Dad accused of forcing girl to kill pet cat

[heatherrae]

let me say this is awful..

now let me say, at what point do you stop the government from saying what is right or wrong for you to teach to your children??

this is just another example of the government dictating to you what to teach or not to teach to your children..

by the way.. my children by ag 13 could shoot my 357 magnum with confidence..

If you can't step in here and say this is wrong, then you have a screw loose. Seriously, the devil's advocate and the slippery slope arguments only go so far before being absurd. This passed the point of absurdity.

Making your children stab and strangle a beloved family pet is child abuse, plain and simple.

 

[heatherrae]

its only an issue because at some point someone stepped in and had the kids moved to their grandparents. if it was a normal family it would have never even made the back page of the muncie times

"Normal" families don't subject their children to such cruelty.

 

[theoak01]

"Normal" families don't subject their children to such cruelty.

buddy is fucked dont get me wrong but im saying if there was no prior involvement with CAS removing the kids from his care then nobody would have ever heard of this. yes its wrong but its something very minor in terms of what alot of children go through but nobody ever steps in and does anything.

the kids were probably a bit young to be learning to kill, but you would be suprised how many kids around 14 have to kill farm animals when they are sick

 

[SpyWizard]

If you can't step in here and say this is wrong, then you have a screw loose. Seriously, the devil's advocate and the slippery slope arguments only go so far before being absurd. This passed the point of absurdity.

Making your children stab and strangle a beloved family pet is child abuse, plain and simple.

You as an attorney with your situational ethics issues are the last to say anything..

My 1st statement was that i thought it was wrong..

Now please address the issue of the government dictating value systems..

thanks in advance..

 

[SpyWizard]

t you would be suprised how many kids around 14 have to kill farm animals when they are sick

exactly, what about families that hunt, a 12 yr old gutting a dear as an example..

where and at what point do you allow the Government to dictate the value system..

My real point in this is we as americans force our value system on many different people in the world.. this is just another example of the government stepping in and saying what is right and wrong..

what value system did they use to determine this?? Group rule?? Moral indignation by a Victorian standards?? christian values?? Muslim perhaps..

Does anyone see where i am going with this..

 

[cindylou]

exactly, what about families that hunt, a 12 yr old gutting a dear as an example..

where and at what point do you allow the Government to dictate the value system..

My real point in this is we as americans force our value system on many different people in the world.. this is just another example of the government stepping in and saying what is right and wrong..

what value system did they use to determine this?? Group rule?? Moral indignation by a Victorian standards?? christian values?? Muslim perhaps..

Does anyone see where i am going with this..

Fuck no - you are not going anywhere with this.

 

[heatherrae]

exactly, what about families that hunt, a 12 yr old gutting a dear as an example..

where and at what point do you allow the Government to dictate the value system..

My real point in this is we as americans force our value system on many different people in the world.. this is just another example of the government stepping in and saying what is right and wrong..

what value system did they use to determine this?? Group rule?? Moral indignation by a Victorian standards?? christian values?? Muslim perhaps..

Does anyone see where i am going with this..

That is not the same as FORCING your children to stab a family pet to death.

If you don't see that, then you are just nuts.

End of story.

 

[redguru]

I shot and gutted a deer at 12, but I don't see how killing a healthy pet could be justified in the same frame of reference. I have killed a family pet that was suffering, and I have killed rabbits that my brother thought were pets, but never just to learn "how to kill". The dude was seriously fucked up in his rationale.

 

[heatherrae]

buddy is fucked dont get me wrong but im saying if there was no prior involvement with CAS removing the kids from his care then nobody would have ever heard of this. yes its wrong but its something very minor in terms of what alot of children go through but nobody ever steps in and does anything.

the kids were probably a bit young to be learning to kill, but you would be suprised how many kids around 14 have to kill farm animals when they are sick

Killing farm animals is one thing, especially if they are ill. Still, I grew up on a farm too and care was taken to make children look away or go inside when animals were slaughtered. Killing was not celebrated, and they sure wouldn't make me kill a PET.

I think that part of the nature the dependency/abuse/neglect cases is that they have to be subjective. You have to subjectively draw the line in each case. I was a court appointed guardian ad litem, which means that I represented the children in these cases. I didn't draw a hard line in the sand that all physical abuse cases meant I would tell the court to take the kids from the parents. Nor, did I have a hard line rule for drug cases, emotional abuse, etc. I went on a case by case basis and interviewed the kids and the families and had to form an opinion as to whether a child would be better off being torn from their families, which is life changing and terrible, or to be left with these people who exercised such terrible judgment in the first place. The decisions are NOT easy.

In this case, though, I would be hard pressed to give those kids back to a man who delighted in their HORROR of having to kill a pet for no apparent reason other than to be cruel. You have to be either mentally ill or depraved to subject your children to that. I did not put out much hope for people who did things to their kids that showed that they not only had bad judgment or neglect but that they were actually delighting in torturing their kids.

 

[cindylou]

A family pet, especially to a child, is a member of the family.

If they stay with the father, they are next to die.