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Could Peyton Manning become the best QB to ever play the game?
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test boy ii
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Smurfy said:lo @ the Superbowl being the determining factor in whether a QB is the best or not. The superbowl means THAT much? hmmm who won the superbowl LAST year? less than one year ago? Who? yeah them. and they suck this year.
A female doing a lol at the expertise of the EF sports honchos.
Oh my.
Has Lummy sat down at the console?
test boy ii
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Smurfy said:
Think I'll argue with the bors who don't develop thier response into a "we had relations."
Peyton will get dominated in Foxboro this weekend.
Brady has SB wins, Peyton probably never will. Individual records are worthless in a TEAM SPORT. If you can't pull of the big win, you cannot ever be called the best. End of story.
Brady = Modern day Joe Montana
Manning = Modern day Dan Marino
Brady has SB wins, Peyton probably never will. Individual records are worthless in a TEAM SPORT. If you can't pull of the big win, you cannot ever be called the best. End of story.
Brady = Modern day Joe Montana
Manning = Modern day Dan Marino
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colts will beat the pats ass this weekend mark my words!.. As far a quarter backs go bewteen peyton and brady .. brady always have much more to work with.. Brady is a good quarter back but will never be what peryton is plain and simple... And the comment about how you have to win the super bowl to be considered great give me a break that dont mean shit... What if ben wins another one will he be considered great fuck no he sucks.. And go back and look at bradys numbers they were not off the chain in the super bowls and the kicker won 2 of them and there defense brady landed in a perfect situition.. Put peyton there and they would of won more then brady did!! Montona won super bowls threw to win and had a great career...Brady is a good quarterback dont get me wrong but nothing compared to peyton ...
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Elway was the most complete package to win games you did not deserve to win. he took better than average teams to the Super Bowl.
Raptorex
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The Facts
Ref: The cold hard facts http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Article.php?Page=527
Sure, “The Complete & Unabridged Guide to Why Tom Brady is Better Than Peyton Manning” is a little cumbersome. Hey, it’s complete & unabridged. It’s not like we lied to you. If you want something short and sweet, try the Cold, Hard Football Facts Guide to Vegetables.
With that said, many people don’t want to pore through the entire tome. So, we present for you the CliffsNotes version.
Simply break out this cheat sheet anytime you want a quick smackdown of someone who says that Manning is better than Brady.
Manning chokes in the playoffs
Manning has made five playoff appearances in his career. Four times in those five years, he has played his very worst game of the season in the playoffs.
If it happened once, it’s a bad game. When it happens twice, it’s a coincidence. When it happens three times, it’s a trend. When it happens four times, it’s simply who you are.
And this is who Manning is: a guy who plays his worst games in the playoffs. Put most simply, it’s unreasonable to call a player the best quarterback in football when he reserves his worst games for the biggest moments. The single-worst statistical game of Manning’s career (a 31.2 passer rating) came in a 41-0 loss to a 9-7 Jets team in the 2002 postseason. The third-worst game of his career (35.5 rating) came in a 24-14 loss to 14-2 New England in the 2003 postseason.
Brady, meanwhile, elevates his game when it matters most. One year after another, he’s turned in his most impressive performances against the toughest teams when the stakes are highest. These performances include a 312-yard passing game in a blizzard in his playoff debut, two last-second Super Bowl-winning scoring drives, two Super Bowl MVP awards, several Super Bowl passing records and a 2004 AFC championship game in which he shredded the league’s top defense on the road, posting a season-high 130.5 passer rating in the process.
Brady has done more for New England than Manning has for Indy
Sure, the Colts were a second-rate organization before the arrival of Manning. He’s a great quarterback who has certainly done a lot to improve his franchise’s fortunes. He just hasn’t done as much as Brady.
The Colts had their best record, 13-3, in 1999, Manning’s second year in the league. They’ve plateaued since, failing to win more than 12 games in a season while appearing in just one AFC title game.
The Patriots were also a second-rate organization, one that had never won an NFL championship and boasted just eight playoff victories in its first 41 years of existence. Since Brady took the helm, New England has posted back-to-back 14-win seasons, added nine playoff victories and won three NFL titles.
Bill Belichick, meanwhile, had a career record of 42-58 before handing the reins to Brady. His record since is 61-17.
Brady always outplays Manning
When their two teams square off, Brady is 6-0 and he routinely outplays his fantasy football prodigy of a counterpart. Here are their respective stats in their six meetings:
* Brady: 121 for 180 (67.2%), 1,322 yards, 10 TDs, 4 INTs, 98.0 passer rating
* Manning: 137 for 234 (58.5%), 1,542 yards, 9 TDs, 10 INTs, 73.3 passer rating
Sure, New England has had a better defense. But if you're argument is that Manning is the best quarterback in football, doesn't it stand to reason that he should be capable of lighting up a good defense?
Manning should have great numbers
The Colts have given Manning every imaginable resource needed to post eye-popping numbers. He’s handed the ball off to two Hall of Fame running backs, Marshall Faulk and Edgerrin James, and throws the ball to a collection of fleet-footed No. 1 draft pick receivers. Until this year, Indy management has routinely spurned its defense to spend money on offensive talent. Manning is supposed to have great numbers.
Brady has posted remarkably similar numbers throwing to a collection of low-round draft picks and NFL journeymen, on a team that has devoted much fewer resources to stacking its team with offensive talent.
The numbers are not that different
Most fans believe Manning posts spectacular numbers year after year while Brady merely muddles along with pedestrian statistics.
The truth is that Brady actually has better numbers at this point in his career (five-plus years in the league) than Manning had at the same point in his career. And even when we take into consideration Manning’s record-setting 2004 campaign, the two are very close on the all-time passer rating list. Manning is No. 4 (92.3 on the list. Brady is No. 7 (87.5).
The bottom line
No quarterback in football today – and arguably no quarterback in history – has pieced together a better combination of historically strong passing statistics and team success than Brady.
Manning puts up great numbers in the regular season. Brady puts up great numbers all the time, especially when the games count most, and has done it with less talent around him. He's also done more to alter his team’s fortunes and has been the undisputed leader on one of just three teams in NFL history to win three championships in a four-year span.
Brady, then, is the better quarterback.
Ref: The cold hard facts http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Article.php?Page=527
Sure, “The Complete & Unabridged Guide to Why Tom Brady is Better Than Peyton Manning” is a little cumbersome. Hey, it’s complete & unabridged. It’s not like we lied to you. If you want something short and sweet, try the Cold, Hard Football Facts Guide to Vegetables.
With that said, many people don’t want to pore through the entire tome. So, we present for you the CliffsNotes version.
Simply break out this cheat sheet anytime you want a quick smackdown of someone who says that Manning is better than Brady.
Manning chokes in the playoffs
Manning has made five playoff appearances in his career. Four times in those five years, he has played his very worst game of the season in the playoffs.
If it happened once, it’s a bad game. When it happens twice, it’s a coincidence. When it happens three times, it’s a trend. When it happens four times, it’s simply who you are.
And this is who Manning is: a guy who plays his worst games in the playoffs. Put most simply, it’s unreasonable to call a player the best quarterback in football when he reserves his worst games for the biggest moments. The single-worst statistical game of Manning’s career (a 31.2 passer rating) came in a 41-0 loss to a 9-7 Jets team in the 2002 postseason. The third-worst game of his career (35.5 rating) came in a 24-14 loss to 14-2 New England in the 2003 postseason.
Brady, meanwhile, elevates his game when it matters most. One year after another, he’s turned in his most impressive performances against the toughest teams when the stakes are highest. These performances include a 312-yard passing game in a blizzard in his playoff debut, two last-second Super Bowl-winning scoring drives, two Super Bowl MVP awards, several Super Bowl passing records and a 2004 AFC championship game in which he shredded the league’s top defense on the road, posting a season-high 130.5 passer rating in the process.
Brady has done more for New England than Manning has for Indy
Sure, the Colts were a second-rate organization before the arrival of Manning. He’s a great quarterback who has certainly done a lot to improve his franchise’s fortunes. He just hasn’t done as much as Brady.
The Colts had their best record, 13-3, in 1999, Manning’s second year in the league. They’ve plateaued since, failing to win more than 12 games in a season while appearing in just one AFC title game.
The Patriots were also a second-rate organization, one that had never won an NFL championship and boasted just eight playoff victories in its first 41 years of existence. Since Brady took the helm, New England has posted back-to-back 14-win seasons, added nine playoff victories and won three NFL titles.
Bill Belichick, meanwhile, had a career record of 42-58 before handing the reins to Brady. His record since is 61-17.
Brady always outplays Manning
When their two teams square off, Brady is 6-0 and he routinely outplays his fantasy football prodigy of a counterpart. Here are their respective stats in their six meetings:
* Brady: 121 for 180 (67.2%), 1,322 yards, 10 TDs, 4 INTs, 98.0 passer rating
* Manning: 137 for 234 (58.5%), 1,542 yards, 9 TDs, 10 INTs, 73.3 passer rating
Sure, New England has had a better defense. But if you're argument is that Manning is the best quarterback in football, doesn't it stand to reason that he should be capable of lighting up a good defense?
Manning should have great numbers
The Colts have given Manning every imaginable resource needed to post eye-popping numbers. He’s handed the ball off to two Hall of Fame running backs, Marshall Faulk and Edgerrin James, and throws the ball to a collection of fleet-footed No. 1 draft pick receivers. Until this year, Indy management has routinely spurned its defense to spend money on offensive talent. Manning is supposed to have great numbers.
Brady has posted remarkably similar numbers throwing to a collection of low-round draft picks and NFL journeymen, on a team that has devoted much fewer resources to stacking its team with offensive talent.
The numbers are not that different
Most fans believe Manning posts spectacular numbers year after year while Brady merely muddles along with pedestrian statistics.
The truth is that Brady actually has better numbers at this point in his career (five-plus years in the league) than Manning had at the same point in his career. And even when we take into consideration Manning’s record-setting 2004 campaign, the two are very close on the all-time passer rating list. Manning is No. 4 (92.3 on the list. Brady is No. 7 (87.5).
The bottom line
No quarterback in football today – and arguably no quarterback in history – has pieced together a better combination of historically strong passing statistics and team success than Brady.
Manning puts up great numbers in the regular season. Brady puts up great numbers all the time, especially when the games count most, and has done it with less talent around him. He's also done more to alter his team’s fortunes and has been the undisputed leader on one of just three teams in NFL history to win three championships in a four-year span.
Brady, then, is the better quarterback.
test boy ii
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PICK3 said:Thanks, but I'm not interested in Elway's package
Form what I hear...you are.
