private rich white school in Florida and I know what its like to go to a wealthy school in a poverty stricken town. If that women was raped, more likely than not, someone would have stopped it, or the tests would have come back by now and someone would be getting the hammer. So two black chicks are called nigs and they call 911 to complain? Bro, those chicks would have got their boys to come burn down that frat house, who are you kidding... Someone just wants a little piece of $$$$ from some dumb ass jocks, who made a bad decsion about the clientel the hired.


"Got their boys to burn down that frat house."


That one statement negates any point you were trying to make.
 
"Got their boys to burn down that frat house."


That one statement negates any point you were trying to make.

Bro, Im not racist. I know how the "majority" of citizens that live in a poverty stricken area act towards who they feel are the "privledged". I have had my car keyed, house sprayed with graffiti, my dogs taunted.. not just myself but other people, both male and female in my same situation...
Why? Because I have parents that devoted their lives to put me in a good school? Because I made the most of my high school career, studying, athletics, community outreach so that I would be noticed by a prestegious school.... I don't think that is a reason for any person to try and take advantage of the situation.
Now that Im done with school Ive incorporated myself and I am a building consultant. I hire guys from "bad" backgrounds.. Of course I am making a generalzation but most of the time those men put themselves in those positions.. I hear them talk about how rough they have it and how they seserve a break.. They dont deserve shit.. You want something to happen.. Then get off your ass and do it.. No one came to me and offered me a six figure salary. Hell, I went almost a year with no medical insurance because I couldnt afford it.. Tell me, how its fair that someone off the street gets better health care than I do , when I have spend the majority of my life in a classroom or working.
I might have gone off topic. But I truly find it hard to believe that a bunch of guys would be THAT STUPID to give up what they know they have for a hooker.. They might be stuck up, rich, frat boys.. But im sure they like that life.. And they are not ill minded enough to throw it away for some trash hoe walking around selling herself on the street.
If she had any dignity or self worth she would have walked over to MC Donalds and done it the right way..

Oh and talk about racism?? When I was out of a job. I went to Manpower, a labor workforce to try and get some odd job to make ends meet.. Wel, I got turned down. Maybe because I was white, maybe because I have a masters degree maybe because of something else.. But its funny now that I am a well known contractor, that this same company trys to call me and asks me if I need any help for labor..
Tell me they don't get breaks in life.....
 
Add alcohol to any situation involving a 20 year old person and their thought process does not involve what the future holds for them. Then add in the testosterone that is flowing at a large party involving college age athletes, and anything is possible. What someone would not do while sober is totally different from what they might do while drunk.
 
JuicedAthletics said:
But I truly find it hard to believe that a bunch of guys would be THAT STUPID to give up what they know they have for a hooker..

It's not stupid if you're sure you're going to get away with it. The amount of stereotyping on this thread is crazy. She's a stripper so she must be easy. She's got a kid so she must be after money. They're rich and thought they were above the law. The truth is somewhere in the middle.
 
After re-reading my post, I realized that I made some huge generalizations with stereotypes. I apoligize if I offended anyone.. This is kind of one of those race, religion topics that you never bring up at the in-laws dinner..

Reguardless, I do hope that there isnt a race card being pulled on the lax team. Likewise, I hope the lax team didn't force anything on an unsuspecting person. Either way, both parties will get what they deserve....
 
I doubt that girl was raped and I'm sure nothing will ever come of the allegations.

She was an escort, not a stripper, basically a prostitute. She was there with another escort and neither of them had any type of security with them. Any reputable escort service would send someone with them, especially if it was a party like that. Both of them were getting ready to leave and then decided to GO BACK IN the party. If it was as bad as they say, they would have gotten the hell out of there when they had the chance.

Does it suprise you that white college kids at Duke are racist? Especially guys on the Lacrosse team? They are rich and have grown up privileged their entire lives. They may be racist, but they are not dumb enough to rape some skank escort at a party with 50 other guys there.

She was dumb for going there, staying there and they were dumb for getting her in the first place.

When it comes down to it though, nobody will be able to prove anything. I'm sure the Duke players will be able to afford good attorneys that would tear any allegations to hell if anyone actually is charged.
 
Dial_tone said:
It's not stupid if you're sure you're going to get away with it. The amount of stereotyping on this thread is crazy. She's a stripper so she must be easy. She's got a kid so she must be after money. They're rich and thought they were above the law. The truth is somewhere in the middle.


You're right. We all have made generalizations. I tried to not be as brutal with mine. The answer is probably in the middle like you said. Bro, you are absolutely right. You corrected me on Crash the movie being about racism in America, not L.A. Thank you. I'm young and don't see it other ways sometimes. Appreciate it.
 
eat big said:
Wow. So because she's a stripper you don't feel sorry if she's raped or abused? You're contradicting yourself. And it is tiresome, which is why I didn't want to get into it in the first place. Later.

I find it comical based on your agenda that you want to spin everything I say and tell me I'm contradicting myself. If anybody would take the time to read my posts, there would be able to see there is nothing contradicting about anything I'm saying. You are just wanting to spin it as such.

For the last fucking time, no I dont feel sorry for her if she was raped or abused because she is a house calling (escort) stripper.

When you become a fireman, there are certain risks you know about going into the job. You might die in a fire being one of them.
When you become an house calling stripper, getting raped or abused (especially withouth having a bodyguard or driver with you) is one of those things you are willing to risk.

Nothing I'm saying in contradicting and you my friend are spinning every post I make.
 
Kakdiesel said:
I find it comical based on your agenda that you want to spin everything I say and tell me I'm contradicting myself. If anybody would take the time to read my posts, there would be able to see there is nothing contradicting about anything I'm saying. You are just wanting to spin it as such.

For the last fucking time, no I dont feel sorry for her if she was raped or abused because she is a house calling (escort) stripper.

When you become a fireman, there are certain risks you know about going into the job. You might die in a fire being one of them.
When you become an house calling stripper, getting raped or abused (especially withouth having a bodyguard or driver with you) is one of those things you are willing to risk.

Nothing I'm saying in contradicting and you my friend are spinning every post I make.

Okay. Maybe I see it from a different perspective, am confused and try to understand it -- but I'm not. We have different opinions as NYC said and that' s completely fine with me. I was trying to understand what you were saying.
 
LOL, yeah it looks like that stripper was fucked up in more ways than one before she got to the party!! This is going to be one lesson those Lacrosse players will definately learn from - you cant un-ring a bell! I just hope that they either press charges against her, or they release her identity since her accusations were bullshit.

Not to mention she disgraced all the young, black women everywhere who were actually standing up for her.
 
eat big said:
Another thing. My school is about 8% black, most of which are athletes with scholarships.

the black population of this country is only like 12%. A school shouldnt strive to accept more students of a certain race unless they are way under represented. A news story came out saying they didnt find any DNA evidence of any of the players on the woman Story
 
Food for thought: Southern University in Shreveport, which everyone considers to be "a black school" is almost 11% white. University of Georgia is only 8% black...does anyone call UGA a white school? Newp.
That's not an abberation either. According to the 2002 edition of The Princeton Review, three of the public, four-year HBCUs now have a majority of white students: Lincoln University in Missouri, 57 percent; West Virginia State College, 86 percent; and Bluefield State College also in West Virginia, 89 percent.
What's my point? Simply that people who think black schools are the ones discriminating are fooling yourselves.
 
I hope they smack this ho with civil suits and smear her to the max...make her life miserable. Nothing worse perpetrating a hoax that could ruin lives.
 
canadianhitman said:
I hope they smack this ho with civil suits and smear her to the max...make her life miserable. Nothing worse perpetrating a hoax that could ruin lives.
that fucking turd ruined their whole season, got a player kicked out of school for that one email, and everyone loses a year of eligibility
 
why the fuck are they racist?
 
Kakdiesel said:
that fucking turd ruined their whole season, got a player kicked out of school for that one email, and everyone loses a year of eligibility


They should make her walk the streets selling crackpussy to pay them damages.
 
Wootoom said:
why the fuck are they racist?
people in the media were trying to make them out to be cuz they were white and the poor slutbag was black and ghetto and that she wouldnt have been raped had she been white.

but that point is moot since she made up the entire story to get some cheese.

where's eatbig on this one. His new handle should be eat crow
 
Hengst said:
another hate crime hoax.


Listening to NPR this morning - could not help but laugh at the end of the news article they reported on this. After stating that DNA testing exonerates any of the lacrosse team members, the reporter had taped interviews with two Duke students (both male) and two NC Central Universtiy students (both female).

And yes - the stereotypical voice patterns were evident. Two uppity, slightly snobbish white boys saying if the D.A. wants to keep digging, then say what evidence he is looking for, one more try, and then drop it if nothing/no one is singled out. The two black women interviewed said DNA testing is useless and they do not believe in it.

But at the very end, the NC Central U. student blew apart any credibility with: "DNA testing is bullshit".

How eloquently put.
 
mekannik said:
Listening to NPR this morning - could not help but laugh at the end of the news article they reported on this. After stating that DNA testing exonerates any of the lacrosse team members, the reporter had taped interviews with two Duke students (both male) and two NC Central Universtiy students (both female).

And yes - the stereotypical voice patterns were evident. Two uppity, slightly snobbish white boys saying if the D.A. wants to keep digging, then say what evidence he is looking for, one more try, and then drop it if nothing/no one is singled out. The two black women interviewed said DNA testing is useless and they do not believe in it.

But at the very end, the NC Central U. student blew apart any credibility with: "DNA testing is bullshit".

How eloquently put.

thats the college education they receive at NCCU bwhahahahah
 
spongebob said:
i thought i just heard on the radio this morning that dna from samples match up? or did i get that wrong? im tired as hell.

SPONGEBOB! whats up stranger? how are u man?

no you are tired as hell :)
 
spongebob said:
yep just got home from working 16 hrs so im drained.

wat up bro?

damn man. thats hard work. my advice? seriously when i have days like that and get home in the morning

go to Mcdonalds
take a 15 dollars
but any assortment of breakfast food from Mickey D's with 15 dollars
make sure you get a few of their hashbrowns
bring it home, get in front of the TV with all your food
get a carton of Orange juice to wash it down with
Eat
you will sleep like a baby
 
Kakdiesel said:
damn man. thats hard work. my advice? seriously when i have days like that and get home in the morning

go to Mcdonalds
take a 15 dollars
but any assortment of breakfast food from Mickey D's with 15 dollars
make sure you get a few of their hashbrowns
bring it home, get in front of the TV with all your food
get a carton of Orange juice to wash it down with
Eat
you will sleep like a baby

well i opted for the sourdough breakfast jack and blue berry french toast from jack in the box. lol
 
4everhung said:
strippers lie
that's what they do

I thought they took their clothes off.
 
Amazing, A totally bs story that got everyone pissed that some white boys raped and beat a black hooker/stripper. I am shocked a woman with such moral perpatude would make up such a story. This crying racism everytime a black person is injured somehow is tiring and boring. Does whitey cry racism every time he is injured by a black person?

I hope they string this chick up by her toes in the center of Duke University after ruining these players lives. They freakin cancelled the season for these guys.
 
There should have been DNA evidence since supposedly she said nothing about them putting raincoats on. In the absence of evidence to convict, it's her word against theirs. I know it sucks but a stripper is going to have less credibility on a witness stand than the entire lacrosse team. In the future she should never go to a private "party" unescorted. I'm sure the doorman at her club would have done it for a cut.
 
dognutz said:
This crying racism everytime a black person is injured somehow is tiring and boring. Does whitey cry racism every time he is injured by a black person?



funny you asked...dullboy says the answer is NEVER


April 11, 2006 -- It's yuppie-hunting season on 125th Street in Harlem.
Teen wolf packs have been systematically preying on people in the gentrifying neighborhood, police sources said yesterday, as four young punks were charged with murder for a mugging gone awry.

The teens, charged as adults, face up to nine years to life behind bars for allegedly acting with depraved indifference in causing the death of New York University student Broderick John Hehman, 20.

Theirs are the first high-profile arrests in a new crime pattern that's shaken the on-the-rise neighborhood.

Sources said local teens, typically ages 13 to 15, linger along 125th Street, scoping out potential mugging victims, then moving in to surround and attack.

The kids target well-dressed students, tourists or commuters, preferring those who are alone and talking on cellphones as they climb out of the Metro-North and subway stations at Lexington Avenue and Malcolm X Boulevard, sources said.

They're after cellphones, small electronics and wallets.



The sources said cops arrest groups of kids for these coordinated sidewalk muggings a couple times a month.

"The larger kids will grab or punch you, maybe throw you to the ground," said one cop from the area. "Then the little ones go through your pockets."

Until now, these attacks caused only scratches and bruises. But that changed April 1, when just this kind of pack allegedly pounced on Hehman, 20, who was visiting a friend in the neighborhood.

Hehman, the son of a Manhattan investment banker, ran into traffic to flee his pursuers. Struck by a Mercedes, he died six days later of head injuries .

"These kids are just like what we're always getting out there," said a cop who patrols the historic street.

Added the cop, "We keep telling people, when you walk out of the station, stay off the cellphone. Be alert. Don't act like you're in Midtown. 'Cause you're not in Midtown. You're in Harlem."

Robberies in the 25th Precinct, which includes 125th Street in East Harlem, are up 3.3 percent so far this year, according to NYPD crime statistics through April 2. There were 61 robberies in the precinct for the first three months of the year, compared to 59 for the same period in 2005.

All four teens charged in Hehman's murder have confessed to acting together to mug the popular student, according to criminal complaints released yesterday.

Accused ringleader Andre "Chris" Johnson, 15, spotted Hehman walking alone and talking on his cell as he left the Metro-North station, and pointed him out to the others, the complaints allege.

Johnson admitted punching the student in the side of his head, and Hassan Mayfield, 15, admitted "trying" to grab him, prosecutors said.

Denzell Fell and Humberto Guzman, both 13, insisted they played minor roles, saying, "Chris and Hassan never give us any of the stuff they take," according to Assistant District Attorney Joel Seideman.

None of the teens admitted chasing Hehman into traffic. All denied wanting to seriously injure him. They're being held without bail, and a fifth teen is still being sought.

Additional reporting by Perry Chiaramonte

 
I heard they took pictures of here stripping and the pictures showed her battered and bruised.

Those pictures should be posted immediately!
 
Dial_tone said:
I thought they took their clothes off.


Before or after they shouted the racial slurs at her? From my limited experience with 'reverse racism' - when a group of people outnumber me and make me feel unwelcome, I will get the hell out of there. She was out of the house before the alleged assault occurred - why go back in? For the money?
 
i cant help but laugh at this whole situation yet be angry for Duke University lacrosse team and their families.

i mean do people realize a kid got kicked out of DUKE over this shit? they better let him back in.

lololol @ all the duke students who protested against their own schoolmates.
 
i think she agreed to let them run a train on her for a hefty price and then of course the rich prissy duke boys didn't have cash to pay her......only daddy's credit card and then she got pissed
 
Kakdiesel said:
i cant help but laugh at this whole situation yet be angry for Duke University lacrosse team and their families.

i mean do people realize a kid got kicked out of DUKE over this shit? they better let him back in.

lololol @ all the duke students who protested against their own schoolmates.


Read and learn please.

http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/427038.html


This is a program that nobody had control over. It was more or less a frat house that was on scholarship.

"Since 1999, records show, 41 Blue Devil lacrosse players -- about 31 percent of all players on the roster from then until now -- have been charged with a variety of rowdy and drunken acts"

Yes, it might just be college kids being college kids, but those statistics should have been a red flag warning the school that there was a lack of control.
 
big4life said:
Read and learn please.

http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/427038.html


This is a program that nobody had control over. It was more or less a frat house that was on scholarship.

"Since 1999, records show, 41 Blue Devil lacrosse players -- about 31 percent of all players on the roster from then until now -- have been charged with a variety of rowdy and drunken acts"

Yes, it might just be college kids being college kids, but those statistics should have been a red flag warning the school that there was a lack of control.

being a dick and obnoxious is worlds apart from being a rapist. I'm no rapist.
 
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