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Dbol and test cycle opinion

dundeal80

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Hey guys I've been reading up a lot on gear and I figured for my first cycle I want to run dbol and test. I was thinking of running 20mgs of dbol for 7 weeks and test 12-14 weeks. Also was thinking about running dbol @ 25mgs for 6 weeks. Just not sure if running the dbol @20 or 25 is that big of a difference. I've read a lot and most say 20 is plenty enough. My goal is to put on 15lbs of retainable muscle. Would like your guys opinion with this cycle as well as a good pct for this type of cycle as well as should I run armidex during this cycle. All opinions are very appreciated but would like to hear from the guys who have run this type of cycle before. My basic stats are:
Age: 32
Weight: 200lbs
Bf: 15%

Thanks guys in advance!
 
Your not ready very steriods how tall are you 200 pounds at 15% isn't very big plus you need to come up with you own pct... We are not going to spoon feed you
 
Didn't ask to you to spoon feed me and I'm 6 ft tall. Secondly I'm asking opinions how you gonna tell me when I'm ready? Lol I'm not no fat guy who started lifting weights 2 weeks ago or even 6 months ago. I've been physically fit my whole life. I already have my pct and everything I need for it. Again my question was for people who have run this type of cycle and what are their opinions/ experiences on this type of cycle and what they gained and retained as far as muscle mass. Lol there is always somebody who has say some bs!!
 
It's not bs man and the fact your getting so defensive you know it's true. 6ft 200 pounds at 15% isn't much muscle mass but you are going to do what you want. Good luck getting advice with that kind of attitude. I didn't see a pct so I put you need a pct. after re reading your post you put what is a good pct..,, aka guys tell me what to take as I'm clueless if younalready have a "pct" why not post it and we can critique for u. have fun running dbol for 6 weeks hope you have an amazing liver support.
 
No offense but your far from fit with those stats and running dbol that long is not going to help with that... Your cycle is s mess and so is your research... Your not ready because your stats and lack of research are indicative of that... Its not bs, its a fact...
 
1st things 1st.....what's your diet look like? What's your training look like?

~EZ
 
Definitely don't got an attitude bro just laughing cuz I see this all the time. A person a question and instead of getting answers to the question somebody like you tries to slam them. I've read a lot before I decided to even attempt to take steroids and I just got out the army 9 months ago so I'm still pretty fit. I got out weighting 175 at 9% body fat and wanted to put on extra weight bro so I upped my calories and had to sacrifice my 6 pack for the extra weight. I'm not fat body who just woke up one day and decided to take roids. So let me rephrase my question as far as pct goes. I've done my research for everything and I got my nolvadex, hcg, and arimidex. I see a lot of different things as far as pct goes but I haven't seen to much info about this type of cycle. I've read people who have taken arimidex and hcg throughout there cycle but again haven't read many that have done this type of cycle. I'm not clueless just want to make sure I get the most out of my first cycle cuz this will probably be my only cycle that I run. So my question is for the people who have run this type of cycle and what were there results and what did they do to retain most of there gains. That's my question buddy nothing more nothing less. I don't want exacts for pct just if they ran clomid or nolvadex and if they took hcg throughout the cycle or no. Again my goal is to gain 15lbs of muscle and when I start my cut to go back to 9% bf I want to be around 190-195.
 
My diet is pretty clean now. For the first couple of months I was eating pretty dirty but I have since cleaned it up. For breakfast I eat 3 whole eggs 1/2 cup of oatmeal and 4 egg whites with raisins and a banana in my oatmeal. My second meal is 1tablespoon of pb and 10 almonds. Lunch is 8oz chicken breast brown rice and black beans. My fourth meal is the same as my second meal pb and almonds. I have a post workout shake and then my final meal which is 8 oz chicken breast brown rice and steamed broccoli. My training is 5x a week. 3 days then a rest day 2 days then a rest day. On my off days I run 1.5 miles in 10 mins and i just started doing that about 2.5 months ago and have not gained another lb since. I got 17" arms and I'm trying to obtain 18.5" arms. I'm not fat at all and I haven't gotten my bf done in 2.5 months but it was at 15% the last time I got it done.
 
You want to be around 195 at 9% that's probably not going to be one cycle. What do you mean u haven't found information about this cycle? This is literally the most ran cycle to date. You don't run hcg your whole time. And you don't run dbol 6 weeks. That is why everyone is asking if you have done your research these are things you will find out right away when you do. This is your body and your hormone levels if you want to run it and mess up your natty production go for it. Steriods are made to break your natural boundaries and push your body to the limit not the way you intend to use it why spend all this money on a cycle that you can naturally achieve with a year or so of training? The biggest mistake I see on here and no offense is people think oh my buddy is big ill listen to him and ill take steriods and get just as big not knowing the full dangers and what they are doing. Now I do applaud you for coming on here and getting advice that is a big step up then the average steroid users that just do what ever there "friend" says. I'm not trying to come off as a dick I'm just trying to keep it real and be honest with you if you end up hating me but listen to what I say then so be it everyone in here is trying to help you make the right decisions. Post up your current macros and your current training split be as detailed as you can get and I will help you
 
You should be eating more the nuts are good but add in another meat with your snacks have some ground turkey or steak with it you could even have tuna with your nuts
 
Just for the record, all the other guys in this post are 100% CORRECT!! However, if I know people as well as I think I do, you are gonna run this cycle regardless, so with that in mind I will say this: 20mg for the dbol is fine and you won't need more than 400mg of test a week. Six weeks is long for dbol unless its a transdermal! Cut the test off no later than week 10. Add something to youre pct that boosts test naturally.

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Ok I was eating some tuna before but I stopped. So I should add that back in with my snacks. Ok will do. So in your opinion is 15lbs of muscle obtainable in this type of cycle?
 
Ok I was eating some tuna before but I stopped. So I should add that back in with my snacks. Ok will do. So in your opinion is 15lbs of muscle obtainable in this type of cycle?

Yes but it may be some water weight dbol will bloat you like girl on her period I personally would run Arimedix as my ai with dbol
 
Yea that's what everybody says. Alright thanks man that's what I really wanted to know is that as long as I run the dbol take the arimidex with it? Thanks man sorry if I sounded like an a jerk but I thought you were trying to be one. Lol but really thanks. A buddy of mines ran a test only cycle and literally lost all the mass he gained and that is something I'm trying to avoid.
 
Yea that's what everybody says. Alright thanks man that's what I really wanted to know is that as long as I run the dbol take the arimidex with it? Thanks man sorry if I sounded like an a jerk but I thought you were trying to be one. Lol but really thanks. A buddy of mines ran a test only cycle and literally lost all the mass he gained and that is something I'm trying to avoid.

Well if you run test and dbol I would do Arimedix if you run just test 500 I would do aromasion as your ai your going to need n2guard and hcgenerate es threw the whole cycle and you want to blast hcg 500iu the last 2 weeks before pct sounds like your buddy didn't do a good pct or he did clomid and nolva together someone recommended a good pct follow there protocol mine would be the same
 
Didn't get a chance to read it all and I should've done that before asking. I did my research and literally I've read everything from people taking it for 4 weeks up to 8 weeks. I've read people saying to take hcg the whole way through and everything in between. Thus the reason I asked the questions I asked cuz I want to do it right. And you are absolutely right about being able to obtain what I'm trying to obtain naturally. I don't plan on taking it until I've hit my genetic wall. I've been continuously obtaining gains so until I hit that wall I will not take the gear. So I guess I should've been more specific as to that. So with that being said how long would you recommend running the dbol for and the test for? I don't want to be like my buddy who did it and did it all wrong. Thanks again for all the input guys
 
Run dbol max of 4 weeks if oral if its transdermal run 6-8 weeks I would do 6 your first time

Smart decision to wait till your genetic potential
 
I would run aromasin with dbol, not arimidex... You have never cycled before and not only will dbol aromatize like a motherfucker but you don't will probably have some with test as well... There is no need to exceed 350 mg of test either... I would really pick a different oral than dbol... I would go with tbol... You can run it 6 weeks as opposed to 4 and the gains will be much cleaner... Run aromasin 12.5 mg eod...
 
Yea it's oral 10mg pills. So 4 weeks cuz it's oral. Ok thanks for the input guys. Like I said I want to do it right and all of the input has been truly helpful thanks
 
Your not ready very steriods how tall are you 200 pounds at 15% isn't very big plus you need to come up with you own pct... We are not going to spoon feed you

strongly disagree with your opinion here. 6'0 200 pounds and 15 % or under are very solid stats for someone who has never juiced before.

I agree with your cycle layout you gave him though.
 
If this your 1st cycle i would just run 1compound. (Test e at 500mg wk pinning sun morn and wed eve) if you have sides on multiple compounds you dont kno which is causing them. Use aromasin at 12.5 mg eod and monitor any estro sides. Great 1st cycle. Run clomid in pct 2 wks after last pin at 50/50/25/25 also use a test booster and daa.
 
You want to be around 195 at 9% that's probably not going to be one cycle. What do you mean u haven't found information about this cycle? This is literally the most ran cycle to date. You don't run hcg your whole time. And you don't run dbol 6 weeks. That is why everyone is asking if you have done your research these are things you will find out right away when you do. This is your body and your hormone levels if you want to run it and mess up your natty production go for it. Steriods are made to break your natural boundaries and push your body to the limit not the way you intend to use it why spend all this money on a cycle that you can naturally achieve with a year or so of training? The biggest mistake I see on here and no offense is people think oh my buddy is big ill listen to him and ill take steriods and get just as big not knowing the full dangers and what they are doing. Now I do applaud you for coming on here and getting advice that is a big step up then the average steroid users that just do what ever there "friend" says. I'm not trying to come off as a dick I'm just trying to keep it real and be honest with you if you end up hating me but listen to what I say then so be it everyone in here is trying to help you make the right decisions. Post up your current macros and your current training split be as detailed as you can get and I will help you

Look mate I really think you do know quite a lot about this lifestyle we all love.. but telling ppl that they aren't ready to cycle based on there stats, with bf being to high etc...when you yourself ran that hella cycle at more then 15% and what looked to be not a lot of muscle mass from ur pics.. I think that's fairly out of line it's hypocritical dont ya think.. and giving ppl advice on running compounds you havnt touched doesn't look good either.. anyone can read copy or paste

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I don't understand how being 6'0, 200 pounds, at 15% body fat is not a good base? I think that is pretty solid. I would recommend cutting down your body fat percentage a tad bit before starting your cycle. This will make your goals more obtainable.

You will want to run an AI with dbol, because it can convert to estrogen very easily. Not doing so could put you a risk for gyno and more than tolerable edema real quick. Arimidex is a good option at .5 mg eod, but like Dylan suggested, I would use aromasin 12.5 mg eod, and maybe even every day while on the dbol. And since it is oral, 4 weeks is all you need to run it. Make sure you take precaution and protect your liver because D-Bol can be quite toxic. After the D-Bol, if you keep your test dose at 1 cc per week, 250-300 mg, then you may not need an AI, but would still have it ready just in case. People use HCG in different ways.. I have found it from my experience to use it for a short period, starting a few weeks before PCT. I run 250 iu, twice per week for two weeks. Then I bump the dose to 500 iu, twice per for the last 2 weeks.

Make sure you have proper cycle support for your liver, lipids, and testicular atrophy. Making sure you cover those basis will make your cycle more effective, as well as making it easier to ensure a full recovery. You should run N2Guard the entire cycle. It is by far the best cycle support supplement out there. It will help with your liver, blood pressure, as well as other things. I would also suggest running another liver support while on the dbol. Liv-52 is a great option. The HCG is going to help with your testicular atrophy right before PCT, but you can also help it by taking a natural test booster while on cycle. HCGenerate is designed specifically for this reason, and you won't be able to find a better product out there for this purpose. I personally start it the first day of the cycle. It is wise to start it as soon as you notice a change of size in your balls.

Now if you want to keep your gains, unlike your buddy.. you need to run a full and thorough PCT. There are a lot of threads on this website that explain a "new" way of doing things. Clomid is an excellent base SERM, but you will want to add an AI to this. Armidex or Aromasin would suffice... but the best AI for PCT is Forma Stanzol. Forma Stanzol is a transdermal version of the AI formestane. If you don't know much about formestane.. look it up. Forma will help at stopping the conversion of test to estrogen like an AI, and will block it like a SERM. It also will help elevated natural test levels, and IGF-1. All of these characteristics are what needs to be done in PCT, and that is why Forma is perfect for it. You can purchase this at mrsupps.com After your Base of Clomid and Forma.. you will want to add in a natural test boosting product or two. I have personally used the Unleashed and Post Cycle combo from needtobuildmuscle.com. Unleashed will help elevate test as well as make the test more usable. Post Cycle will also help elevate test, as well as aid in cleansing your body and liver. D-AA is also a great natural test booster. You can go with other natural test booster.. but these products are specifically designed for this reason. They are of the highest quality. I would recommend them over any over hyped, over priced product GNC has. Do this for PCT, as well as HCGenerate and HCG on cycle and I guarantee you not have a problem recovering and keeping the majority of your gains.

To sum things up, I would set up your cycle, support, and PCT this way:

Cycle:
1-10 Test E 250 mg/week
1-4 D-Bol 20-40 mg/day
1-12 Aromasin 12.5 mg eod, ed while on D-Bol

1-12 HCGenerate
1-12 N2Guard
1-6 Liv-52

PCT:
9-10 HCG 250 iu, twice per week
11-12 HCG 500 iu, twice per week

13-16 Clomid 25 mg/ed
13-18 Forma Stanzol, 5 pumps twice per day
13-16 Unleashed/Post Cycle Combo
13-16 D-AA 3 g/ed

It took about 20 minutes of my life to type and explain this as thoroughly as possible, so I hope you appreciated it.

BOOM! SPOON FED
 
Look mate I really think you do know quite a lot about this lifestyle we all love.. but telling ppl that they aren't ready to cycle based on there stats, with bf being to high etc...when you yourself ran that hella cycle at more then 15% and what looked to be not a lot of muscle mass from ur pics.. I think that's fairly out of line it's hypocritical dont ya think.. and giving ppl advice on running compounds you havnt touched doesn't look good either.. anyone can read copy or paste

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I'm not the only one who said it and who said I haven't ran a test cycle before? Or helped people set it up? You commented just to say this you didn't even give any information let alone your apparently the only one thinking that caz u commented on my log also saying it. Lets have you make a log and post it I'm sure your a skinny little kid that thinks they are swole
 
I'm not the only one who said it and who said I haven't ran a test cycle before? Or helped people set it up? You commented just to say this you didn't even give any information let alone your apparently the only one thinking that caz u commented on my log also saying it. Lets have you make a log and post it I'm sure your a skinny little kid that thinks they are swole

Yea you weren't the only saying it but the ppl who were are all experienced on those compounds.. you said it yourself u havnt ran test n dbol ??? I havnt ran tren so why wld I go to someone's thread n tell him how to run it ?? Just because I have researched it and know a fair bit about it. Hey I'm not bashing you on your body just think it's a little rich to tell others they aren't ready.. I didn't feel the need to add extra advice to run his cycle he has been fairly set up if u ask me, plus I'm only 2 weeks into my dbol test cycle so I'm not what u call experienced on the topic.. ok bro u think that :)

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Yea you weren't the only saying it but the ppl who were are all experienced on those compounds.. you said it yourself u havnt ran test n dbol ??? I havnt ran tren so why wld I go to someone's thread n tell him how to run it ?? Just because I have researched it and know a fair bit about it. Hey I'm not bashing you on your body just think it's a little rich to tell others they aren't ready.. I didn't feel the need to add extra advice to run his cycle he has been fairly set up if u ask me, plus I'm only 2 weeks into my dbol test cycle so I'm not what u call experienced on the topic.. ok bro u think that :)

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It's fine bro I don't wanna argue over this your right I shouldn't of said he wasn't ready but the way I see it maybe it would help in the long run. I have used test before but it's irrelevant I don't want to spam his thread about a childish argument bro so we disagree to disagree
 
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