Re: Critically acclaimed Uncharted 2 will lose out game of the year to Modern Warfare
still nothing here to make me think a PS3 is worth it even if it were priced with the 360.....which it isn't yet. "IF" I had the inclination to buy a console system I would still be opting for a 360.....the blu ray drive is the ONLY thing that would make me think twice about the PS3.
I read now that new consoles aren't expected till 2015, these graphics will be so dated by then it's ridiculous. In 2 years you're going to see rasterizing and ray tracing on midlevel PC's that will punch fist the best the consoles have to offer.
still nothing here to make me think a PS3 is worth it even if it were priced with the 360.....which it isn't yet. "IF" I had the inclination to buy a console system I would still be opting for a 360.....the blu ray drive is the ONLY thing that would make me think twice about the PS3.
I read now that new consoles aren't expected till 2015, these graphics will be so dated by then it's ridiculous. In 2 years you're going to see rasterizing and ray tracing on midlevel PC's that will punch fist the best the consoles have to offer.
That reminds me I should dust off Far Cry 2 lol, no time though! I played the PC version of FC2 and of course that looks better than the first Uncharted, but its sequel looks like it has more graphical clarity than any console game I've seen or played. The only advantage I can see the console version of Far Cry 2 having is that it looks that good running on a sandbox style engine. For that I'd agree it outdoes the first Uncharted, but Among Thieves apparently outdoes the original easily.
The same sites that dogged the PS3 early on say it is peerless. Even gametrailers (who gave Halo 3 a 9.8 and Gears 2 a 9.5, higher than they've rated any PS3 exclusive to date) in their video review of it a few posts up, which is one of the most critical yet says "The first Uncharted was easily the best looking game on consoles...until now."
The way the snow moves and sticks to his clothes alone makes even Lost Planet's snow look generic. If Uncharted 2 is by far the best looking game on consoles according to most of the 28 reviews posted so far, it's a safe bet it's the current console graphics king.
Jungle comparison
Far Cry 2 (360 version)-
Uncharted 2-
Only way to really know though is to actually play both of the games. Youtube vidoes can only show so much.
Re: Critically acclaimed Uncharted 2 will lose out game of the year to Modern Warfare
honestly, "IF" the PS3 ever really seperates itself graphically from the 360....it'll be almost time for the next round of consoles. Microsoft designed their system the right way, which was make it as easy as possible right from the getgo so the system was getting maxed out within 2-3 years tops. It'll take the PS3 at least another a year or two before we see it's full potential. Remember when Kojima said he was maxing out the Ps3? Well, now there's uncharted 2 and they're saying that "NOW" the PS3 is maxed out. I honestly don't care if it is or isn't at this point, but it wouldn't surprise me if somebody a year from now managed to find some extra horsepower buried somewhere in that nebulous catacomb of a design that doesn't lend itself to proper game programming. When your design team has to spend SO MUCH FUCKING time on graphics, the rest of the game will be lacking.....why sony hasn't figured that out yet I don't know. Gameplay has to come first, period. Than you can add the fancy toppings. It doesn't make sense to design a system where one developer may only have the resources to make one game during the life of the console. This is why I'm going back to PC's, I honestly think the better games will be there in the next couple years because there's some really good engines being made that are going to be based on multi threading hardware which consoles won't have for another 5 years. Those new engines will allow game developers to focus more on the game. Of course the bigger developers will furhter optimize the game and we'll see photo realistic games within a few years from the PC.
That reminds me I should dust off Far Cry 2 lol, no time though! I played the PC version of FC2 and of course that looks better than the first Uncharted, but its sequel looks like it has more graphical clarity than any console game I've seen or played. The only advantage I can see the console version of Far Cry 2 having is that it looks that good running on a sandbox style engine. For that I'd agree it outdoes the first Uncharted, but Among Thieves apparently outdoes the original easily.
The same sites that dogged the PS3 early on say it is peerless. Even gametrailers (who gave Halo 3 a 9.8 and Gears 2 a 9.5, higher than they've rated any PS3 exclusive to date) in their video review of it a few posts up, which is one of the most critical yet says "The first Uncharted was easily the best looking game on consoles...until now."
The way the snow moves and sticks to his clothes alone makes even Lost Planet's snow look generic. If Uncharted 2 is by far the best looking game on consoles according to most of the 28 reviews posted so far, it's a safe bet it's the current console graphics king.
Jungle comparison
Far Cry 2 (360 version)-
Uncharted 2-
Only way to really know though is to actually play both of the games. Youtube vidoes can only show so much.
honestly, "IF" the PS3 ever really seperates itself graphically from the 360....it'll be almost time for the next round of consoles. Microsoft designed their system the right way, which was make it as easy as possible right from the getgo so the system was getting maxed out within 2-3 years tops. It'll take the PS3 at least another a year or two before we see it's full potential. Remember when Kojima said he was maxing out the Ps3? Well, now there's uncharted 2 and they're saying that "NOW" the PS3 is maxed out. I honestly don't care if it is or isn't at this point, but it wouldn't surprise me if somebody a year from now managed to find some extra horsepower buried somewhere in that nebulous catacomb of a design that doesn't lend itself to proper game programming. When your design team has to spend SO MUCH FUCKING time on graphics, the rest of the game will be lacking.....why sony hasn't figured that out yet I don't know. Gameplay has to come first, period. Than you can add the fancy toppings. It doesn't make sense to design a system where one developer may only have the resources to make one game during the life of the console. This is why I'm going back to PC's, I honestly think the better games will be there in the next couple years because there's some really good engines being made that are going to be based on multi threading hardware which consoles won't have for another 5 years. Those new engines will allow game developers to focus more on the game. Of course the bigger developers will furhter optimize the game and we'll see photo realistic games within a few years from the PC.
You said it yourself right there. That's the difference between Sony and Microsoft this generation. Microsoft rushed their system to gain marketshare, Sony took their time and will give customers the most value over the course of this generation's life cycle. If the 360 is already maxed out, and we're only half way through this generation, more and more people will continue to buy a PS3 because they see it keeps improving in game quality, whereas the 360 has already seemed to have hit its plateau.
I know I defend the PS3 a lot on here but I have to give credit where credit is due. I by far prefer PC gaming over consoles these days, but since Crysis there hasn't been much new to raise an eyebrow at, other than prettier looking console ports. The Witcher was an awesome exception, still playing that. Cryostasis was pretty cool but had very poor optimization.
PS3 developers, specifically with exclusives, are doing the most with the hardware they are given in the industry today, period.
Take a look at PS3 exclusives lately vs. 360 and there's no contest in level of technical quality, attention to detail and innovation. It comes down to a lack of hardware horsepower and/or lack of acquired developer talent on Microsoft's part. You think they'd be responding more than they have been by now.
Not my cup of tea here, but show me a 360 game that is on par with the rendering of the Last Guardian beast -
Hell the menu transition alone in the God of War 3 demo is more impressive than anything I've seen yet on the 360
You have to be realistic though. No matter how much "untapped power" the PS3 has you won't see it pump out something that looks like Crysis on a high end PC. But as far as consoles go I still don't see anything yet at that level on the 360. How you can still say differently sounds like plain ol' bias.
I couldn't find a 360 game close to that much extra content.
For some perspective, it took Valve twice as long to develop Half Life 2 (new tech, but still less labor intensive than PS3) as that game. Hell Killzone 2 took less time. Episode 3 is taking forever, hopefully it's more impressive than Left 4 Dead 1 & 2.
I'd love to see the 360 shine (not as much as Games for Windows Live though of course) but I just don't see it yet. Halo: Reach is being developed with a brand new engine, and will likely be the last chance at showing what it has left under the hood. I thought Rare would have done something new by now but it looks like all their good developers are MIA.
Microsoft has been known to surprise people though, so we'll wait and see.
Re: Critically acclaimed Uncharted 2 will lose out game of the year to Modern Warfare
why are we still watching fancy sony cinematics? Yeah, that beast clip looked amazing........but it wasn't in game. That's been sony's m.o since day one, show some great cinematics and throw in .4 seconds of actual gameplay somewhere in between so sheeple's minds' will meld the two together and they think that's what they'll be getting the entire game. And don't ask my opinion on any god of war game, I don't see the point of em. I honestly have no idea if those graphics could be done on the Ps3 cause I have no reference game that I've payed attention to on the 360 that's in that same category. I hate those types of games, never played em. For me it's FPS's, fighters and sports games when it comes to consoles, in that order. As far as those genre's go, I haven't seen anything on the PS3 that isn't being done on the 360. The new warfare graphics on the 360 look incredible, if the 360 can put that out with console framerates I honestly don't give a crap if the PS3 ever out does the 360, you simply can't ask for better graphics. If the PS3 would actually utilize their blue ray and make games that were twice as long as 360 games, than you'd have my attention. But I don't see it happening.
You said it yourself right there. That's the difference between Sony and Microsoft this generation. Microsoft rushed their system to gain marketshare, Sony took their time and will give customers the most value over the course of this generation's life cycle. If the 360 is already maxed out, and we're only half way through this generation, more and more people will continue to buy a PS3 because they see it keeps improving in game quality, whereas the 360 has already seemed to have hit its plateau.
I know I defend the PS3 a lot on here but I have to give credit where credit is due. I by far prefer PC gaming over consoles these days, but since Crysis there hasn't been much new to raise an eyebrow at, other than prettier looking console ports. The Witcher was an awesome exception, still playing that. Cryostasis was pretty cool but had very poor optimization.
PS3 developers, specifically with exclusives, are doing the most with the hardware they are given in the industry today, period.
Take a look at PS3 exclusives lately vs. 360 and there's no contest in level of technical quality, attention to detail and innovation. It comes down to a lack of hardware horsepower and/or lack of acquired developer talent on Microsoft's part. You think they'd be responding more than they have been by now.
Not my cup of tea here, but show me a 360 game that is on par with the rendering of the Last Guardian beast -
Hell the menu transition alone in the God of War 3 demo is more impressive than anything I've seen yet on the 360
You have to be realistic though. No matter how much "untapped power" the PS3 has you won't see it pump out something that looks like Crysis on a high end PC. But as far as consoles go I still don't see anything yet at that level on the 360. How you can still say differently sounds like plain ol' bias.
I couldn't find a 360 game close to that much extra content.
For some perspective, it took Valve twice as long to develop Half Life 2 (new tech, but still less labor intensive than PS3) as that game. Hell Killzone 2 took less time. Episode 3 is taking forever, hopefully it's more impressive than Left 4 Dead 1 & 2.
I'd love to see the 360 shine (not as much as Games for Windows Live though of course) but I just don't see it yet. Halo: Reach is being developed with a brand new engine, and will likely be the last chance at showing what it has left under the hood. I thought Rare would have done something new by now but it looks like all their good developers are MIA.
Microsoft has been known to surprise people though, so we'll wait and see.
Re: Critically acclaimed Uncharted 2 will lose out game of the year to Modern Warfare
Red, you should do some research before posting; it would save me a lot of time correcting some of the things you say!
First, about that beast clip not being in-game-
http://www.gamezine.co.uk/news/games/t/the-last-guardian/new-last-guardian-interview-and-footage-$1329523.htm
Even if it wasn't, look at how much better the alpha code of Killzone 2 even a year before its release looked compared to that now cheesy looking cgi trailer that was "too good to be true"- Killzone 2 Videos, Killzone 2 PS3 Videos | GamesRadar
There are more factors that contribute to storage space then just how long a game is. 7.1 DD surround sound can take up a lot of space, # of frames of animation takes up space (most PS3 games have excellent animation).
Basically every major action taken in the game will result in a different story branch. There must be a hell of a lot of branches to make up 2,000 pages. And I'm guessing that wouldn't fit on a dvd either.
Anyways, replay value trumps game length every time. How many people have the time to slog through a long (and usually boring) 30+ hour game more than once?
And that new Modern Warfare 2 footage is decent at best. Only thing impressive about it is how it's presented, and the massive hype surrounding it which apparently helps people overlook how generic a lot of the game still looks.
This is how they were able to get 60 hertz out of that game-
Even with texture streaming it merely goes from "awful" to "decent"-
I don't wanna knock Modern Warfare. I loved the first one. But the hype surrounding this game seems to cause people to say irrational things lol.
As for Episode 3, Valve better not do this with the Source Engine! I'm fairly certain it will look better than Left 4 Dead 2 though, which will still be better than Modern Warfare 2.
why are we still watching fancy sony cinematics? Yeah, that beast clip looked amazing........but it wasn't in game. That's been sony's m.o since day one, show some great cinematics and throw in .4 seconds of actual gameplay somewhere in between so sheeple's minds' will meld the two together and they think that's what they'll be getting the entire game. And don't ask my opinion on any god of war game, I don't see the point of em. I honestly have no idea if those graphics could be done on the Ps3 cause I have no reference game that I've payed attention to on the 360 that's in that same category. I hate those types of games, never played em. For me it's FPS's, fighters and sports games when it comes to consoles, in that order. As far as those genre's go, I haven't seen anything on the PS3 that isn't being done on the 360. The new warfare graphics on the 360 look incredible, if the 360 can put that out with console framerates I honestly don't give a crap if the PS3 ever out does the 360, you simply can't ask for better graphics. If the PS3 would actually utilize their blue ray and make games that were twice as long as 360 games, than you'd have my attention. But I don't see it happening.
First, about that beast clip not being in-game-
http://www.gamezine.co.uk/news/games/t/the-last-guardian/new-last-guardian-interview-and-footage-$1329523.htm
yep, .4 seconds of ingame footage running a screen in the background. Didn't look that impressive. NOw the cinematics I"ll grant you, look utterly ridiculous. I didn't realize that it was the same team that made shadow of the collossus. That guy should be making movies, not games. He's a ridiculous talent.
Even if it wasn't, look at how much better the alpha code of Killzone 2 even a year before its release looked compared to that now cheesy looking cgi trailer that was "too good to be true"- Killzone 2 Videos, Killzone 2 PS3 Videos | GamesRadar
what I'm seeing looks redunkulous, and it's supposedly of the xbox version. Now if it's really warfare running on a high end PC, that's obviously bullshit. But if the 360 is really pumping out those visuals, man that looks way better than the killzone gameplay footage.
As for Episode 3, Valve better not do this with the Source Engine! I'm fairly certain it will look better than Left 4 Dead 2 though, which will still be better than Modern Warfare 2.
I was completely non plussed by left for dead. Game was boring as sin. Just room after room after room of rushing zombies. No story, no nothin. There wasn't a damn thing about that game that reeled me in emotionally at all.
Re: Critically acclaimed Uncharted 2 will lose out game of the year to Modern Warfare
With the success of World of Warcraft over the last 5 years, the upcoming release of Diablo III and StarCraft II, I'm just waiting for Blizzard to announce a World of Starcraft MMORPG. That's all I need to flush another 5 years of life down the toilet.
Also for the PS3 MAG looks like it will be a good massive online shooter
what I'm seeing looks redunkulous, and it's supposedly of the xbox version. Now if it's really warfare running on a high end PC, that's obviously bullshit. But if the 360 is really pumping out those visuals, man that looks way better than the killzone gameplay footage.
lol you are in some serious anti-Sony sort of denial if you think Modern Warfare 2 is more technically impressive than Killzone 2 (anyway the same game is being released for PS3 too no?) Its settings are arguably more impressive looking, especially the D.C. scenes in the new trailer, but it's a far cry from even the 360's best technically. There are low res. textures all over the place. Lighting looks better than the original though, maybe even HDR if that part right before showing D.C. is in-game, physics are understated to put it mildly, particle effects are scarce...I thought we were debating technically here...?
Other than the character models, Far Cry 2 is still far better than that aging CoD engine. Watch when reviews pop up; if it goes gold they way it is, most of the ones not still overwhelmed by the hype will say it's getting long in the tooth. The only thing it has over Killzone 2 is much better color and character models.
As for The Last Guardian, we'll see when it's released how good the gameplay looks. I bet at worst that cinematics like those will be segued seamlessly into gameplay which will look damn close, ala MGS4. Team Ico is known for delivering on what they show.
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