dextrose?

[FitnessFrk]

taking dextrose and spiking insulin "prior" to weight training is one of the dumbest things you can do. if you try to spike insulin again post workout that spike will be far less than it could be which is when you need it the most to drive nutrients into skeletal muscle to begin the recovery process.

by ingesting simple sugars prior to weight training or any athletic event you are "training" your body to use glucose as energy. by ingesting low GI/GR complex carbs prior to weight training or an athletic event your blood sugar will be more stable and your body will use a higher percentage of energy derived from stored fats then it normally would. thus you can burn more body fat during weight training and "retain" a higher amound of muscle glycogen.

 

[FitnessFrk]

I almost forgot...high glycemic foods dull GH secretion as well.

 

[SOLID]

So Fitness frk, how would you take your creatine then? Also so you think that using a drink containing Dextrose or Maltodextrin prior or during workout for energy is Stupid? It sounds like a smart thing to do if you ask me, considering you want to train with high intensity for 60 min. I can uderstand if you pound that drink in under a minute timespan- then yes it will cause a insulin spike, but if you "sip" it along with drinking your water while training your not going to cause a huge insulin spike- it's only give your body the simple sugars to use as energy to fuel your workout. Then you pound your postworkout Drink containing simple M or D sugars to spike insulin levels.

 

[FitnessFrk]

all of the latest performance studys show the best results with creatine supplementation are show when:

1/2 (5 grams) before training and 1/2 afterwards - here if you are eating properly you should have eaten 1-1.5 hours prior to the training session. so your stomach would be virtually empty. if you were to take creatine with water prior to training it would be delivered to skeletal muscle to give that extra energy boost at the cellular level during resistance training.

1 serving (10 grams) post workout taken with high GI/GR sugars- this is the best method as the creatine will be delievered to skeletal muscle with the push provided from the insulin spike. Not only will creatine stores be replenished but creatine aids in the storage and production of ATP which is the bilogical energy source for all anabolic and catabolic funcitions in the body.


if a high GI/GR carbs is consumed immediately before training the onset of physical activity will surpress the insulin spike. but you are still training your body to use glycogen as it's primary energy source during weight training. if the high GI/GR carb is consumed with enough time to allow insulin to spike (say 20 minutes) the attempt to spike insulin again after training that spike will be much less, when it is the most usefull.

 

[Creatureofnight]

I totally disagree w/ what your saying fitness freak. Taking dextrose along w/ a an easy digestable protein powder (whey) pre workout will raise insulin levels and prime muscles to better the uptake of your postworkout meal. Along w/ added energy during your workout.

 

[SOLID]

all of the latest performance studys show the best results with creatine supplementation are show when:

1/2 (5 grams) before training and 1/2 afterwards - here if you are eating properly you should have eaten 1-1.5 hours prior to the training session. so your stomach would be virtually empty. if you were to take creatine with water prior to training it would be delivered to skeletal muscle to give that extra energy boost at the cellular level during resistance training.

HOW DOES THE CREATINE GIVE AN EXTRA ENERGY BOOST? WHY NOT ADD A MINIMAL AMOUNT OF DEXTROSE TO PREWORKOUT CREATINE, SAY 10GMS - THAT WONT BE ENOUGH TO CAUSE A INSULIN SPIKE?

1 serving (10 grams) post workout taken with high GI/GR sugars- this is the best method as the creatine will be delievered to skeletal muscle with the push provided from the insulin spike. Not only will creatine stores be replenished but creatine aids in the storage and production of ATP which is the bilogical energy source for all anabolic and catabolic funcitions in the body.

YES.



if a high GI/GR carbs is consumed immediately before training the onset of physical activity will surpress the insulin spike. but you are still training your body to use glycogen as it's primary energy source during weight training. if the high GI/GR carb is consumed with enough time to allow insulin to spike (say 20 minutes) the attempt to spike insulin again after training that spike will be much less, when it is the most usefull. [/QUOTE

NOT CONSUMED IMMEDIATELY PRIOR TO TRAINING> DURING TRAINING - SIPPING ON A CARB DRINK THROUGHOUT YOUR WORKOUT- THAT WAY LARGE AMOUNTS ARE NOT INGESTED ALL AT ONCE- THEREFORE PREVENTING AN INSULIN SPIKE.

 

[FitnessFrk]

You are not disagreeing with me you are in disagreement with PROVEN results from the latest in study’s done in human performance labs.

I think I will believe Dr. Wolf's studies from Texas vs. the "unproven" opinion from Creatureofnight at EF.

 

[FitnessFrk]

oh I almost forgot...there is no reason to "prime" the body by consuming anything during exercise. resistance training in itself already does that !

 

[FitnessFrk]

the onset of resistance training stimulates the release insulin and also increases insulin sensitivity...

 

[SOLID]

PROVEN results from the latest in study’s done in human performance labs.

I think I will believe Dr. Wolf's studies from Texas

FF- can you post this please.



oh I almost forgot...there is no reason to "prime" the body by consuming anything during exercise. resistance training in itself already does that !

not talking in the sense of priming the body - talking in the sence that by sipping a carb drink while working out you will give you more energy to use for training...therefore train harder for longer.