Dad accused of forcing girl to kill pet cat

[jdynasty]

MUNCIE, Indiana (AP) -- A man was jailed Thursday on charges that he forced his 7-year-old daughter to kill the family cat by holding a knife in her hand and making her stab the pet.

Danield J. Collins, 39, told his children during a visit to his home Sunday that he wanted them to "learn how to kill" and gave his 11-year-old son a knife to do it, according to an affidavit filed in the case.

The boy tried to save the cat by hiding it under a sofa bed and putting ketchup on a knife when Collins went to the bathroom. But when the father realized that the cat was not dead, he forced his daughter to hold the knife and then held her hand tightly as he drove the knife into the animal, Muncie police Detective Jami Brown said.

Police said Collins stabbed and strangled the cat himself, and told his son to throw the dead pet in the trash. Officers retrieved the carcass to be used as evidence.

The children told family members about the incident Monday, the day after the alleged killing, according to the affidavit. The children told police that their father was drunk when they arrived at his home and that he's a different person when he's sober, it said.

The siblings live with their grandparents.

Collins was being held in the Delaware County Jail in lieu of $40,000 bail. He's charged with one count each of animal cruelty and battery and two counts of neglect of a dependent. The battery charge alleges that the girl was injured because Collins held her hand so hard that it ached.

The jail had no record of an attorney representing Collins, and there were no published phone listings for him in Muncie.

Brown said the case was particularly troubling because Collins involved his children in killing the animal, an 8-month-old tuxedo-type cat named Boots.

"I've been doing investigations for 10 years, and this is really bothering me," the detective said

 

[SaladFork]

Wow phucked up mofo right there. Samething happened to a guy I knew and his dog. (when he was a kid) His dad made him take him out and shoot it, but he only had one bullet and it did not kill him, so he had to use the butt of the gun to finish the job. I would have shot my dad before my dog.

 

[vixensghost]

Disgusting.

 

[GUARDIAN]

not too far from where i am at. will hurt that guy for k donations

 

[heatherrae]

Oh man. Poor, poor kids.

 

[cindylou]

poor Boots.

 

[MichaelScott]

all i can say is wtf

 

[SpyWizard]

MUNCIE, Indiana (AP) -- A man was jailed Thursday on charges that he forced his 7-year-old daughter to kill the family cat by holding a knife in her hand and making her stab the pet.

Danield J. Collins, 39, told his children during a visit to his home Sunday that he wanted them to "learn how to kill" and gave his 11-year-old son a knife to do it, according to an affidavit filed in the case.

The boy tried to save the cat by hiding it under a sofa bed and putting ketchup on a knife when Collins went to the bathroom. But when the father realized that the cat was not dead, he forced his daughter to hold the knife and then held her hand tightly as he drove the knife into the animal, Muncie police Detective Jami Brown said.

Police said Collins stabbed and strangled the cat himself, and told his son to throw the dead pet in the trash. Officers retrieved the carcass to be used as evidence.

The children told family members about the incident Monday, the day after the alleged killing, according to the affidavit. The children told police that their father was drunk when they arrived at his home and that he's a different person when he's sober, it said.

The siblings live with their grandparents.

Collins was being held in the Delaware County Jail in lieu of $40,000 bail. He's charged with one count each of animal cruelty and battery and two counts of neglect of a dependent. The battery charge alleges that the girl was injured because Collins held her hand so hard that it ached.

The jail had no record of an attorney representing Collins, and there were no published phone listings for him in Muncie.

Brown said the case was particularly troubling because Collins involved his children in killing the animal, an 8-month-old tuxedo-type cat named Boots.

"I've been doing investigations for 10 years, and this is really bothering me," the detective said

let me say this is awful..

now let me say, at what point do you stop the government from saying what is right or wrong for you to teach to your children??

this is just another example of the government dictating to you what to teach or not to teach to your children..

by the way.. my children by ag 13 could shoot my 357 magnum with confidence..

 

[theoak01]

its only an issue because at some point someone stepped in and had the kids moved to their grandparents. if it was a normal family it would have never even made the back page of the muncie times

 

[Bikini Mod]

Honestly? Who gives a fat rat's ass?

There are far more parents raping their own children in one way or another.

Is the guy nuts? Should he be left alone with his or anyone else's kids? NO, but I mean come on... this is NEWS?

 

[heatherrae]

let me say this is awful..

now let me say, at what point do you stop the government from saying what is right or wrong for you to teach to your children??

this is just another example of the government dictating to you what to teach or not to teach to your children..

by the way.. my children by ag 13 could shoot my 357 magnum with confidence..

If you can't step in here and say this is wrong, then you have a screw loose. Seriously, the devil's advocate and the slippery slope arguments only go so far before being absurd. This passed the point of absurdity.

Making your children stab and strangle a beloved family pet is child abuse, plain and simple.

 

[heatherrae]

its only an issue because at some point someone stepped in and had the kids moved to their grandparents. if it was a normal family it would have never even made the back page of the muncie times

"Normal" families don't subject their children to such cruelty.

 

[theoak01]

"Normal" families don't subject their children to such cruelty.

buddy is fucked dont get me wrong but im saying if there was no prior involvement with CAS removing the kids from his care then nobody would have ever heard of this. yes its wrong but its something very minor in terms of what alot of children go through but nobody ever steps in and does anything.

the kids were probably a bit young to be learning to kill, but you would be suprised how many kids around 14 have to kill farm animals when they are sick

 

[SpyWizard]

If you can't step in here and say this is wrong, then you have a screw loose. Seriously, the devil's advocate and the slippery slope arguments only go so far before being absurd. This passed the point of absurdity.

Making your children stab and strangle a beloved family pet is child abuse, plain and simple.

You as an attorney with your situational ethics issues are the last to say anything..

My 1st statement was that i thought it was wrong..

Now please address the issue of the government dictating value systems..

thanks in advance..

 

[SpyWizard]

t you would be suprised how many kids around 14 have to kill farm animals when they are sick

exactly, what about families that hunt, a 12 yr old gutting a dear as an example..

where and at what point do you allow the Government to dictate the value system..

My real point in this is we as americans force our value system on many different people in the world.. this is just another example of the government stepping in and saying what is right and wrong..

what value system did they use to determine this?? Group rule?? Moral indignation by a Victorian standards?? christian values?? Muslim perhaps..

Does anyone see where i am going with this..

 

[cindylou]

exactly, what about families that hunt, a 12 yr old gutting a dear as an example..

where and at what point do you allow the Government to dictate the value system..

My real point in this is we as americans force our value system on many different people in the world.. this is just another example of the government stepping in and saying what is right and wrong..

what value system did they use to determine this?? Group rule?? Moral indignation by a Victorian standards?? christian values?? Muslim perhaps..

Does anyone see where i am going with this..

Fuck no - you are not going anywhere with this.

 

[heatherrae]

exactly, what about families that hunt, a 12 yr old gutting a dear as an example..

where and at what point do you allow the Government to dictate the value system..

My real point in this is we as americans force our value system on many different people in the world.. this is just another example of the government stepping in and saying what is right and wrong..

what value system did they use to determine this?? Group rule?? Moral indignation by a Victorian standards?? christian values?? Muslim perhaps..

Does anyone see where i am going with this..

That is not the same as FORCING your children to stab a family pet to death.

If you don't see that, then you are just nuts.

End of story.

 

[redguru]

I shot and gutted a deer at 12, but I don't see how killing a healthy pet could be justified in the same frame of reference. I have killed a family pet that was suffering, and I have killed rabbits that my brother thought were pets, but never just to learn "how to kill". The dude was seriously fucked up in his rationale.

 

[heatherrae]

buddy is fucked dont get me wrong but im saying if there was no prior involvement with CAS removing the kids from his care then nobody would have ever heard of this. yes its wrong but its something very minor in terms of what alot of children go through but nobody ever steps in and does anything.

the kids were probably a bit young to be learning to kill, but you would be suprised how many kids around 14 have to kill farm animals when they are sick

Killing farm animals is one thing, especially if they are ill. Still, I grew up on a farm too and care was taken to make children look away or go inside when animals were slaughtered. Killing was not celebrated, and they sure wouldn't make me kill a PET.

I think that part of the nature the dependency/abuse/neglect cases is that they have to be subjective. You have to subjectively draw the line in each case. I was a court appointed guardian ad litem, which means that I represented the children in these cases. I didn't draw a hard line in the sand that all physical abuse cases meant I would tell the court to take the kids from the parents. Nor, did I have a hard line rule for drug cases, emotional abuse, etc. I went on a case by case basis and interviewed the kids and the families and had to form an opinion as to whether a child would be better off being torn from their families, which is life changing and terrible, or to be left with these people who exercised such terrible judgment in the first place. The decisions are NOT easy.

In this case, though, I would be hard pressed to give those kids back to a man who delighted in their HORROR of having to kill a pet for no apparent reason other than to be cruel. You have to be either mentally ill or depraved to subject your children to that. I did not put out much hope for people who did things to their kids that showed that they not only had bad judgment or neglect but that they were actually delighting in torturing their kids.

 

[cindylou]

A family pet, especially to a child, is a member of the family.

If they stay with the father, they are next to die.

 

[Bikini Mod]

exactly, what about families that hunt, a 12 yr old gutting a dear as an example..

where and at what point do you allow the Government to dictate the value system..

My real point in this is we as americans force our value system on many different people in the world.. this is just another example of the government stepping in and saying what is right and wrong..

what value system did they use to determine this?? Group rule?? Moral indignation by a Victorian standards?? christian values?? Muslim perhaps..

Does anyone see where i am going with this..

Actually yes, I do understand... completely.

As I said, the guy sounded like he may have been "off" but as far as him "teaching his kids to kill"... if these people are living in an area where they do kill animals (hunt or sick or just over population) then I honestly don't see the big deal. Could he have done it differently? No doubt. But do I think this is such outrageous behavior that is should make the news?

NOT BY A LONG SHOT.

 

[heatherrae]

You as an attorney with your situational ethics issues are the last to say anything..

My 1st statement was that i thought it was wrong..

Now please address the issue of the government dictating value systems..

thanks in advance..

The government dictates value systems all the time...

we are not allowed to kill each other

we are not allowed to steal

ETC

ETC

...

All are judeo-christian in their basis.

So, get over it.

 

[SpyWizard]

I shot and gutted a deer at 12, but I don't see how killing a healthy pet could be justified in the same frame of reference. I have killed a family pet that was suffering, and I have killed rabbits that my brother thought were pets, but never just to learn "how to kill". The dude was seriously fucked up in his rationale.

I agree.. but once again.. it's the government telling you what is acceptable to teach and what is not..

 

[heatherrae]

I agree.. but once again.. it's the government telling you what is acceptable to teach and what is not..

So, if he decided to teach them to steal or to kill a person, that would be okay, too, because the government should let you do whatever you want to your kids? Your logic is seriously fucked.

 

[BNG]

I grew up in the country and we raised animals to eat. Just like many others, butchering was a normal part of the process. Many of you eat the same flesh but pay someone else to do the killing. But butchering animals to eat is different than forcing your children to stab a cat!

My kids hunt, and have killed animals, but wouldn't think of stabbing a cat with a knife. They understand the difference. This adult is a moroon and shouldn't be allowed to "teach" his children ANYTHING.

 

[SpyWizard]

In this case, though, I would be hard pressed to give those kids back to a man who delighted in their HORROR of having to kill a pet for no apparent reason other than to be cruel. You have to be either mentally ill or depraved to subject your children to that. I did not put out much hope for people who did things to their kids that showed that they not only had bad judgment or neglect but that they were actually delighting in torturing their kids.

So in this case you represent the Government, and or your own value system was is pressed to the child, so in your life experiences, what would you do with the child if they were shown to be sexually active, using dope, and not going to school??

Would you force a Victorian value system upon them?? This is a rhetorical question..

And although i don't agree with you, no matter how reasonable you argue your position, i will re frame from calling you names, as you have me..

By the way.. i do the court appointed guardian too..

 

[heatherrae]

So in this case you represent the Government, and or your own value system was is pressed to the child, so in your life experiences, what would you do with the child if they were shown to be sexually active, using dope, and not going to school??

Would you force a Victorian value system upon them?? This is a rhetorical question..

And although i don't agree with you, no matter how reasonable you argue your position, i will re frame from calling you names, as you have me..

By the way.. i do the court appointed guardian too..

LOL...I think that is the first time that anyone ever called my value system "victorian."

To answer your question, why the hell would I take someone's kids from them for normal teen rebellion? Seriously, the kids I represented didn't get there because of teen rebellion. I had cases where babies were born addicted to heroine, where toddlers were run over by daddy in his pick up truck, where mom decided to have a gang bang in front of junior. We didn't end up in court over teens smoking pot.

And, yes, it has to be my value system when I evaluate the cases. Whose else would I use? LOL. I did the best I could to consider the best interests of the child. If I thought that the parents could be reformed or the situation could be remedied in some way then I tried to keep families intact. If I did not feel that the parents were going to change, I had to judge whether I thought that the kids would be better with the parents or in foster care. UGH. Those cases are the worst.

 

[SpyWizard]

Actually yes, I do understand... completely.

As I said, the guy sounded like he may have been "off" but as far as him "teaching his kids to kill"... if these people are living in an area where they do kill animals (hunt or sick or just over population) then I honestly don't see the big deal. Could he have done it differently? No doubt. But do I think this is such outrageous behavior that is should make the news?

NOT BY A LONG SHOT.

now that i agree with 100%

 

[heatherrae]

Plus, I don't see how you can analogize a teen smoking pot to a father forcing his kids to torture and murder the family pet. If you don't see that guy as dangerous, I really have to wonder about where you would draw the line in your cases.

 

[SpyWizard]

My point in this is not if his actions were right or wrong, you HR has already judged him on that..

the point is what value system is being forced upon him..

Next thing you know unwed mothers will be stoned in the streets as is the custom in many countries in the world..

Better watch how much power you give to the government, next thing you know they will force you to pray and they will raise your children in state schools so they all have the diversification and value system that the government thinks is important..


And HR, i refuse to empower your opinion of in how i raise my children or my value system.. especially when you refuse to address the issues as i continue to state them..

the point being this man has a right to impose, or expose his children to any value system he chooses, just you have the right to expose or impose your value system on your child.

Next thing you know we will have the Government imposing licensing for parents with guidlines as to what is taught to children..

 

[buffer1]

Honestly? Who gives a fat rat's ass?

There are far more parents raping their own children in one way or another.

Is the guy nuts? Should he be left alone with his or anyone else's kids? NO, but I mean come on... this is NEWS?

^^^^^^^^^
roid rage

 

[cindylou]

WTF? I totally think that this is disgusting. And I'm no animal lover or anything.
Seriously demented and sick. If a father raped his child in my city it would be news. Granted molestation does not make news, but only because it happens all the time. And I think this is worse! These children are not safe in their home and these poor kids need to have someone come in and remove them.

 

[cindylou]

My point in this is not if his actions were right or wrong, you HR has already judged him on that..

the point is what value system is being forced upon him..

Next thing you know unwed mothers will be stoned in the streets as is the custom in many countries in the world..

Better watch how much power you give to the government, next thing you know they will force you to pray and they will raise your children in state schools so they all have the diversification and value system that the government thinks is important..


And HR, i refuse to empower your opinion of in how i raise my children or my value system.. especially when you refuse to address the issues as i continue to state them..

the point being this man has a right to impose, or expose his children to any value system he chooses, just you have the right to expose or impose your value system on your child.

Next thing you know we will have the Government imposing licensing for parents with guidlines as to what is taught to children..

Oh please. These children need someone to look out for them. Children are people who have no voice, and most of the time , no choice. They are stuck with the slime that they are born with.

What kind of society do you want to live in? One that neglects the children, and the elderly?

 

[jerseyrugger76]

Give the girl a new kitteh. Give the dad the chair.

 

[buffer1]

the Test is runnin high in this thread

 

[heatherrae]

My point in this is not if his actions were right or wrong, you HR has already judged him on that..

the point is what value system is being forced upon him..

Next thing you know unwed mothers will be stoned in the streets as is the custom in many countries in the world..

Better watch how much power you give to the government, next thing you know they will force you to pray and they will raise your children in state schools so they all have the diversification and value system that the government thinks is important..


And HR, i refuse to empower your opinion of in how i raise my children or my value system.. especially when you refuse to address the issues as i continue to state them..

the point being this man has a right to impose, or expose his children to any value system he chooses, just you have the right to expose or impose your value system on your child.

Next thing you know we will have the Government imposing licensing for parents with guidlines as to what is taught to children..

I have addressed your argument about not imposing any limits on what parents can teach their kids...ad nauseum, actually. I can't see how you missed my response.

We have to set some limits so that we protect children from fucking cruel and crazy people like that guy.

You would have a problem with him forcing his son to rape a lady, right? Likewise, you would have a problem with him making his daughter sleep with men for money? If your answer is "yes," then YOU have a LIMIT. Admit it. There are limits to the behavior of parents that we as a society can allow.

This isn't even a close case, in my opinion. That guy would never see his kids again if it were up to me.

 

[heatherrae]

Off topic, but I once represented 7 kids in a case. They were being taken away for extreme neglect. They had been "in the system for years." The mom could not have cared less whether they got taken away or not. I finally suggested to the court that the kids would be better off in foster care. The judge ruled in favor of my recommendation, and they were ordered to be removed. Later, as I was leaving, I heard the lady getting really mad and upset about something. I thought, "Oh no, what if she really does care and just had a hard time showing it. Maybe I shouldn't have suggested to the judge to take the kids away." So I got a bit closer to hear what she was so upset about. She was mad because they didn't validate her parking.

True story.

 

[all the whey]

Actually yes, I do understand... completely.

As I said, the guy sounded like he may have been "off" but as far as him "teaching his kids to kill"... if these people are living in an area where they do kill animals (hunt or sick or just over population) then I honestly don't see the big deal. Could he have done it differently? No doubt. But do I think this is such outrageous behavior that is should make the news?

NOT BY A LONG SHOT.

We should have all the news outlets run their story by you first for your approval.

 

[gotmilk]

We had a case recently where two neighbors have been going at each other over stupid things like a decaying fence, leaves blowing onto each others properties, etc..

One guy saw the other guy's dog outside and slit the dog's throat.....

He ended up receiving 8 months in jail and like $800 in court costs. oHHH...and someone burned down his house in retaliation.

 

[heatherrae]

We had a case recently where two neighbors have been going at each other over stupid things like a decaying fence, leaves blowing onto each others properties, etc..

One guy saw the other guy's dog outside and slit the dog's throat.....

He ended up receiving 8 months in jail and like $800 in court costs. oHHH...and someone burned down his house in retaliation.

those neighbor disputes get crazy! When I was still in law school, I worked as a clerk at a law firm that was representing one neighbor in a land dispute. While the suit was pending in court, the neighbor came out and shot our guy with a shotgun while our guy was mowing the lawn on a riding lawn mower. He died.

 

[buffer1]

We had a case recently where two neighbors have been going at each other over stupid things like a decaying fence, leaves blowing onto each others properties, etc..

One guy saw the other guy's dog outside and slit the dog's throat.....

He ended up receiving 8 months in jail and like $800 in court costs. oHHH...and someone burned down his house in retaliation.

rage overload on that one

 

[fistfullofsteel]

sick twisted freak. i love it when trash like him have kids. it helps keep america's future so bright.

 

[Bikini Mod]

WTF? I totally think that this is disgusting. And I'm no animal lover or anything.
Seriously demented and sick. If a father raped his child in my city it would be news. Granted molestation does not make news, but only because it happens all the time. And I think this is worse! These children are not safe in their home and these poor kids need to have someone come in and remove them.

You have NO IDEA how wrong you are.

The red part of your statement, is offensive to me. I was molested twice and then raped. My oldest daughter is being treated as a replacement wife by her father. But YOU THINK THIS IS WORSE?

Does that make any sense to you?

"molestation does not make the news because it happens all the time"? So does murder and robbery...

You don't hear about it as often because of the factor of shame and revictimization.

Look we are arguing over something that IMO is ridiculous. As I said, does the guy have a screw loose? Maybe. Could he have gone about this "lesson" a bit differently? I am sure he could have. But do I think it is SUCH a big deal?

NO.

There are many MANY places in the world where animals (familly pet or mouser) would NEVER be elevated to the status of humans. If that offends some who live in cushy America, so be it. But it shouldn't offend anyone if this does NOT offend all of us.

There is no need to get our panties in a wad over this - pure and simple.

 

[jdynasty]

Sometimes I randomly attack an anthill and then laugh that I violated their rights

 

[cindylou]

You have NO IDEA how wrong you are.

The red part of your statement, is offensive to me. I was molested twice and then raped. My oldest daughter is being treated as a replacement wife by her father. But YOU THINK THIS IS WORSE?

Does that make any sense to you?

"molestation does not make the news because it happens all the time"? So does murder and robbery...

You don't hear about it as often because of the factor of shame and revictimization.

Look we are arguing over something that IMO is ridiculous. As I said, does the guy have a screw loose? Maybe. Could he have gone about this "lesson" a bit differently? I am sure he could have. But do I think it is SUCH a big deal?

NO.

There are many MANY places in the world where animals (familly pet or mouser) would NEVER be elevated to the status of humans. If that offends some who live in cushy America, so be it. But it shouldn't offend anyone if this does NOT offend all of us.

There is no need to get our panties in a wad over this - pure and simple.

So was I bikinimom - I was molested nonstop for a long period of time on a regular basis.

and yes I think that your kids situation is worse but that does not make this situation better either.

and I'm not a big animal lover.

I put myself in the kids shoes. Not the cat's shoes.

Dont be offended please. I just said that because i"ve experienced it myself. It sucked but I'm fine. I was not trying to offend you anyway.

 

[needtogetarmy]

Honestly? Who gives a fat rat's ass?

There are far more parents raping their own children in one way or another.

Is the guy nuts? Should he be left alone with his or anyone else's kids? NO, but I mean come on... this is NEWS?

Compared to the other crap in the news I would say this is news.

I'm already tired of hearing about Spitzer's gurl.

 

[Bikini Mod]

Cindy - I think you are one of the sweetest women here and I have a strong affection for Ms HeatherRae.

Let us agree to disagree.

 

[cindylou]

Cindy - I think you are one of the sweetest women here and I have a strong affection for Ms HeatherRae.

Let us agree to disagree.

owkay

 

[heatherrae]

Yep. No problem. You know how I feel about child molesters. I want to run out and kill them myself sometimes.

 

[javaguru]

Yep. No problem. You know how I feel about child molesters. I want to run out and kill them myself sometimes.

Now don't get all emotional....

 

[heatherrae]

Now don't get all emotional....

I'll show you "emotional" ...lol.

 

[ceo]

Killing farm animals is one thing, especially if they are ill. Still, I grew up on a farm too and care was taken to make children look away or go inside when animals were slaughtered.

Really? Cuz I grew up on a farm for a while too. We raised hogs and chickens mainly at the time. Hogs were taken away to be slaughtered, but the chickens we raised for ourselves for the eggs and the meat.

When it came time to butcher the chickens, the whole family took part. There was something for everyone to do. As the youngest, around age(s) 3-6, I would pluck the fine feathers. Granted they were already gutted by then, so it was like seeing them in the store almost, but it was only a few feet away from where my dad was binding their feet and hacking off their heads and hanging the chicken bodies by their bound feet from the clothesline so all the blood could drain. The wings were still flapping as the bodies hung there.

I wasn't sheltered from any of it. It was just life on the farm. No big deal. It had to be done.

For the record, let me also say that I'm in no way saying that what this guy did was ok. I also see it as traumatic to the children, and he is being charged appropriately. I do feel sorry for those kids.

 

[BBR100]

Really? Cuz I grew up on a farm for a while too. We raised hogs and chickens mainly at the time. Hogs were taken away to be slaughtered, but the chickens we raised for ourselves for the eggs and the meat.

When it came time to butcher the chickens, the whole family took part. There was something for everyone to do. As the youngest, around age(s) 3-6, I would pluck the fine feathers. Granted they were already gutted by then, so it was like seeing them in the store almost, but it was only a few feet away from where my dad was binding their feet and hacking off their heads and hanging the chicken bodies by their bound feet from the clothesline so all the blood could drain. The wings were still flapping as the bodies hung there.

I wasn't sheltered from any of it. It was just life on the farm. No big deal. It had to be done.

Agreed it had to be done but you were contributing to livelihood of farm for food.
I can't see how this can be compared with stabbing a beloved family pet to death for no other reason than teaching your kid to torture and cause pain to both the animal and child. That's evil.

 

[ceo]

Agreed it had to be done but you were contributing to livelihood of farm for food.
I can't see how this can be compared with stabbing a beloved family pet to death for no other reason than teaching your kid to torture and cause pain to both the animal and child. That's evil.

I guess I added my last line too late huh?

I knew someone would be all heated up after reading this thread and jump right in thinking I was condoning this guy's actions, even though I never made one god damn mention that would give anyone any right to assume such.

Please though, if you see the comparison I drew anywhere in my post, enlighten me.

 

[BBR100]

I guess I added my last line too late huh?

I knew someone would be all heated up after reading this thread and jump right in thinking I was condoning this guy's actions, even though I never made one god damn mention that would give anyone any right to assume such.

Please though, if you see the comparison I drew anywhere in my post, enlighten me.

Of course your addition makes it a lot clearer.
Without it, the assumption that you were making a comparison to your experience and the topic of thread is easily misunderstood.

 

[heatherrae]

Really? Cuz I grew up on a farm for a while too. We raised hogs and chickens mainly at the time. Hogs were taken away to be slaughtered, but the chickens we raised for ourselves for the eggs and the meat.

When it came time to butcher the chickens, the whole family took part. There was something for everyone to do. As the youngest, around age(s) 3-6, I would pluck the fine feathers. Granted they were already gutted by then, so it was like seeing them in the store almost, but it was only a few feet away from where my dad was binding their feet and hacking off their heads and hanging the chicken bodies by their bound feet from the clothesline so all the blood could drain. The wings were still flapping as the bodies hung there.

I wasn't sheltered from any of it. It was just life on the farm. No big deal. It had to be done.

For the record, let me also say that I'm in no way saying that what this guy did was ok. I also see it as traumatic to the children, and he is being charged appropriately. I do feel sorry for those kids.

Well, yeah, I helped pluck chickens too. I wasn't really counting that as me slaughtering them myself. I also saw a few hogs slaughtered here and there despite them not meaning for me to see it. Just, in general, my family didn't drag the little girls out of the house to watch that part of it. I helped bring in tobacco, hoe the fields, feed the animals, gather eggs, milk cows, etc, but not slaughter the animals.

They actually forbid me from naming or playing with animals that were for consumption. The milk cows got names because they were not going to be slaughtered. We didn't name or pet the ones that were eventually going to be meat. They didn't want me to look at them as if they were pets.

 

[ceo]

Well, yeah, I helped pluck chickens too. I wasn't really counting that as me slaughtering them myself. I also saw a few hogs slaughtered here and there despite them not meaning for me to see it. Just, in general, my family didn't drag the little girls out of the house to watch that part of it. I helped bring in tobacco, hoe the fields, feed the animals, gather eggs, milk cows, etc, but not slaughter the animals.

They actually forbid me from naming or playing with animals that were for consumption. The milk cows got names because they were not going to be slaughtered. We didn't name or pet the ones that were eventually going to be meat. They didn't want me to look at them as if they were pets.

lol. I am the youngest, but my oldest brother has the softest heart for animals. He named every damn one. Today he is 54. He recently got some chickens for eggs. He named them, and says he will not butcher them. lmao!

I do have a sister too (3 boys, 1 girl in the fam.). She is older but grew up on the farm her whole life till she went to college. She was a total tomboy. She grew up shooting guns, butchering animals, riding horses, bailing hay, planting and harvesting crops, etc. She definitely was not kept away from anything. Hell in those days WE were the farmers! The kids HAD to do this stuff. Today that would probably be called abuse. Child labor law violation or something, seeing 10 year olds out there working on a farm like that.

 

[jackangel]

the killing of animals for food is completely relevant and worth mentioning. oh yes. it applies so well to this case that my dick got hard. holy jesus in a sandwich, that's an awesome contribution. made several times! i love each and every one of you!!

 

[Mr. dB]

I hope for punishment they lock this guy in the Lion cage at the zoo.

 

[Cutiebaby]

What a sick son of a bitch to go teaching his children to behave like that...Not only is he teaching them that killing is ok, but he had them kill their own pet it's like watching family or a buddy die....
Bastard should be rehabbed until he is in his 80's!!!!