Dad accused of forcing girl to kill pet cat

[Bikini Mod]

exactly, what about families that hunt, a 12 yr old gutting a dear as an example..

where and at what point do you allow the Government to dictate the value system..

My real point in this is we as americans force our value system on many different people in the world.. this is just another example of the government stepping in and saying what is right and wrong..

what value system did they use to determine this?? Group rule?? Moral indignation by a Victorian standards?? christian values?? Muslim perhaps..

Does anyone see where i am going with this..

Actually yes, I do understand... completely.

As I said, the guy sounded like he may have been "off" but as far as him "teaching his kids to kill"... if these people are living in an area where they do kill animals (hunt or sick or just over population) then I honestly don't see the big deal. Could he have done it differently? No doubt. But do I think this is such outrageous behavior that is should make the news?

NOT BY A LONG SHOT.

 

[heatherrae]

You as an attorney with your situational ethics issues are the last to say anything..

My 1st statement was that i thought it was wrong..

Now please address the issue of the government dictating value systems..

thanks in advance..

The government dictates value systems all the time...

we are not allowed to kill each other

we are not allowed to steal

ETC

ETC

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All are judeo-christian in their basis.

So, get over it.

 

[SpyWizard]

I shot and gutted a deer at 12, but I don't see how killing a healthy pet could be justified in the same frame of reference. I have killed a family pet that was suffering, and I have killed rabbits that my brother thought were pets, but never just to learn "how to kill". The dude was seriously fucked up in his rationale.

I agree.. but once again.. it's the government telling you what is acceptable to teach and what is not..

 

[heatherrae]

I agree.. but once again.. it's the government telling you what is acceptable to teach and what is not..

So, if he decided to teach them to steal or to kill a person, that would be okay, too, because the government should let you do whatever you want to your kids? Your logic is seriously fucked.

 

[BNG]

I grew up in the country and we raised animals to eat. Just like many others, butchering was a normal part of the process. Many of you eat the same flesh but pay someone else to do the killing. But butchering animals to eat is different than forcing your children to stab a cat!

My kids hunt, and have killed animals, but wouldn't think of stabbing a cat with a knife. They understand the difference. This adult is a moroon and shouldn't be allowed to "teach" his children ANYTHING.

 

[SpyWizard]

In this case, though, I would be hard pressed to give those kids back to a man who delighted in their HORROR of having to kill a pet for no apparent reason other than to be cruel. You have to be either mentally ill or depraved to subject your children to that. I did not put out much hope for people who did things to their kids that showed that they not only had bad judgment or neglect but that they were actually delighting in torturing their kids.

So in this case you represent the Government, and or your own value system was is pressed to the child, so in your life experiences, what would you do with the child if they were shown to be sexually active, using dope, and not going to school??

Would you force a Victorian value system upon them?? This is a rhetorical question..

And although i don't agree with you, no matter how reasonable you argue your position, i will re frame from calling you names, as you have me..

By the way.. i do the court appointed guardian too..

 

[heatherrae]

So in this case you represent the Government, and or your own value system was is pressed to the child, so in your life experiences, what would you do with the child if they were shown to be sexually active, using dope, and not going to school??

Would you force a Victorian value system upon them?? This is a rhetorical question..

And although i don't agree with you, no matter how reasonable you argue your position, i will re frame from calling you names, as you have me..

By the way.. i do the court appointed guardian too..

LOL...I think that is the first time that anyone ever called my value system "victorian."

To answer your question, why the hell would I take someone's kids from them for normal teen rebellion? Seriously, the kids I represented didn't get there because of teen rebellion. I had cases where babies were born addicted to heroine, where toddlers were run over by daddy in his pick up truck, where mom decided to have a gang bang in front of junior. We didn't end up in court over teens smoking pot.

And, yes, it has to be my value system when I evaluate the cases. Whose else would I use? LOL. I did the best I could to consider the best interests of the child. If I thought that the parents could be reformed or the situation could be remedied in some way then I tried to keep families intact. If I did not feel that the parents were going to change, I had to judge whether I thought that the kids would be better with the parents or in foster care. UGH. Those cases are the worst.

 

[SpyWizard]

Actually yes, I do understand... completely.

As I said, the guy sounded like he may have been "off" but as far as him "teaching his kids to kill"... if these people are living in an area where they do kill animals (hunt or sick or just over population) then I honestly don't see the big deal. Could he have done it differently? No doubt. But do I think this is such outrageous behavior that is should make the news?

NOT BY A LONG SHOT.

now that i agree with 100%

 

[heatherrae]

Plus, I don't see how you can analogize a teen smoking pot to a father forcing his kids to torture and murder the family pet. If you don't see that guy as dangerous, I really have to wonder about where you would draw the line in your cases.

 

[SpyWizard]

My point in this is not if his actions were right or wrong, you HR has already judged him on that..

the point is what value system is being forced upon him..

Next thing you know unwed mothers will be stoned in the streets as is the custom in many countries in the world..

Better watch how much power you give to the government, next thing you know they will force you to pray and they will raise your children in state schools so they all have the diversification and value system that the government thinks is important..


And HR, i refuse to empower your opinion of in how i raise my children or my value system.. especially when you refuse to address the issues as i continue to state them..

the point being this man has a right to impose, or expose his children to any value system he chooses, just you have the right to expose or impose your value system on your child.

Next thing you know we will have the Government imposing licensing for parents with guidlines as to what is taught to children..