do you always have to be right?

[Sub-Zero]

i dont mean be right in opinion or fairness arguements, but in stuff that is sequence of events, such as "you did that, then i did that, u did that, then i did that, so we are even" (thats just an example).

in situations where you cant just say "agree to disagree, its opinion", do you argue untill you get your point across or the other person backs down?

or do you make a neutral statement to shrug off caring?

or do you back down and let the person think they are right when they are clearly wrong and just makeing shit up and being a faggot?

 

[Lestat]

unfortunately yes, I always have to be right.

 

[Sub-Zero]

i personally end up arguging untill i piss the person off (even though im probably more pissed becuase im being wronged), or i just shrug it off but still say stuff to try and make the person feel like shit for being wrong and a douche.

sometimes im like "i dont care" but then they keep on arguging their incorrect bullshit.

it really pisses me off when its so obvious someone is wrong and they have to be mentally retarded to think/imagine what they are to the point that im not sure if they are trying to trick me or not, so i have to argue just incase

 

[Sub-Zero]

unfortunately yes, I always have to be right.

same here. i feel like it makes life alot more stressfull than it has to be. but i get personally hurt by friends too easy to let them get away with shit, because i know if i didnt know someone that well id just tell them to fuck off.

i always assume i can explain why they are wrong, when really the most effective/least stressful thing is to make fun of them or be witty untill they backdown. but i always give my friends the beneifit of the doubt and try to use logic. but that always ends up to a bigger arguement than if i would just pwn them from the beginning. but it sucks if you care about the person cause you dont want them thinking you are a dick.

i feel like most people i interact with (there is a good handful that are able to use logic and not be retarded though, and are capable of deeper thinking who are always refreshing to be around) are just very simple. i dont know any other way to put it

 

[curvymommy]

i dont mean be right in opinion or fairness arguements, but in stuff that is sequence of events, such as "you did that, then i did that, u did that, then i did that, so we are even" (thats just an example).

in situations where you cant just say "agree to disagree, its opinion", do you argue untill you get your point across or the other person backs down?

or do you make a neutral statement to shrug off caring?

or do you back down and let the person think they are right when they are clearly wrong and just makeing shit up and being a faggot?

LOL, No! I don't but my DH does. He freakin loves to debate about everything and is ALWAYS right, lol.

 

[Sub-Zero]

LOL, No! I don't but my DH does. He freakin loves to debate about everything and is ALWAYS right, lol.

nah i dont mean debates or questional opinion stuff.


this is just an example that happened:

snowball fight, i wasnt really getitng involved someone hit me so i got them back and they got me "back" for getting them back so i got them again cause thats what a fuckin snowball fight is and he started bitching at me.

he hit me so i followed him into chipotle and put it down his shirt. then he grabbed it (it was pretty much ice) and smacked me in the face with it in his hand and cut me up a lil bit. i didnt care and just wanted to keep playing around but the manage made us leave. so we get outside and he starts yelling at me to put the snow down and i throw it at him, and he defelcts it into his own face.

his face had no marks, mine had scratches and he starts bitching at me for creating a sceen blah blah blah and starts a huge arguement, and i tried to explain to him you cant start a snowball fight and fuck up someones face and then yell at them for getting you back. it just doesnt work that way. but he kept arguing and yelling at me and then started to say i started it and deny the sequence of events.

i just coudlnt back down and didnt even get mad but in the "i dont give a shit laugh it off" style of arguging im like "dude its not a big deal im having fun your the one who started arguing" then he tried to say i started arguign! it was rediculous!!

in situations like that:

do you have to argue till you are right? or just say "sure dude your right now fuck off", or what do you do

 

[ceo]

unfortunately yes, I always have to be right.

I KNEW this thread was about YOU!!!!!!!

First poster that came into my mind when I read this title. lmao!

 

[Mr. dB]

I don't have to be, it just sort of works out that way.

 

[Sub-Zero]

nah i dont mean debates or questional opinion stuff.


this is just an example that happened:

snowball fight, i wasnt really getitng involved someone hit me so i got them back and they got me "back" for getting them back so i got them again cause thats what a fuckin snowball fight is and he started bitching at me.

he hit me so i followed him into chipotle and put it down his shirt. then he grabbed it (it was pretty much ice) and smacked me in the face with it in his hand and cut me up a lil bit. i didnt care and just wanted to keep playing around but the manage made us leave. so we get outside and he starts yelling at me to put the snow down and i throw it at him, and he defelcts it into his own face.

his face had no marks, mine had scratches and he starts bitching at me for creating a sceen blah blah blah and starts a huge arguement, and i tried to explain to him you cant start a snowball fight and fuck up someones face and then yell at them for getting you back. it just doesnt work that way. but he kept arguing and yelling at me and then started to say i started it and deny the sequence of events.

i just coudlnt back down and didnt even get mad but in the "i dont give a shit laugh it off" style of arguging im like "dude its not a big deal im having fun your the one who started arguing" then he tried to say i started arguign! it was rediculous!!

in situations like that:

do you have to argue till you are right? or just say "sure dude your right now fuck off", or what do you do

oh yeah, i didnt know i had my face fucked up till i looked in a mirror way after this all took place. had i known he fucked my face up and was looking at my fucked up face as he was yelling at me blaming me i probably would have tackled him into the ground.

so he fucked my face up, started it, i was cool with playing around, and he still tried to bitch me out!!

 

[eddymerckx]

laywer--always right and always wrong--just depends on your perspective

 

[all the whey]

LOL, No! I don't but my DH does. He freakin loves to debate about everything and is ALWAYS right, lol.

Just remember that he is ALWAYS right.

 

[nefertiti]

i dont mean be right in opinion or fairness arguements, but in stuff that is sequence of events, such as "you did that, then i did that, u did that, then i did that, so we are even" (thats just an example).

in situations where you cant just say "agree to disagree, its opinion", do you argue untill you get your point across or the other person backs down?

or do you make a neutral statement to shrug off caring?

or do you back down and let the person think they are right when they are clearly wrong and just makeing shit up and being a faggot?

nope. Perfectly happy to agree to disagree. Some things just aren't worth getting into a fight over.

 

[Sub-Zero]

laywer--always right and always wrong--just depends on your perspective

thats a good point. so you just have get everyone else on your side.

it sucks because the one kid who was there and saw it all just laughed because we always point out how our dumber friends literally forget stuff or make the dumbest nonsensical arguements but just stick by it so long.

and the other friend was like "yeah you were arguing", saying i was wrong when th eother kid started the arguement about the dumb snowball fight. but that kid always says the opposite of what i say because we are roomates and roomates always end up fighting alot and have to disagree with eachother (when you are a simple minded idiot like he is)

 

[Sub-Zero]

nope. Perfectly happy to agree to disagree. Some things just aren't worth getting into a fight over.

lol!!! cheater, i dont mean over things that are opinon where you "agree to disagree"

i mean factual laid out solid things. like the sky is blue. or we made a left turn. or the earth goes through patterns of heating and cooling, or that you drink water to get undehydrated

 

[all the whey]

nope. Perfectly happy to agree to disagree. Some things just aren't worth getting into a fight over.

That's because you are perfect.

 

[Sub-Zero]

That's because you are perfect.

 

[eddymerckx]

lol!!! cheater, i dont mean over things that are opinon where you "agree to disagree"

i mean factual laid out solid things. like the sky is blue. or we made a left turn. or the earth goes through patterns of heating and cooling, or that you drink water to get undehydrated

i am not sure why, but agree to disagree is such an alan alda wuss phrase---damnit--the proper follow-up to such a a statement is Rochambeau til the death

 

[nefertiti]

lol!!! cheater, i dont mean over things that are opinon where you "agree to disagree"

i mean factual laid out solid things. like the sky is blue. or we made a left turn. or the earth goes through patterns of heating and cooling, or that you drink water to get undehydrated

Even then. It just isn't worth it to me. I can't say I've ever argued with someone about something clearly factual, though. But even in cases where I might have, I'm far more passive. I have my opinions, and I am strong in them, but I keep them separate from those close to me. I care...a lot. But do I feel the need to convert people around me to my line of thinking? No.

 

[all the whey]

Even then. It just isn't worth it to me. I can't say I've ever argued with someone about something clearly factual, though. But even in cases where I might have, I'm far more passive. I have my opinions, and I am strong in them, but I keep them separate from those close to me. I care...a lot. But do I feel the need to convert people around me to my line of thinking? No.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Even then. It just isn't worth it to me. I can't say I've ever argued with someone about something clearly factual, though. But even in cases where I might have, I'm far more passive. I have my opinions, and I am strong in them, but I keep them separate from those close to me. I care...a lot. But do I feel the need to convert people around me to my line of thinking? No.

read my example and tell me how you would have handled the situation?

"sorry dude, you are wrong"

or "it just didnt happen taht way"

what line do you use, that doesnt cause them to say something back? or they say "your an idiot and blah blah" say like 2 or 3 untrue things, you just say "okay yeah" or nothing at all to shut them up?

and let them think they are right? hmmm that doesnt EVER work. guess im not hot enough

 

[nefertiti]

read my example and tell me how you would have handled the situation?

"sorry dude, you are wrong"

or "it just didnt happen taht way"

what line do you use, that doesnt cause them to say something back? or they say "your an idiot and blah blah" say like 2 or 3 untrue things, you just say "okay yeah" or nothing at all to shut them up?

and let them think they are right? hmmm that doesnt EVER work. guess im not hot enough

Something like that?

"Ok, sure."

It's really not worth my time to be "right." I mean, in the long run, who the eff cares? being "right" is a silly thing to dwell on and a good way to waste time with loved ones.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Something like that?

"Ok, sure."

It's really not worth my time to be "right." I mean, in the long run, who the eff cares? being "right" is a silly thing to dwell on and a good way to waste time with loved ones.

so i can just say "okay sure" and ignore it? it sounds so easy but for some reason i always think i can just explain it to my friend and everything be cool.

i guess i get guilted to easy and worry too much about being a dick. people used to always say i was a huge dick (when i used to handle things that way), but i definately think i got more respect, and now that im trying to be a nicer guy, and not be a dick i find myself in more confrontations, its weird.

 

[nefertiti]

so i can just say "okay sure" and ignore it? it sounds so easy but for some reason i always think i can just explain it to my friend and everything be cool.

i guess i get guilted to easy and worry too much about being a dick. people used to always say i was a huge dick (when i used to handle things that way), but i definately think i got more respect, and now that im trying to be a nicer guy, and not be a dick i find myself in more confrontations, its weird.

I get the temptation to "explain," too, believe me. It just isn't worth it to me in most cases. But we all deal with that differently.

 

[Sub-Zero]

I get the temptation to "explain," too, believe me. It just isn't worth it to me in most cases. But we all deal with that differently.

how do you deal with it, is the topic of the thread

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

i personally end up arguging untill i piss the person off (even though im probably more pissed becuase im being wronged), or i just shrug it off but still say stuff to try and make the person feel like shit for being wrong and a douche.

sometimes im like "i dont care" but then they keep on arguging their incorrect bullshit.

it really pisses me off when its so obvious someone is wrong and they have to be mentally retarded to think/imagine what they are to the point that im not sure if they are trying to trick me or not, so i have to argue just incase

Just in case. LMAO!!!!!!!

 

[biteme]

unfortunately yes, I always have to be right.

LOL. I noticed that... I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong and I think arguing with people is a waste of energy and time.

 

[biteme]

Btw, the above post was a factual statement and if you say otherwise, you are full of shit.

 

[Smurfy]

Something like that?

"Ok, sure."

It's really not worth my time to be "right." I mean, in the long run, who the eff cares? being "right" is a silly thing to dwell on and a good way to waste time with loved ones.

agree.


SubZ - point is, if you're right and you know you're right, who gives a crap if the other person agrees or if you can convince them that they are wrong and you are right. how often does that technique actually work?

it doesnt matter - ias long as you know the "truth". if they dont agree, you can just go on your way knowing they are being a dumbass. end of story.

and lol @ snowball fight in Chipotle. if you're doinig that then neither of you are very rational in that situation.

 

[smt]

I like to discuss/debate sometimes to gain other perspectives. Most arguments are a matter of opinion anyway and there really is no right or wrong. I will listen to and appreciate another opinion or perspective but can also agree to disagree. If I'm wrong about something, I'll admit it.

 

[Cutiebaby]

Depends on the situation and how much I care about the topic.

 

[Sub-Zero]

agree.


SubZ - point is, if you're right and you know you're right, who gives a crap if the other person agrees or if you can convince them that they are wrong and you are right. how often does that technique actually work?

it doesnt matter - ias long as you know the "truth". if they dont agree, you can just go on your way knowing they are being a dumbass. end of story.

and lol @ snowball fight in Chipotle. if you're doinig that then neither of you are very rational in that situation.

the thing is, i was fine with leaving it as "boys being boys" and us just having a little agressive fun. but he started yelling at me and calling me out and bitching and arguging (im not even sure why anymore), and he just wouldnt let it go. he was being just as stubborn as i was, except he was wrong, and i think he sort of knew it but was just trying to be a dick?

its just hard for me to grasp how people can litterally be that stupidly wrong in certain situations, so i just assume they are trying to trick me....

iv never used lies or made up facts in my arguements.

 

[calveless wonder]

I did...and usually i am, but you have to pick and choose your points as you grow older.

especially in business now, i have to be VERY subtle about being right with my clients. i can't just shove it down their throat anymore (like i used to with dumb subprime clients). now i deal with more educated/successful clients and while i don't kiss their ass, i have to be much more respectful and stroke their ego a little more even when they're wrong.

you can still prove people wrong when you're very very tactful about it. The way i learned to do that is ask them certain (usually open ended) questions so they basically prove/answer THEMSELVES wrong. Completely warps whatever belief they have. takes time to learn, but its pretty cool to see evolve in a conversation. Must be in the inner cross examiner in me

my whole MO for awhile was proving to people that i'm better/smarter than them..wasn't intentional, but that was the case. rubbed alot of people the wrong way obviously. Now that i'm happier in my life in general i could care less about being right all the time

 

[Sub-Zero]

I did...and usually i am, but you have to pick and choose your points as you grow older.

especially in business now, i have to be VERY subtle about being right with my clients. i can't just shove it down their throat anymore (like i used to with dumb subprime clients). now i deal with more educated/successful clients and while i don't kiss their ass, i have to be much more respectful and stroke their ego a little more even when they're wrong.

you can still prove people wrong when you're very very tactful about it. The way i learned to do that is ask them certain (usually open ended) questions so they basically prove/answer THEMSELVES wrong. Completely warps whatever belief they have. takes time to learn, but its pretty cool to see evolve in a conversation. Must be in the inner cross examiner in me

my whole MO for awhile was proving to people that i'm better/smarter than them..wasn't intentional, but that was the case. rubbed alot of people the wrong way obviously. Now that i'm happier in my life in general i could care less about being right all the time

so i coulda been like

"who threw the first snowball"

then he woulda been "uhhhhhh meeee????"

and i coulda been like

"end of story"

i decided im not gunna be friends with this kid anymore though, i hate him, and the other kid (my roomate)

 

[puddlemonkey]

I did...and usually i am

**cough cough** Cowboys **cough**

 

[calveless wonder]

**cough cough** Cowboys **cough**

i'm gonna tazer jessica simpson

and then grab a titty...for losing me that 300k

 

[calveless wonder]

so i coulda been like

"who threw the first snowball"

then he woulda been "uhhhhhh meeee????"

and i coulda been like

"end of story"

i decided im not gunna be friends with this kid anymore though, i hate him, and the other kid (my roomate)

truthfully, i didn't really read your post about your situation. must from what i collect it was pretty petty. not really worth an ounce of your energy.
i never think about being right anymore if it's something stupid because i way more important things to tend to in my life. the minute you start stressing over irrelevant arguments with dumb people, you know you're not busy enough

 

[Smurfy]

the thing is, i was fine with leaving it as "boys being boys" and us just having a little agressive fun. but he started yelling at me and calling me out and bitching and arguging (im not even sure why anymore), and he just wouldnt let it go. he was being just as stubborn as i was, except he was wrong, and i think he sort of knew it but was just trying to be a dick?

its just hard for me to grasp how people can litterally be that stupidly wrong in certain situations, so i just assume they are trying to trick me....

iv never used lies or made up facts in my arguements.

he sounds like a douche, rather than a friend.

 

[jackangel]

get rid of some of these idiotic friends. we know you're smart and contemplative, but you often describe your pals as stupid douchebags. what does a friendship consist of? what makes it worthwhile? when there's more negativity than positivity, cut 'em loose. how important is the typical person in your life? trim that fat! if you have a stupid friend, he better be a fucking saint that makes the world (and your life) a better place. if not, euthanize.