Does having a trainer make you lazy?

[SteelWeaver]

If you want full ROM development in lats and tris you should do both.

Really? Why do so many people spurn them as silly, useless exercises? Because they don't aid much in pure strength development? Would you use them in a mass-building phase? How come almost everyone at elite preaches the gospel of basic compound moves and turn their noses up at the above types of moves? I realise one needs a mix of moves for full development, but .... tricep kickbacks?

Pullovers - cool - I like these. What about straight-arm pulldowns?

I personally prefer the compound moves because isolation-type moves bore me - with compounds I can put all of me into the move ... FULL concentration. It's easy to let your mind wander on smaller moves.

 

[The Shadow]

with compounds I can put all of me into the move ... FULL concentration. It's easy to let your mind wander on smaller moves.

...interesting that you would say that you mind wanders on isolations moves.....much less to think about.

Bottom line is this:

ANY movement, if done correctly, and with sufficient weight WILL make you stronger....period.


Read up on the theory of POF.

Each muscles has three positions a midrange, a stretch and a contracted......

You do lateral raises for delts...that is a contracted position, just like a kickback is....what would possibly be the reasoning to do one but not the other?

Other contracted exercises:

Cable crossovers
concentration curls
leg curls
leg extensions.....


....how many of those do you normally do in your workouts??

Most, if not all I would imagine.

 

[SteelWeaver]

OK, I confess - I've just come to the end of a subscription to Ironman, (they have interesting research briefs, lol) and I usually read the "Train, Eat, Grow" POF articles in there - so I know what it is and have sometimes incorporated some of those ideas into my workouts. Haven't tried post-activation yet, but am getting there. There's so much to try

But since coming to Elite I've spent most of my time on heavy compound moves, because of the emphasis on them here. I do think that's a good thing, since I'm still in the process of building a base, but I guess just leaving out a whole class of moves isn't a terribly good idea.

Don't you find when you don't have to apply full concentration that it's easier to let other thoughts distract you? Since you have a big roomy space left free in your brain over and above the small bit you're using?

Of the moves you listed, the only one I do with any regularity is leg curls, although I always do one of: glute-ham raises/SLDL's/GM's first. Doing a lot more leg extensions lately since my trainer likes them. Haven't done the other two for about a year, but I do flyes - same sort of thing, yeah?

How often do you mix up your exercises, Corn?

 

[The Shadow]

OK, I confess - I've just come to the end of a subscription to Ironman, (they have interesting research briefs, lol) and I usually read the "Train, Eat, Grow" POF articles in there - so I know what it is and have sometimes incorporated some of those ideas into my workouts. Haven't tried post-activation yet, but am getting there. There's so much to try

But since coming to Elite I've spent most of my time on heavy compound moves, because of the emphasis on them here. I do think that's a good thing, since I'm still in the process of building a base, but I guess just leaving out a whole class of moves isn't a terribly good idea.

Don't you find when you don't have to apply full concentration that it's easier to let other thoughts distract you? Since you have a big roomy space left free in your brain over and above the small bit you're using?

Of the moves you listed, the only one I do with any regularity is leg curls, although I always do one of: glute-ham raises/SLDL's/GM's first. Doing a lot more leg extensions lately since my trainer likes them. Haven't done the other two for about a year, but I do flyes - same sort of thing, yeah?

How often do you mix up your exercises, Corn?

Honestly it doesn't matter what exercise Im doing....it get 100% of my effort and concentration....I feel that I get a better response form doing "isolation" movements like those I listed above....with exercises like squats I'm constantly thinking about form etc rather than feeling the muscle work.

Flyes are actuallt a stretch postition but stretches are a very important tangent for growth as thry stretch the fascail muscle sheath that surrounds the muscle and also allow for more fibers to be recruited via the myotatic response.

I never ever do the same w/o for a muscle group back to back.
It doesn't mean that I do different exercises at every w.o - just thgat the order might be different, drop set here and there etc.