Doubled Adex, bloat finally dropped, but orgasm loads cut to a trickle!

[lanier1974]

So this is my first cycle. I'm on 600mg test cyp (200mg 3x wk), 50mg Proviron ED, 0.5mg Adex EOD. This is week seven.

Diet is super clean. Loads of beef, lamb, greens, sweet potato carb back loads evening, adjusted daily based on hunger, bloat, and power in the gym. No junk.

I know I need to get labs, but living in Japan as a foreigner makes such things difficult and you don't even want to know how much it costs here to get a private clinic to do it. No online testing companies here.

During the first week I eased into it with 400mg test and Prov only. I didn't use the Adex. I blew up like a balloon! Ankles swollen, moon face. Nips got sore. Added Adex 0.5 EOD, same since.

Bloat never really went away, just decreased to acceptable level. Still fluctuated a bit. Nips eventually settled down, though on three occasions I popped 40mg of Nolvadex to arrest it; I didn't want to use SERM on cycle, but for emergency management it worked. Libido was exceptional, hardness, loads, desire, everything. Night wood has been every night for hours, like sleeping with broomstick. Gains were a watery 10 kilo by last week.

Week 5 added Masteron 100mg 3x WK. I know it's too many things first cycle. I was impatient. Figured Masteron was synergistic with the test and not heavy like tren or dbol on top.

After first Masteron shot, libio went thru the roof. Masturbation that day I was so hard I could feel it all the way back to my perineum. Never been so hard. Nice to know vascularly, Im quite healthy!

Then, for the next two weeks libido and masturbation enjoyment went flat. No change in Adex, test, or prov. I could masterbate, orgasm, stay hard, but not as powerful and didn't have the urge. Also, that happy-good-mood, confident feeling I'd had on test flat lined too. Not depressed, just flat. Night sweats on Masteron were intense! No change in body or head hair. No change in joints. Little change in bloat. But, STRENGTH at the gym went WAY UP. I LOVE Masteron.

Some advised that I'd pushed my estrogen too LOW with the Adex, prov, and masteron, and libido was suffering accordingly. This made sense logically. Yet, I was still fighting the battle with continuous bloat and water weight, suggesting estrogen was still in fact HIGH. My sodiumotassium is spot on. I don't naturally retain water off cycle. So I stopped the Masteron after 2 weeks of use (end of last week).

I also doubled my ADEX for the last two doses, to 1mg EOD. I've had two test 200mg shots during this time. Prov unchanged, no masteron.

RESULTS: In the 5 days since doubling Adex, these things have been pronounced:

-I've dropped 3+ kilos of water weight!
-My libido has been DESTROYED.
-Night woods have vanished totally.
-My load volume has decreased two fold and become watery
-I can barely get hard with my usual porn, never get very hard, and get soft with minimal distraction.

So what the hell may be going on, more experienced folks?

Obviously the big Adex increase killed my estrogen dead. But, how had my estrogen dropped too low before (due to the masteron addition), if I still had so much bloat? Is it possible to react to test with excessive bloat when estrogen IS NOT HIGH?

It would seem I should half my original Adex dose to .25 E3D. Or none. My bloat is gonna return with a vengeance. But hopefully so will my libido.

Is it natural and normal for loads to dry up and hard on's to become flaccid as a cycle continues, when the testicles are atrophying? Does anyone remain able to be really horny, really hard, and have full loads throughout a cycle even as atrophy sets in?

I am planning to do a 1000iu 3x wk HCG blast for one or two weeks to get things awake, then stop, then a full on blast 1000iu EOD(or 500iu ED) for 20 days after cycle, before PCT. Also planning now to cut Adex in the opposite direction to .25mg E3D. Frankly I'd love to cut Adex entirely and just use Masteron, as my lifts miss it, but bloat may kill me.

I must admit, having my cum loads become a paltry and pathetic trickle and hardness diminish greatly has me scared and put off frankly. If this is the natural course during a steroid cycle, I'll pass. If I've screwed something up an this can be rectified and set back on course, I'm inclined to continue. That's where you good folks come in. If this doesn't change though, frankly, I want to come off.

Constructive thoughts guys?

 

[goin on 4T]

How old are you?
Are you still in Japan?


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[lanier1974]

I'm 38, but no one thinks I'm that old. Look pretty young for my age.

Yup, live in Koenji, 3km west of Shinjuku, Tokyo. Been in Japan 3 years. Korea before that.

 

[lanier1974]

Bump.

Nobody has ANYTHING to help me with constructively?

 

[El Hefe]

Everyone reacts differently. Therefore it's important to limit the drugs/compounds used in a '1st' cycle to adjust and see how you acclimate.

When using these compounds (like Adex for example) you should probably be patient and make slow adjustments to give everything time to work and also see how your body adapts.

It seems like you were making some quick changes while also making significant dosage changes.

So it worked, but do you now know exactly how you want to do it next time? Probably not.

I can tell you exactly how I would do it, but I'm not you. Go slow, listen to your body, make small/slow changes, give your body time to adjust/react.

 

[Nelson Montana]

yes, there are dozens of variables and everything can effect everything else. Estrogen blance is tricky, but one of the biggest mistakes people make is to use anti -e's to control bloat. First off, you can get rid of what's causing the bloat in the first place! And sweating reduces bloat. That happens when....? Of yeah, when you TRAIN. Using drugs that mess with your libido is not the way to go.

 

[stevesmi]

nobody can help you because we don't have your bloods.

you should learn how much AI to take to control estrogen on your own and what works for you. you want to control estrogen, not kill it.

this is why forma is a much better option to use on cycle. you can adjust squirts as necessary and it doesn't come with the sides of other AI's

 

[lanier1974]

El Jefe, Si, lo que dice esta verdad. Small changes, fewer variables. I did too much. Lesson learned. Advice received and appreciated.

Adex has been changed ZERO from the start, until I upped it last week. Sure enough, I found out if I was high or low E......LOW! Took two double doses on the same schedule. 0.5EOD became 1.0 EOD. Now I must let the Adex clear a bit and E rebound somewhat to get back to right. I've learned alot. And yes,I think I WILL know what to more clearly next go.

Lesson? I bloat. Salt exacerbates this on AAS for me. And for me, it ain't just high E that does it. My E can be shot too low with AI. With DHT added in, it's too much for E.

Nelson, experience wise, what IS the best way to reduce bloat? I naturally just don't sweat much. It lets me climb in heat that shuts out other climbers. Just me. I've learned ANYsalt on cycle makes a mess of me. I read one should use an AI to control bloat from many. I value your experienced opinion. So what SHOULD I use?

Steve, good info, thanks. I've learned that .5 EOD Adex alone didn't control bloat much at all, and 1mg EOD killed my E dead. So it seems for me Adex, maybe AI's don't reduce my bloat. If .5 mg didn't reduce it, yet 1mg reduced it but destroyed E in the process, what's that mean? I'd rather be bloated than have E leveled and my libio and loads shot to hell! Seems AI don't control bloat well for me, or rather, doseage disproportionately affects E negatively instead of bloat positively. That's my takeaway from this.

Btw, I don't do things willy nilly. I've used a gram scale and my own created spreadsheet to allot my daily macros and calories, and keep records, for 10 years.

My thoughts now:

Clear out. Stay on test and prov as usual. Those variables have not changed. No Adex for a week to let E get back up. After a week I can either
A) use .25mg Adex E3D or
B) use Masteron 100mg 3x wk with NO AI

In the meantime I'm doing 3 shots 1000iu HCG this week to give the boys a hand.

 

[lanier1974]

And I appreciate all the calls for labs. I'd rather that too. I'm a numbers person too. But here's the facts: I'm a teacher making little money in one of the most expensive cities worldwide. I'm a foreigner in a country that's so backwards and resistant to new things, ANYTHING different, and ESPECIALLY individual requests , that one must live here to understand the struggle. Gear here is legal and pretty cheap, though one must be discreet. Which brings me to getting labs. It ain't discreet. And im a visa holding alien. Get the picture? They can throw you in a cell and deport you with no due process here. Get it? And I don't have the money for uppity banker and wealthy Tokyoite private and discreet clinics. Try half a grand for starters. A Melon costs thirty bucks. Labs at a private clinic? Right.

So I wanted to try gear for a long time. I'm here, it's available and affordable. So I did it. Labs and money are a problem.

Please do not misjudge me as some newbie fool who jumped without thinking and who doesn't know the value of labs.

My situation is what it is. Those who will help me are appreciated.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ take my advice then if you cannot run/afford bloods then don't use steroids.

it can come back to bite you bigtime. i am working with a guy now who has gyno and cannot afford to spend 50 bucks on bloodwork, so its kinda hard to solve that problem when you don't know what is causing it. and the dangerous thing is once you know something is wrong it also means you have other things out of whack too that you have no idea.