Does God make you fat?

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Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Duderonomy

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[Mr. dB]

I probably used a bad phrase....I'm sick today. IMO...humans have a dual nature..a physical nature and a spiritual nature.

There's no difference. The "spirit" is a product of organic brain function.

 

[cindylou]

There's no difference. The "spirit" is a product of organic brain function.

Whatever you want to call it..I'm talking about that product. You don't have to label it spirt because that's what I've called it. Meaning, purpose, goals and the "mind" are not physical things but we can observe them....but maybe not directly. I know some people say that they don't exist...well I'm "one of those" that says they do..and our behavior is driven by them. JMO.

What about our self consiousness? Is that not an indicator of our tanscendent nature?

 

[cindylou]

Going back to the book of Lev we can undersatnd why the kosher laws were in place. They were to teach the Israelites the difference between clean and unclean physically so they could undestand the spiritual concept of holiness. Those lessons didn't go over so well...lessons meant to teach people morals and ethics didn't lead to moral and ethical people...in fact it lead to self-righteousness. Given this conversation before that Jesus was having in the NT in Mark 7..it would appear he was changing the Kosher laws...and it's easy to see why. There is nothing evil about eating pork.

There is a reason the OT is so different from the NT.. there is a reason the Israelites had to be given so many physical and worldly instructions and rituals. They were there to teach them something. The carnal man can't receive anything from the Spirit of God so He had to give them physical lessons for spiritual understanding.

There is a reason they were given so many instructions for the temple and tabernacle...the alter..the showbread...even the position of the gate has a deeper meaning. Those laws had and still have a deeper truth.

What could they learn from not eating unclean foods? Eating unclean defiles the person eating them. When someone consumes unclean into their mind...what happens? Those thoughts that Paul spoke about that take us captive... those thoughts produce fruit and it will defile us. Jesus says in Mark (when being taunted by Pharisees that just can't grasp the big picture)...it is not what you put in your mouth that defiles you.

 

[ceo]

Going back to the book of Lev we can undersatnd why the kosher laws were in place. They were to teach the Israelites the difference between clean and unclean physically so they could undestand the spiritual concept of holiness. Those lessons didn't go over so well...lessons meant to teach people morals and ethics didn't lead to moral and ethical people...in fact it lead to self-righteousness. Given this conversation before that Jesus was having in the NT in Mark 7..it would appear he was changing the Kosher laws...and it's easy to see why. There is nothing evil about eating pork.

Pretty sure Jesus never ate it. Being a good Jew and all.

 

[cindylou]

Pretty sure Jesus never ate it. Being a good Jew and all.

lol...you're pretty sure? What difference does it make? Are you suggesting that somehow eating pork is a sin and Jesus's words were a lie in Mark 7? Will not eating pork make me more righteous than someone who does? Are you saying that some things that go in the mouth defile a man?

Jesus's words do not negate the OT..they fulfill the OT.

 

[mrplunkey]

There's no difference. The "spirit" is a product of organic brain function.

MM is sooooo gonna be up in yo' shizzle.

I can't wait to see the post!

 

[cindylou]

Pretty sure Jesus never ate it. Being a good Jew and all.

pretty sure I'm not a Jew...

 

[ceo]

lol...you're pretty sure? What difference does it make? Are you suggesting that somehow eating pork is a sin and Jesus's words were a lie in Mark 7? Will not eating pork make me more righteous than someone who does? Are you saying that some things that go in the mouth defile a man?

Jesus's words do not negate the OT..they fulfill the OT.

I'm saying god told his people not to eat pork. Of course I know xtians don't follow that. Xtians pick and choose what they want to follow from the OT (NT too for that matter). They somehow think the OT doesn't apply to them, or that it was somehow made null and void by JC and the NT.

But you are right. Jesus' word do not negate the OT. Not one bit of it according to the bible.

Matthew 5:17-18 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

So if Jesus said (in so many words), "hey it's cool to eat pork," when god said it's definitely not cool, then it's no wonder xtians are so confused.

Eating pork is only one example btw.

We could take it up a notch to the 4th commandment, to "remember the sabbath day to keep it holy."

Sabbath day is the seventh day, which is Saturday, not Sunday.

 

[cindylou]

There is a reason the OT is so different from the NT.. there is a reason the Israelites had to be given so many physical and worldly instructions and rituals. They were there to teach them something. The carnal man can't receive anything from the Spirit of God so He had to give them physical lessons for spiritual understanding.

There is a reason they were given so many instructions for the temple and tabernacle...the alter..the showbread...even the position of the gate has a deeper meaning. Those laws had and still have a deeper truth.

What could they learn from not eating unclean foods? Eating unclean defiles the person eating them. When someone consumes unclean into their mind...what happens? Those thoughts that Paul spoke about that take us captive... those thoughts produce fruit and it will defile us. Jesus says in Mark (when being taunted by Pharisees that just can't grasp the big picture)...it is not what you put in your mouth that defiles you.

I don't understand what is so difficult about this.