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Does God make you fat?

People who regularly attend religious activities tend to use less birth control.

The womenz have multiple kids so they get fat.

The dad's get depressed with their fat wives and binge drink and eat chips. They get fat too.

This is my diagnosis.
 
A few years ago I started going to church. From what I noticed, a lot of people in church are fat because they simply don't care at all. The pastor would every now and then talk about how you'll look the same in Heaven as you do in this world, and that we shouldn't worry about changing the way we look. Other members of the congregation simply said that trying to lose weight is a sign of vanity. I had several people rib me at times, calling me muscle man, meathead, and other things. It was playful insults, and I really didn't give a shit. One of the younger guys actually said he was worried about me being in the gym so often, because he knows a lot of bad things happen at the gym. Others said I was misguided for staying in shape because I was only doing it to pick up women.

BTW, there were a lot of affairs going on at this church. A lot of the men who were in decent shape ended up getting caught. I guess they got tired of looking at their fat, disgusting wives every day.
 
Worrying about what you look like is vanity..but one bite of food past being satisfied is greed and gluttony....no one wants to hear that from the pulpit though and if you belong to a church that preaches the old convenant of tithing..well then you probably won't hear too much about gluttony.
 
Yeah, they preached tithing, that it was required according to the Bible. I was making $300 every two weeks, with my bank account dwindling every week. I don't think they wanted my $30.
 
lose weight is a sign of vanity?? Such a sour grape! Church people does not equal good ones, and they are not better than those who don't go to church
 
Losing weight isn't necessarily vain. That's my problem with certain church-going folks. They just spin whatever theyre told to believe what they want to.

One day it's "don't get tattoos or prostitute yourself because your body is God's temple"
The next day it's "God will be mad if you take too much care of your body."

Christian logic is awesome. I mean choose one. Either your body is important to God or it's not.
 
depending on food for enjoyment..comfort..love...anything other than substance is idolatry. Lusting after food defiles the convenant relationship with God. Someone who has a pure relationship with God does not lust after food. Obesity is spiritual enslavement to food. Just like somsone who overindulges in alcohol..cigs or shopping or power will suffer consequenses of greed. I'm talking about myself here too....lol

All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
 
religious people are too lazy to think for themselves, they generally, as a population dont *understand* anything science.

they dont know waht *good food* and *bad food* is
 
religious people are too lazy to think for themselves, they generally, as a population dont *understand* anything science.

they dont know waht *good food* and *bad food* is

That's just not true. It does not take a genius or an independent thinker to figure out what certain foods do to the body. It takes a google search..everyone knows that a chicken breast and broccoli is better than a couple slices of pizza. Everyone. It's not information and understanding that people lack but motivation and mind and heart changes for a happy and healthy life. There are no "good" foods and "bad" foods when it comes to obesity. A person is not obese because they eat one chocolate chip cookie every night. They are eating three after a huge carb filled meal...eating over the limits of being satisfied. If people don't recognize that it's not the food's fault but their own psychological problems in their heart they'll never be free from it. Asking someone who has a serious problem turning to food to worship it more by counting every fat gram and carb.. thinking about food all day...discussing it on forums.....this does not help someone with food issues. You fall in love with what you focus on. They might conquer it temporarily but not for a lifetime.

The church is filled with people who worship food. It's their pet sin. They'll point their finger at me because I drink too much sometimes while stuffing their faces at all you can eat buffets after church every Sunday.
 
A person is not obese because they eat one chocolate chip cookie every night . They are eating three after a huge carb filled meal...eating over the limits of being satisfied.

Actually they are obese because of eating that one chocolate chip cookie every night. It all starts somewhere, then progresses into a problem.
 
The problem isn't the chocolate chip cookie.

the problem is they are weak minded slaves. slaves to the media. slaves to the snack industry. slaves to religion.

its all correlational. they probably pray to god everynight to let them be skinny after eating those 3 chocolate chip cookies you mentioned
 
the problem is they are weak minded slaves. slaves to the media. slaves to the snack industry. slaves to religion.

its all correlational. they probably pray to god everynight to let them be skinny after eating those 3 chocolate chip cookies you mentioned

Anyone who tries to find happiness or block unhappiness with material things has enslaved themselves..

All of those things..even religion put a wedge between people and God/happiness/freedom.
 
Anyone who tries to find happiness or block unhappiness with material things has enslaved themselves..

All of those things..even religion put a wedge between people and God/happiness/freedom.

I really don't understand what you mean by this. Specifically "block unhappiness".
 
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religious people are too lazy to think for themselves, they generally, as a population dont *understand* anything science.

they dont know waht *good food* and *bad food* is

The sheep will follow
 
I really don't understand what you mean by this. Specifically "block unhappiness".

I probably used a bad phrase....I'm sick today. IMO...humans have a dual nature..a physical nature and a spiritual nature. People seek feel good happiness for the biological.. and value based happiness for the spiritual. You don't have to believe in my God or God at all to believe that humans have this non-physical nature either. Usually when people try to substitute feel good happines for value based happines they run into problems.

Usually when people eat themselves to death there is something they either want to think and feel or something they don't want to think or feel. Certain foods are not "bad". At least imo..nothing material can be immoral or "bad". You are not a bad person for eating a piece of cake any more than a piece of cake can be "bad".

Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

Someone who does not address the non-physical reasons for eating themselves to death...even though it seems wise to diet the way someone would who is not in love with food..it will do them no good..it's only temporary. They are not addressing the root cause. The reasons xtians might fall into this category so much is because they tend to be too busy looking at other people's lives and not dealing with their own lives. I'm just guessing though. Who knows.
 
Certain foods are not "bad". At least imo..nothing material can be immoral or "bad". You are not a bad person for eating a piece of cake any more than a piece of cake can be "bad".

what about swine? God said don't eat it. Jesus the Jew didn't eat it.
 
I was raised in a very religious household and remember one of my mothers church friends that would pray before meals...."and Jesus make this non fattening"......she was like 5'2" 350 lbs! I asked her and told her to make better choices of what she ate and she looked at me like I was crazy! She said " Jesus said what ever you ask for in my name"..... I cut her off and said God expects you to use common sense too! You wouldn't stand in your house while is on fire and pray on Jesus name please save me from getting burned would you? no! If you died in the fire god would be " I told you to run out.... Why didn't you listen!"
 
what about swine? God said don't eat it. Jesus the Jew didn't eat it.

Christians don't abide by Levitical laws because Jesus was like "forget that shit yo, here's some new rules" and then he died on the cross and made those animals clean and the heavenly father was all "Let there be bacon".

Part of that sentence is kind of true though.
 
Going back to the book of Lev we can undersatnd why the kosher laws were in place. They were to teach the Israelites the difference between clean and unclean physically so they could undestand the spiritual concept of holiness. Those lessons didn't go over so well...lessons meant to teach people morals and ethics didn't lead to moral and ethical people...in fact it lead to self-righteousness. Given this conversation before that Jesus was having in the NT in Mark 7..it would appear he was changing the Kosher laws...and it's easy to see why. There is nothing evil about eating pork....or anything moral about washing your hands... ;)
 
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I probably used a bad phrase....I'm sick today. IMO...humans have a dual nature..a physical nature and a spiritual nature.

There's no difference. The "spirit" is a product of organic brain function.
 
There's no difference. The "spirit" is a product of organic brain function.

Whatever you want to call it..I'm talking about that product. You don't have to label it spirt because that's what I've called it. Meaning, purpose, goals and the "mind" are not physical things but we can observe them....but maybe not directly. I know some people say that they don't exist...well I'm "one of those" that says they do..and our behavior is driven by them. JMO.

What about our self consiousness? Is that not an indicator of our tanscendent nature?
 
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Going back to the book of Lev we can undersatnd why the kosher laws were in place. They were to teach the Israelites the difference between clean and unclean physically so they could undestand the spiritual concept of holiness. Those lessons didn't go over so well...lessons meant to teach people morals and ethics didn't lead to moral and ethical people...in fact it lead to self-righteousness. Given this conversation before that Jesus was having in the NT in Mark 7..it would appear he was changing the Kosher laws...and it's easy to see why. There is nothing evil about eating pork.

There is a reason the OT is so different from the NT.. there is a reason the Israelites had to be given so many physical and worldly instructions and rituals. They were there to teach them something. The carnal man can't receive anything from the Spirit of God so He had to give them physical lessons for spiritual understanding.

There is a reason they were given so many instructions for the temple and tabernacle...the alter..the showbread...even the position of the gate has a deeper meaning. Those laws had and still have a deeper truth.

What could they learn from not eating unclean foods? Eating unclean defiles the person eating them. When someone consumes unclean into their mind...what happens? Those thoughts that Paul spoke about that take us captive... those thoughts produce fruit and it will defile us. Jesus says in Mark (when being taunted by Pharisees that just can't grasp the big picture)...it is not what you put in your mouth that defiles you.
 
Going back to the book of Lev we can undersatnd why the kosher laws were in place. They were to teach the Israelites the difference between clean and unclean physically so they could undestand the spiritual concept of holiness. Those lessons didn't go over so well...lessons meant to teach people morals and ethics didn't lead to moral and ethical people...in fact it lead to self-righteousness. Given this conversation before that Jesus was having in the NT in Mark 7..it would appear he was changing the Kosher laws...and it's easy to see why. There is nothing evil about eating pork.

Pretty sure Jesus never ate it. Being a good Jew and all.
 
Pretty sure Jesus never ate it. Being a good Jew and all.

lol...you're pretty sure? What difference does it make? Are you suggesting that somehow eating pork is a sin and Jesus's words were a lie in Mark 7? Will not eating pork make me more righteous than someone who does? Are you saying that some things that go in the mouth defile a man?

Jesus's words do not negate the OT..they fulfill the OT.
 
lol...you're pretty sure? What difference does it make? Are you suggesting that somehow eating pork is a sin and Jesus's words were a lie in Mark 7? Will not eating pork make me more righteous than someone who does? Are you saying that some things that go in the mouth defile a man?

Jesus's words do not negate the OT..they fulfill the OT.

I'm saying god told his people not to eat pork. Of course I know xtians don't follow that. Xtians pick and choose what they want to follow from the OT (NT too for that matter). They somehow think the OT doesn't apply to them, or that it was somehow made null and void by JC and the NT.

But you are right. Jesus' word do not negate the OT. Not one bit of it according to the bible.

Matthew 5:17-18 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

So if Jesus said (in so many words), "hey it's cool to eat pork," when god said it's definitely not cool, then it's no wonder xtians are so confused.

Eating pork is only one example btw.

We could take it up a notch to the 4th commandment, to "remember the sabbath day to keep it holy."

Sabbath day is the seventh day, which is Saturday, not Sunday.
 
There is a reason the OT is so different from the NT.. there is a reason the Israelites had to be given so many physical and worldly instructions and rituals. They were there to teach them something. The carnal man can't receive anything from the Spirit of God so He had to give them physical lessons for spiritual understanding.

There is a reason they were given so many instructions for the temple and tabernacle...the alter..the showbread...even the position of the gate has a deeper meaning. Those laws had and still have a deeper truth.

What could they learn from not eating unclean foods? Eating unclean defiles the person eating them. When someone consumes unclean into their mind...what happens? Those thoughts that Paul spoke about that take us captive... those thoughts produce fruit and it will defile us. Jesus says in Mark (when being taunted by Pharisees that just can't grasp the big picture)...it is not what you put in your mouth that defiles you.

I don't understand what is so difficult about this.
 
I don't get it. I have no problem understanding the bible. I don't understand....why can't people see what I see and why can't I explain it.


ceo..you aruge every rule and you lose the big picture...exactly what Jesus talked about aruging with the Pharisees....don't you see?
 
I'm saying god told his people not to eat pork. Of course I know xtians don't follow that. Xtians pick and choose what they want to follow from the OT (NT too for that matter). They somehow think the OT doesn't apply to them, or that it was somehow made null and void by JC and the NT.

But you are right. Jesus' word do not negate the OT. Not one bit of it according to the bible.

Matthew 5:17-18 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

So if Jesus said (in so many words), "hey it's cool to eat pork," when god said it's definitely not cool, then it's no wonder xtians are so confused.

Eating pork is only one example btw.

We could take it up a notch to the 4th commandment, to "remember the sabbath day to keep it holy."

Sabbath day is the seventh day, which is Saturday, not Sunday.

In that sentence Jesus said the law should stand til all be fulfilled. Also in the sentence he said he came to fulfill it, which he did so via his death. The point of God's law was not to make man righteous, but to show man that he was a sinner and that God was righteous. That's what Jesus came to do, and when he'd done so, the law was fulfilled, but Jesus left behind plenty of other laws to follow. All 10 commandments are named in the New Testament, for example, not as a group, but they're all there...

That being said, you're right on the Saturday being the Sabbath thing. Jesus asked that his followers observe the Sabbath and Christians blatantly choose not to do so by holding services on Sunday.
 
Hebrews 10:9-10 There remains, then, a Sabbath...rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his.

The Sabbath was a sign of the OLD covenant. In the NEW covenant, Christ is our sabbath. We have His rest everyday, and resting in Christ IS resting just as God did according to the above scripture.

What anyone does on Saturday/Sunday is not done by command..nor does the day matter.

Commandment # 1: Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Mark 12:29,32; Rom 3:30; 1The 1:9; 1Cor 8:4,6; Gal 3:20; Eph 4:6; 1Tim 2:5; James 2:19. Love the Lord your God (Mat 22:39; Mark 12:30; Luke 10:27; 2Ti 3:4; Luke 11:42).

Commandment # 2: Stay away from idols. Acts 15:20,29; Eph 5:5; 1Cor 5:11; 1Th 1:9; Acts 17:16; Acts 21:25; 1Cor 6:9; 1Pe 4:3-4; 1Cor 10:7,14; 1John 5:21; Rev 2:14,20; Rev 9:20; Rev 21:8; Rev 22:15.

Commandment # 3: Do not take the name of the Lord in vain. Rom 2:24; 1Tim 6:1; Rev 16:9; Rev 13:6; Mat 12:31; Rev 16:9; James 2:7.

Commandment # 4: NOT ONE VERSE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT

Commadment # 5: Honor your father and mother. Rom 1:30; 2Tim 3:2; Mat 19:19; Luke 18:20; Mat 15:4; Mark 10:19; Eph 6:2; Mark 7:10.

Commandment # 6: Do not kill. Mark 10:19; Mat 19:18; Luke 18:20; Rom 13:9; Rom 1:29; Gal 5:21; 1Tim 1:9; 1Pe 4:15; 1John 3:15; Rev 9:21; Rev 21:8; Rev 22:15.

Commadment # 7: Do not comit adultery. Mar 10:19; Mat 19:18; Luke 16:18; Luke 18:20; Heb 13:4; Mat 5:27; Gal 5:19; Mat 15:19-20; Mark 7:121; Mark 10:11-12; Rom 13:9; 1Cor 6:9.

Commandment # 8: Do not steal. Mat 19:18; Mark 10:19; Luke 18:20; 1Cor 6:9; Rom 13:9; Rom 2:21; 1Cor 6:9-10; Eph 4:28; 1Pe 4:15.

Commandment # 9. Do not lie. Mat 19:18; Mark 10:19; Luke 18:20; Rom 13:9; John 8:44; Acts 5:3; Col 3:9; Rev 21:27; Rev 22:15.

Commandment # 10. Do not covet. Eph 5:3,5; Mark 7:22-23; 2Pe 2:14; 1Cor 6:9; Rom 13:9; luke 12:15; 1Cor 5:11; 1Tim 6:10; 1Tim 3:2; Rom 1:29; Rom 7:7; Col 3:5-6.
 
Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others. Matthew 23:23

Certain moral imperatives are intrinsically moral, and other moral imperatives are extrinsically moral. I'll say it again; you miss the point by arguing every point. Don't lose the big picture...I'm easily lost in details so I understand how easy it is..but allow yourself first to grasp the big picture then the details will make sense.
 
Commandment # 4: NOT ONE VERSE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT

Hebrews 4:9-11 9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his (If you're doing it just as God did from his, then are you not doing it on a Saturday? Because to do it on a Sunday would not be doing it just as God did, which goes back to picking and choosing). 11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.

And on that note, I don't see how you don't think a day of rest holds any religious value. If that's what you think, then you've missed God's point. God's reason for a Sabbath was never to give man a break from a hard week at work lol. God wasn't trying to be nice. His reason for the Sabbath was so that on that day, man could stop all he was doing long enough to honor God and all he had done...and I think that holds tons of religious value, don't you?

...but I'm not particularly religious, I just don't see how a religious person could not see value in making sure one takes enough time to give praise to the God they hold so dear.
 
Hebrews 4:9-11 9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his (If you're doing it just as God did from his, then are you not doing it on a Saturday? Because to do it on a Sunday would not be doing it just as God did, which goes back to picking and choosing). 11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.

And on that note, I don't see how you don't think a day of rest holds any religious value. If that's what you think, then you've missed God's point. God's reason for a Sabbath was never to give man a break from a hard week at work lol. God wasn't trying to be nice. His reason for the Sabbath was so that on that day, man could stop all he was doing long enough to honor God and all he had done...and I think that holds tons of religious value, don't you?

...but I'm not particularly religious, I just don't see how a religious person could not see value in making sure one takes enough time to give praise to the God they hold so dear.

The Jews got it right. Seventh Day Adventists too. lol.

I'd quote the "not one jot or tittle" verse, but I guess that doesn't really mean what it means. Fuck the Sabbath! It's whenever you want it to be or not at all. That commandment wasn't as important as the rest of them obviously. I mean there's barely any mention of it in the NEW Testament after all. Pretty sure god didn't really mean to put that one in there anyway. lolol.

Fuck it! Why not toss out the other commandments too? If one is meaningless/worhtless, then surely they are all worthless. :D
 
Hebrews 4:9-11 9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his (If you're doing it just as God did from his, then are you not doing it on a Saturday? Because to do it on a Sunday would not be doing it just as God did, which goes back to picking and choosing). 11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.

The sabbath in the OT was a lesson and a sign between God and Israel..not God and the church.

And on that note, I don't see how you don't think a day of rest holds any religious value. If that's what you think, then you've missed God's point. God's reason for a Sabbath was never to give man a break from a hard week at work lol. God wasn't trying to be nice. His reason for the Sabbath was so that on that day, man could stop all he was doing long enough to honor God and all he had done...and I think that holds tons of religious value, don't you?

...but I'm not particularly religious, I just don't see how a religious person could not see value in making sure one takes enough time to give praise to the God they hold so dear.

I posted the Hebrews verse in my post as well..it was the first verse I posted.

I posted earlier in the thread the differences between the old and new testament and feel that explains itself. Why would I act as if I was seeing a shadow when I see the real person? Why would I act as a carnal Jew. If I thought that I needed to keep the Sabbath on Saturday and Sunday sabbath was a sin and that meant anything...wouldn't I be working my way to righteousness? I could stop going to church all together and work 7 days a week and it wouldn't do a thing for my salvation.

To use the OT term sabbath and apply that to NT gather and worship is to compare apples to oranges. It is really simple concept and I don't understand why people get so hung up on things like this.

I go to church every Sunday and I feel that it is important to praise God. I do try and rest one day a week. The day that I worship and rest is not important. Yes it is important to want to to the right thing and be like God..but it is also important to examine the heart and motivation for doing something for God. If I think that doing these things means anything to my salvation then I've lost my faith and rely on myself and we are supposed to empty ourselves of ourselves.
 
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The Jews got it right. Seventh Day Adventists too. lol.

I'd quote the "not one jot or tittle" verse, but I guess that doesn't really mean what it means. Fuck the Sabbath! It's whenever you want it to be or not at all. That commandment wasn't as important as the rest of them obviously. I mean there's barely any mention of it in the NEW Testament after all. Pretty sure god didn't really mean to put that one in there anyway. lolol.

Fuck it! Why not toss out the other commandments too? If one is meaningless/worhtless, then surely they are all worthless. :D

wait.. the Seventh Day Adventists believe that Sunday worship is the mark of the beast..lol! THEY have it right? lol!

The sabbath in the OT was a lesson and a sign between God and Israel..not God and the church.


lol...ceo I'm convinced that you just don't read my posts. I don't see how after all this time we still can't communicate when it comes to this subject. I understand it very clearly and I see no issue where you keep bringing up things that just do not matter. I think it's silly :p I still luv you tho

not eating bacon is also a law and I've explained why I'm not bound to that...so you bring up another law I'm not bound to. :lmao:
 
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"If you love me, keep my commandments."

Why 10 commandments again?

If you "do right by people", e.g. the variation of the "golden rule" applicable to most religions ... you don't kill him, fuck his wife, steal his shit, etc ...
 
what does this part mean to you?

agape..it is love that "keeps loving when it’s object is unresponsive, unkind, unlovable, and completely unworthy”. It gives one hundred percent and expects nothing in return. It is an impossible love. As Peter Kraft says, that “goes beyond worth, beyond justice, beyond reason”.

Jesus had different feelings for everyone but loved them all equally and absolutely. This included his enemies. This type of love is not human. It is divine. It's also the only love that can satisfy us that does not depend on someone else to give us something. IMO it is the reason so many relationships fail and people become estranged from one another. It is this that we are to practice every day to God and to each other.

We are held to a higher standard than the laws of the OT because that one point takes care of the rest. It's the big picture.
 
Too bad man is pretty much incapable of agape except towards probably their own children.

agape love is a natural outgrowth of love of God. If anyone claims to love God you will see it in their dealings with other people. It has nothing to do with how many inches of rain fell during the flood or what laws did the Jews follow in the OT and should be observe them today...
 
I'm not being argumentative when I say this, but I'm not following what that has to do with what I said? Are you saying you disagree that man is incapable of agape? I'm just clarifying. Im not sure what you meant.

Anyways, I don't think there's any difference in how someone who claims to love God deals with people and how a non-religious person with strong and good morals and character deals with people.
 
I'm not being argumentative when I say this, but I'm not following what that has to do with what I said? Are you saying you disagree that man is incapable of agape? I'm just clarifying. Im not sure what you meant.

Anyways, I don't think there's any difference in how someone who claims to love God deals with people and how a non-religious person with strong and good morals and character deals with people.

Sorry..I'm agreeing with you..because I believe that love to be divine. lol I'm more sick today than I was yesterday. :(

I don't think religion has anything to do with anything. Religion has nothing to do with love or the spiritual and means nothing.
 
Jesus had different feelings for everyone but loved them all equally and absolutely.

thx, Cindy

it wasn't a test, I just wanted to hear a Christian's perspective after reading Tolle

"To love is to recognize yourself in another."
— Eckhart Tolle

"Love is not selective, just as the light of the sun is not selective. It does not make one person special. It is not exclusive. Exclusivity is not the love of God but the "love" of ego. However, the intensity with which true love is felt can vary. There may be one person who reflects your love back to you more clearly and more intensely than others, and if that person feels the same toward you, it can be said that you are in a love relationship with him or her. The bond that connects you with that person is the same bond that connects you with the person sitting next to you on a bus, or with a bird, a tree, a flower. Only the degree of intensity with which it is felt differs."

— Eckhart Tolle (The Power of Now: A Guide to Spiritual Enlightenment)
 
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself

and if you do that you will keep his commandments.
 
Anyone who tries to find happiness or block unhappiness with material things has enslaved themselves..

All of those things..even religion put a wedge between people and God/happiness/freedom.

happiness cannot be pursed; it must ensue

~Frankl, "Man's Search for Meaning"
 
happiness cannot be pursed; it must ensue

~Frankl, "Man's Search for Meaning"

aahhh I've read that ;)

here is another xtian perspective on love outside of the usual C.S. Lewis..

I tried to take out some of the stuff that I thought didn't matter...it's still pretty long..sorry....lol

Love by Peter Kreeft

God's word tells us, straight as a left jab, that love is the greatest thing there is (1 Cor 13: 13). Scripture never says God is justice or beauty or righteousness, though he is just and beautiful and righteous. But "God is love" (1 Jn 4:8). Love is God's essence, his whole being. Everything in him is love. Even his justice is love. Paul identifies "the justice of God" in Romans 1:17 with the most unjust event in all history, deicide, the crucifixion, for that was God's great act of love.

But no word is more misunderstood in our society than the word love. One of the most useful books we can read is C. S. Lewis' unpretentious little masterpiece The Four Loves. There, he clearly distinguishes agape, the kind of love Christ taught and showed, from storge (natural affection or liking), eros (sexual desire), and philia (friendship). It is agape that is the greatest thing in the world.

The first and most usual misunderstanding of agape is to confuse it with a feeling. Our feelings are precious, but agape is more precious. Feelings come to us, passively; agape comes from us, actively, by our free choice. We are not responsible for our feelings-we can't help how we feel-but we are responsible for our agape or lack of it, eternally responsible, for agape comes from us; feelings come from wind, weather, and digestion. "Luv" comes from spring breezes; real love comes from the center of the soul, which Scripture calls the heart (another word we have sentimentalized and reduced to feeling). Liking is a feeling. But love (agape) is more than strong liking. Only a fool would command someone to feel a certain way. God commands us to love, and God is no fool.

God is agape, and agape is not feeling. So God is not feeling. That does not make him or agape cold and abstract. Just the opposite: God is love itself, feeling is the dribs and drabs of love received into the medium of passivity. God cannot fall in love for the same reason water cannot get wet: it is wet. Love itself cannot receive love as a passivity, only spread it as an activity. God is love in action, not love in dreams. Feelings are like dreams: easy, passive, spontaneous. Agape is hard and precious like a diamond.

This brings us to a second and related misunderstanding. Agape's object is always the concrete individual, not some abstraction called humanity. Love of humanity is easy because humanity does not surprise you with inconvenient demands. You never find humanity on your doorstep, stinking and begging.

Jesus commands us to love not humanity but our neighbor, all our neighbors, the real individuals we meet, just as he did. He died for me and for you, not for humanity. The Cross has our names on it, not the name "humanity". When Jesus called himself the Good Shepherd, he said he "calls his own sheep by name" (Jn 10:3). The gospel comes to you not in a newspaper with a Xeroxed label, "Dear Occupant", but in a handwritten envelope personally addressed to you, as a love letter from God to you alone. One of the saints says that Jesus would have done everything he did and suffered everything he suffered even if you were the only person who had sinned, just for you. More than that, he did! This is no " if" ; this is fact. His loving eyes saw you from the Cross. Each of his five wounds were lips speaking your name.

A third, related, misunderstanding about love is to confuse it with kindness, which is only one of its usual attributes. Kindness is the desire to relieve another's suffering. Love is the willing of another's good. A father can spank his child out of love. And God is a father.

It is painfully obvious that God is not mere kindness, for he does not remove all suffering, though he has the power to do so. Indeed, this very fact-that the God who is omnipotent and can at any instant miraculously erase all suffering from this world deliberately chooses not to do so-is the commonest argument unbelievers use against him. The number one argument for atheism stems from the confusion between love and kindness.

The more we love someone, the more our love goes beyond kindness.

A fourth misunderstanding about love is the confusion between "God is love" and "love is God." The worship of love instead of the worship of God involves two deadly mistakes. First it uses the word God only as another word for love. God is thought of as a force or energy rather than as a person. Second, it divinizes the love we already know instead of showing us a love we don't know. To understand this point, consider that "A is B" does not mean the same as "A equals B." If A = B, then B = A, but if A is B, that does not mean that B is A. "That house is wood" does not mean "wood is that house." "An angel is spirit" does not mean the same as "spirit is an angel." When we say "A is B", we begin with a subject, A, that we assume our hearer already knows, and then we add a new predicate to it. "Mother is sick" means "You know mother well, let me tell you something you don't know about her: she's sick." So "God is love" means "Let me tell you something new about the God you know: he is essential love, made of love, through and through." But "Love is God" means "Let me tell you something about the love you already know, your own human love: that is God. That is the ultimate reality. That is as far as anything can ever go. Seek no further for God." In other words, "God is love" is the profoundest thing we have ever heard. But "love is God" is deadly nonsense.


A fifth misunderstanding about love is the idea that you can be in love with love. No, you cannot, any more than you can have faith in faith, or hope in hope, or see sight. Love is an act, a force, or an energy, but persons are more than that. What we love with agape can only be a person, the realest thing there is, because a person is the image of God, who is ultimate reality, and God's name is I Am, the name for a person. If anyone says they are in love with love, that love is not agape but a feeling.

A sixth misunderstanding about love is the idea that "God is love" is unrelated to dogmatic theology, especially to the doctrine of the Trinity. Everyone can agree that "God is love", it seems, but the Trinity is a tangled dogma for an esoteric elite, isn't it? No. If God is not a Trinity, God is not love. For love requires three things: a lover, a beloved, and a relationship between them. If God were only one person, he could be a lover, but not love itself. The Father loves the Son and the Son loves the Father, and the Spirit is the love proceeding from both, from all eternity. If that were not so, then God would need us, would be incomplete without us, without someone to love. Then his creating us would not be wholly unselfish, but selfish, from his own need.

Agape is totally defenseless against an objection like Freud's: "But not all men are worthy of love." No, they are not. Love goes beyond worth, beyond justice, beyond reason. Reasons are always given from above downward, and there is nothing above love, for God is love.

Finally, there is the equally mind-boggling mystery of the intrinsic paradox of agape: somehow in agape you give yourself away, not just your time or work or possessions or even your body. You put yourself in your own hands and hand it over to another. And when you do this unthinkable thing, another unthinkable thing happens: you find yourself in losing yourself. You begin to be when you give yourself away. You find that a new and more real self has somehow been given to you. When you are a donor you mysteriously find yourself a recipient-of the very gift you gave away.

There is more: nothing else is really yours. Your health, your works, your intelligence, your possessions-these are not what they seem. They are all hostage to fortune, on loan, insubstantial. You discover that when you learn who God is. Face to face with God in prayer, not just a proper concept of God, you find that you are nothing. All the saints say this: you are nothing. The closer you get to God the more you see this, the more you shrink in size. If you scorn God, you think you're a big shot, a cannonball; if you know God, you know you're not even buckshot. Those who scorn God think they're number one. Those who have the popular idea of God think they're "good people". Those who have a merely mental orthodoxy know they're real but finite creatures, made in God's image but flawed by sin. Those who really begin to pray find that compared with God they are motes of dust in the sun. Finally, the saints say they are nothing. Or else (Saint Paul's words) "the chief of sinners". Sinners think they're saints and saints think they're sinners.

Who's right? How shall we evaluate this insight? Unless God is the Father of lies (the ultimate blasphemy), the saints are right. Unless the closer you get to God the wronger you are about yourself, the five groups in the preceding paragraph (from scorners to saints) form a hierarchy of insight. Nothing is ours by nature. Our very existence is sheer gift. Think for a moment about the fact that you were created, made out of nothing. If a sculptor gives a block of marble the gift of a fine shape, the shape is a gift, but the marble's existence is not. That is the marble's own. But nothing is our own because we were made out of nothing. Our very existence is a gift from God to no one, for we were not there before he created us. There is no receiver of the gift distinct from the gift itself. We are God's gifts.

So the saints are right. If I am nothing, nothing that is mine is anything. Nothing is mine by nature. But one thing is mine by my free choice: the self I give away in love. That is the thing even God cannot do for me. It is my choice. Everything I say is mine is not. But everything I say is yours is mine. C. S. Lewis, asked which of his many library books he thought he would have in heaven, replied, "Only the ones I gave away on earth and never got back". The same is true of our very self. It is like a ball in a game of catch: throw it and it will come back to you; hold onto it and that ends the game
 
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sparknotes?

maybe she can put it through...

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I'd be interested to see if soberlou was the same as sobernev when he just tried to stop drinking at that level. DT's are hell on earth, but soberlou has never skipped a beat.
 
really niggas? reellllly? niigas out dere believer there is this one motherufuckin book, a bunch of fuckin pieces of paper explains everything u need to fuckin know bout the motherfuckin universe??? HEY MOTHERFUCKERS U KNOW HOW MANY MOTHERFUCKING STARS THERE ARE??? U KNOW HOW MUCH FUCKIN TIME THIS MOTHERFUCKER OF A UNIVERSE HAS BEEN HERE????? and u think everything u need to know is in this one fuckin book??? its not even a long fuckin book... u some sorry motherfuckers out there spreadin this fuckin nonsense shame on u scared ass motherfuckers.. WTF IS WRONG WITH U??? SCARED TO THINK FOR UR FUCKIN SELF?? WTF?!?!!?1//1//1//13orpu9

bottle of merlot + pack of sweets rant over.

BTW Cindy if u would ever want a christian housedad ill convert no prob, i could be a pastor or some shit babygirl u fine as hell
 
really niggas? reellllly? niigas out dere believer there is this one motherufuckin book, a bunch of fuckin pieces of paper explains everything u need to fuckin know bout the motherfuckin universe??? HEY MOTHERFUCKERS U KNOW HOW MANY MOTHERFUCKING STARS THERE ARE??? U KNOW HOW MUCH FUCKIN TIME THIS MOTHERFUCKER OF A UNIVERSE HAS BEEN HERE????? and u think everything u need to know is in this one fuckin book??? its not even a long fuckin book... u some sorry motherfuckers out there spreadin this fuckin nonsense shame on u scared ass motherfuckers.. WTF IS WRONG WITH U??? SCARED TO THINK FOR UR FUCKIN SELF?? WTF?!?!!?1//1//1//13orpu9

bottle of merlot + pack of sweets rant over.

BTW Cindy if u would ever want a christian housedad ill convert no prob, i could be a pastor or some shit babygirl u fine as hell

I see your point.

Eloquently phrased, btw
 
Our bodies are our temple. To be flooded with bottles of hard liquor while being a sloth (sitting on EF for all hours of the day.

LOL! Don't project your problems onto me. I was joking when I said I was better..obviously I'm not. I have no idea what DT is or if it's hell on earth. You're a moron if you think I drink at that level on a regular basis (I'm saying that with a smile). Really? I posted on here the two times in my life that I drank that much. EF is a great place to fall apart if you don't have the option IRL...lol @ thinking I fell apart IRL. I've always had my shit together. As far as posting on EF all day...I don't. I posted this weekend because I was sick and stuck at home. I have a schedule..if I do post during the week is the hour after I get up while I'm having my coffee before I workout..that's it. My day is very scheduled... to imply that I sit on here all day posting heatherrae style is ridiculous because that's just not happening. If you don't like my posts...its easy... don't read them. I don't know what you think I do IRL off this board...but its not what you're doing or struggling with..I'm sorry. There is a reason that I've never skipped a beat...look..I'll admit that I have a little crush on rum..but it's not what you're thinking! :wink: I do not have physical symptoms when I don't drink and it did not give me any problems. I cut back when it got out of control and I should have never let someone talk me into thinking I had a problem when I knew I didn't. That's the end of it. Period.

Any other posts from you that seem to be attacking me I will ignore from this moment forward. I'm not going to waste time arguing with epersonas.

You're the one that sits in platchat all day during your free time..everything you are attacking me for..seems to be things you have problems with..not me. Just sayin. You stop giving me shit about things you struggle with..we'll be fine. If you can't do that..just stop reading my posts or put me on ignore or something.
 
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LOL! Don't project your problems onto me. I was joking when I said I was better..obviously I'm not. I have no idea what DT is or if it's hell on earth. You're a moron if you think I drink at that level on a regular basis (I'm saying that with a smile). Really? I posted on here the two times in my life that I drank that much. EF is a great place to fall apart if you don't have the option IRL...lol @ thinking I fell apart IRL. I've always had my shit together. As far as posting on EF all day...I don't. I posted this weekend because I was sick and stuck at home. I have a schedule..if I do post during the week is the hour after I get up while I'm having my coffee before I workout..that's it. My day is very scheduled... to imply that I sit on here all day posting heatherrae style is ridiculous because that's just not happening. If you don't like my posts...its easy... don't read them. I don't know what you think I do IRL off this board...but its not what you're doing or struggling with..I'm sorry. There is a reason that I've never skipped a beat...look..I'll admit that I have a little crush on rum..but it's not what you're thinking! :wink: I do not have physical symptoms when I don't drink and it did not give me any problems. I cut back when it got out of control and I should have never let someone talk me into thinking I had a problem when I knew I didn't. That's the end of it. Period.

Any other posts from you that seem to be attacking me I will ignore from this moment forward. I'm not going to waste time arguing with epersonas.

You're the one that sits in platchat all day during your free time..everything you are attacking me for..seems to be things you have problems with..not me. Just sayin. You stop giving me shit about things you struggle with..we'll be fine. If you can't do that..just stop reading my posts or put me on ignore or something.

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I read a couple pages but I cannot believe you guys don't know the reason.

rural people and people in the south are the most church going. and rural people and people in the south don't know how to eat healthy and don't exercise. hence they are fat. its really that simple. people in the northeast are more health consious and less church going. people in NYC vs. people in Mobile, Alabama.
 
I read a couple pages but I cannot believe you guys don't know the reason.

rural people and people in the south are the most church going. and rural people and people in the south don't know how to eat healthy and don't exercise. hence they are fat. its really that simple. people in the northeast are more health consious and less church going. people in NYC vs. people in Mobile, Alabama.

Philly has been rated the fattest city in the nation a number of times and there's a pretty strong presence of religion there. I live in Salt Lake and it's religious as hell but we're consistently rated one of the fittest cities in the nation. The south just has unhealthy food. Period. Churchy and non-churchy folks down there are fat as fuck eating all that delicious fried shit.
 
Philly has been rated the fattest city in the nation a number of times and there's a pretty strong presence of religion there. I live in Salt Lake and it's religious as hell but we're consistently rated one of the fittest cities in the nation. The south just has unhealthy food. Period. Churchy and non-churchy folks down there are fat as fuck eating all that delicious fried shit.

Agreed. Foods at the Florida State Fair: Ice cream burger (burger w/ a scoop of fried ice cream on it), Krispy Kreme burger (burger w/ doughnuts as buns), fried butter, fried pepsi, fried twinkies, fried oreos, fried snickers, fried pb&J

But stevesmi is totally right, that's all godly. Jesus sat down with the apostles at the Last Supper and had fried butter and a Krispy Kreme Burger and washed it down with a big, sugary lemonade.
 
God made fried shit and therefore God is making people fat. I love me some fried chicken so count me in. Thank you God for fried chicken.

[CHRISTIAN]

But God also made healthy foods. And he made free choice so we could choose either or both.

[/CHRISTIAN]
 
fried frito chili pie was the fuckn bom at the texas state fair, fried snickers off the chain, fried oreos are poo poo tho
 
Cindy it's pretty much cola mixed into a batter then deep fried. I've never tried it, but I know it's one of the stupid fvcking fried things at the FL State Fair.
 
Philly has been rated the fattest city in the nation a number of times and there's a pretty strong presence of religion there. I live in Salt Lake and it's religious as hell but we're consistently rated one of the fittest cities in the nation. The south just has unhealthy food. Period. Churchy and non-churchy folks down there are fat as fuck eating all that delicious fried shit.



the last report I saw had the fattest city as Houston, Texas. literally everyone there is fat.

Salt Lake is a perfect example of an exception to the rule. Mormons are incredibly fit. they do not (for the most part) smoke, drink, eat bad foods, and they exercise. I know cause I dated a Mormon girl and i took her on a date for ice cream and she felt guilty just from that lol. you live in Salt Lake you lucky f*k, those mormon women are beautiful.
 
the last report I saw had the fattest city as Houston, Texas. literally everyone there is fat.

Salt Lake is a perfect example of an exception to the rule. Mormons are incredibly fit. they do not (for the most part) smoke, drink, eat bad foods, and they exercise. I know cause I dated a Mormon girl and i took her on a date for ice cream and she felt guilty just from that lol. you live in Salt Lake you lucky f*k, those mormon women are beautiful.

Anyone who thinks everyone in Houston is fat has never jogged around Memorial Park. There is a constant stream of movie star hot women both in face and bod.
 
Anyone who thinks everyone in Houston is fat has never jogged around Memorial Park. There is a constant stream of movie star hot women both in face and bod.

correct. I've never jogged around Memorial Park. but I would bet in any city in American you will find fit people jogging at parks.


America's Fattest Cities : Men's Health Metrogrades

houson is #9. and 5 out of the top 9 are in Texas. so we can safely assume TX is a fat state (with the exception of Austin)
 
People who regularly attend religious activities tend to use less birth control.

The womenz have multiple kids so they get fat.

The dad's get depressed with their fat wives and binge drink and eat chips. They get fat too.

This is my diagnosis.

we have 3 kids...

<------- that is me

my wife is 5'6" 110

i'm 47

she's 45

we attend catholic services every sunday

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