Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below I've ran pro hormones in the past and have one real cycle of test and wonky under my belt. I responded great, kept 80%of my gains minimally.. For my next cycle I was gonna do test primo and var.. I've been reading on tren a ton and I wanna give it a try.. Even if its 50mg Ed or eod for 4 weeks... It sounds amazing and I think I would b fine runnin it... What's ur thoughts? Age 25
Could I get away with tren in my second cycle?
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I would wait since you're getting good gains off of Test and Wonky (lol) which you should be being you haven't done many cycles. There's a lot of things that you need to gain experience with to properly utilize Tren, IMO.
bonacris
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I would wait for a few more cycles.. I have run tren and I loved it but I did a year of solid research before touching it.. everyday I read an article or a log or something on tren before I decided to do it .
If you do decide to run it keep test low and tren reasonable and have caber on hand.
I ran 250test and 300tren. I bumped up the test as an experiment and had it at 500 and my sides were terrible..
I also bumped up the tren to 500 with kow test and the sides werent as bad..
Crippling pumps and constantly sweating were the biggest sides for me.. doing 5 sets of squat took almost an hour because back pumps were so back..
I would leave to a later cycle but thats just me
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If you do decide to run it keep test low and tren reasonable and have caber on hand.
I ran 250test and 300tren. I bumped up the test as an experiment and had it at 500 and my sides were terrible..
I also bumped up the tren to 500 with kow test and the sides werent as bad..
Crippling pumps and constantly sweating were the biggest sides for me.. doing 5 sets of squat took almost an hour because back pumps were so back..
I would leave to a later cycle but thats just me
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I'm not going to say you shouldn't do it, but I think it would benefit you more to use it a couple cycles down the road. You have plenty of time to build up to it. If you do decide to run it, I would start low at 50-75mg EOD to assess how you respond to side effects
up to you
if you run it run 200mg a week of ace and cap it at 6 weeks to see how you react.
i'm not a fan of tren with younger guys or guys who don't have enough experience, all the horror stories from tren you notice come from these guys and it gives the compound a bad rap when it really isn't as bad as the stories make it out to be
if you run it run 200mg a week of ace and cap it at 6 weeks to see how you react.
i'm not a fan of tren with younger guys or guys who don't have enough experience, all the horror stories from tren you notice come from these guys and it gives the compound a bad rap when it really isn't as bad as the stories make it out to be
thedarkhalf
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yeah man I think it's just too early....I would rather see you run deca for the next few cycles just to get experience with prolactin management
matter2003
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I'm scared to death of the ventricular hypertrophy linked to tren and some of the other ones...that's nothing to play with...not a big fan of suddenly having my heart explode
Reps For Jesus
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I think you will be fine. Actually, by looking at your cycle.. adding tren could have a great benefit. I'd run it from weeks 7-12. This will help you blast through myostatin so you can continue making lean gains for the entire 12 weeks. 50 mg ED, or 100 mg eod is fine.
1-12 Test 300mg/week
1-12 Primo 600mg/week
7-12 Tren Ace 100mg/eod
7-14 Anavar 60-80mg/day
1-12 Test 300mg/week
1-12 Primo 600mg/week
7-12 Tren Ace 100mg/eod
7-14 Anavar 60-80mg/day
OkayI guess I'm just gonna postpone it for my third or maybe even fourth cycle.. And wats this about tren potentially makin ur heart explode?!
all steroid usage over long term has the potential to cause left ventricular hypertrophy. its part of the risk just all the other side effects. I dont think tren causes any more or less potential for that particular side than any other.
Anyhow, good idea for waiting. I would say wait until youve run at least 5 cycles utilizing stacks with gear like deca, EQ, dbol, wonky, var, etc.
tren is something to build up to, once you try it you aint going back to weaker sauce. That being said you want to maximize the lesser gear cycles beforehand to get the most out of tren later on.
Kinda like if you just got your pilots license, you wouldnt jump from a cesna to a F-18 fighter jet would you?
Reps For Jesus
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Alright guys.. don't flame me too much for this response.
I don't understand this whole "you're not ready for tren" non sense. Basically I think it comes down to.. you are either ready for it or you're not. There are plenty of guys that have many cycles under their belt before they try tren; and then when they try it, it is too much for them. Then there are the guys that jump on the tren bandwagon for their first cycle and they are totally fine with it. I think that you should see how foreign hormones act in your body before trying tren, but after that.. why wait? Now, don't give me all of this genetic potential bullshit.. or that it is for the big boys only. The majority of us juice because we want to be bigger, stronger, faster than the next person.. or look sexy as fuck naked. Either way, we chose to go this route because we don't want to achieve our goals 5-6 years from now.. we want instant gratification. If your training and diet are on point.. we know what steroids can achieve! That is why we use them!! Now we all agree that tren is the king, it fits your goals whether your cutting or bulking. It will transform your body like nothing else. So why the fuck should someone wait 5 years to try it? You can either handle it or you can't. We can all give our advice to him, but at the end of the day we are not him! What if he can handle tren just fine.. but doesn't decide to use it because we all told him to wait? He then missed out on something great all because of someones opinion. Only he will know if he is ready or not. This is not rocket science. Start with tren ace at a low to moderate dose. You will know within a week or two if you can handle it or not. If everything is well.. then continue. If you don't like it then stop. It's that simple.
I don't understand this whole "you're not ready for tren" non sense. Basically I think it comes down to.. you are either ready for it or you're not. There are plenty of guys that have many cycles under their belt before they try tren; and then when they try it, it is too much for them. Then there are the guys that jump on the tren bandwagon for their first cycle and they are totally fine with it. I think that you should see how foreign hormones act in your body before trying tren, but after that.. why wait? Now, don't give me all of this genetic potential bullshit.. or that it is for the big boys only. The majority of us juice because we want to be bigger, stronger, faster than the next person.. or look sexy as fuck naked. Either way, we chose to go this route because we don't want to achieve our goals 5-6 years from now.. we want instant gratification. If your training and diet are on point.. we know what steroids can achieve! That is why we use them!! Now we all agree that tren is the king, it fits your goals whether your cutting or bulking. It will transform your body like nothing else. So why the fuck should someone wait 5 years to try it? You can either handle it or you can't. We can all give our advice to him, but at the end of the day we are not him! What if he can handle tren just fine.. but doesn't decide to use it because we all told him to wait? He then missed out on something great all because of someones opinion. Only he will know if he is ready or not. This is not rocket science. Start with tren ace at a low to moderate dose. You will know within a week or two if you can handle it or not. If everything is well.. then continue. If you don't like it then stop. It's that simple.
I actually agree with you bro. The main thing that concerns me is the noobs that want to use it, not knowing what they are doing, how to run proper supports, PCT, etc.
If someone has enough knowledge of what they are doing, I dont see a problem with guys running Tren. As you said, nobody knows how they will react until they try it. Doesnt matter if its a year or 20 years down the road. I'm one of the lucky ones, as I have nearly zero sides (other than a little night sweats) on Tren at 400mg per week.
MaxxReps
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I may get flamed too but I am going to try it for my second cycle. I'm older, don't have years and years of cycling ahead of me and who knows when I may injure myself and it will all be over. Plan to use a short ester and if its too much then just stop - at least then you'll know.
I am not a competitive bodybuilder and don't have much use for bodybuilding drugs (winny/anavar) just want to gain mass. I was torn between npp and deca but since they both need similar ancilaries and have a similar risk profile decided FUCK IT give it a shot. If its too much for me, I'll run npp.
Good luck bro
I am not a competitive bodybuilder and don't have much use for bodybuilding drugs (winny/anavar) just want to gain mass. I was torn between npp and deca but since they both need similar ancilaries and have a similar risk profile decided FUCK IT give it a shot. If its too much for me, I'll run npp.
Good luck bro
okay you guys are missing the injury thing though.
if you use something like tren that is a fast roid which adds mass and strength in a very short time think about the trauma you are putting your body through.
once you start getting nagging injuries they can become chronic.
so a much better option for a 2nd cycle would be primo or EQ.. something that is a slow builder that won't wreak your joints, ligaments and tendons.
lets say after 4 or 5 cycles you reach a point where you are legitimately stuck and its hard to get better than its time to hit the tren to push you over the top to the next level.
also the downside to tren is when you come off you get a boomerang effect especially with strength.. anyone who claims this to not be true doesn't train for strength because tren takes me to ridiculous levels of strength where i have no where to go but down when i come off! so it can be a real mind fuck on a 2nd cycle to come down from there
if you use something like tren that is a fast roid which adds mass and strength in a very short time think about the trauma you are putting your body through.
once you start getting nagging injuries they can become chronic.
so a much better option for a 2nd cycle would be primo or EQ.. something that is a slow builder that won't wreak your joints, ligaments and tendons.
lets say after 4 or 5 cycles you reach a point where you are legitimately stuck and its hard to get better than its time to hit the tren to push you over the top to the next level.
also the downside to tren is when you come off you get a boomerang effect especially with strength.. anyone who claims this to not be true doesn't train for strength because tren takes me to ridiculous levels of strength where i have no where to go but down when i come off! so it can be a real mind fuck on a 2nd cycle to come down from there
Reps For Jesus
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I think if you have a muscular base, then the joint injuries are not too much of a concern. Now if you are as skinny as a rail and put on 20 pounds of muscle in a short time.. that is a different story. But, that could be true for almost all steroids.. not just tren.
I am not saying telling him to wait is wrong, in fact that is excellent advice. I am just saying that steroids are different for everyone, so he really needs to find out for himself.
Also.. about the strength issue. I train for aesthetics, so tren is different in that regard to me. But I can understand what you are saying about the strength dropping off and how losing your gains could suck.
I am not saying telling him to wait is wrong, in fact that is excellent advice. I am just saying that steroids are different for everyone, so he really needs to find out for himself.
Also.. about the strength issue. I train for aesthetics, so tren is different in that regard to me. But I can understand what you are saying about the strength dropping off and how losing your gains could suck.
20 pounds of muscle? not gonna happen.
20 pounds total of fat, water, muscle then yes happens all the time with newbs who run tren or deca/dbol when they are below their natural potential. and then those guys complain about nagging injuries. when you improve too fast its gonna happen, doesn't matter what sport it is.
thats why i told the OP.. run 200mg a week of ACE and cap it at only 6 weeks IF he decides to do it. thats exaclty what i did when i first ran tren and i recovered great.. next time around he can shoot for 8 weeks and go from there
I'm gonna hold off till my 3rd cycle for tren after reading this just bc I do want to test out some better hormones that just wonky (haha) .. I've been reading on eq, and it sounds pretty dope. I already have the primo var and test on hand. I've decided to kickstart with the var for 8 weeks as opposed to runnin the last 8 weeks... Whatwld eq add to my cycle in terms of gains.. I read its fairly safe riod so I am contemplating adding it in ..
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Endurance, vascularity, lean muscle, steady strength gains. Promiscuous women..
nothing that great
nothing that great
Would it be a waste to run it for 12 weeks? I read a bunch about pple runnin it for 16 weeks so wondering if I would need to extend the rest of my cycle as well... I'm also thinking about mast if not eq but I'm at 11% (around there) so not sure if mast would even be worth it...
carnivore24
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while I agree if you're going to juice, know the side effects, risks, and are an adult about dealing with long term effects run tren whenever you please. you can handle it or you can't period IMO of course.
but Steve makes a great point that is not talked about much. I recently came off tren and went back to my trt dose and watch my strength plummet. this mind fucked me so hard I felt embarrassed to even lift. going from 525 deads back to 475 is horrific. if I had a bad time I'm sure an early juicer would nearly give up the sport. I would have anyway if it was my first or second cycle.
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Aussi muscle
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I may decide to have a dab at tren on my third cycle also as it just sounds perfect, if your body will except it of course. So if it does work for me, the research iv done will have me prepared for the strength drop it gives at cycle end. I think still the main priority is maintaining the size, not the strength. Sure you feel great in the gym when you know your being admired for your strength by a group of guys around you, but the feeling you get when people (especially chicks) admire your physique in the gym or out really makes it worth the hard work in my opinion. It's taken me a while but taking your ego out of the gym and just focusing on your goal of the body you want, will eventually bring you success. Leave the ego boost for when people are mirin' haha
Let's look at this from both angles and arguments that are presented here... There are valid reasons for both sets of thoughts but there is a BETTER and WISER option between the two...
CAN YOU run tren on a second cycle... Of course you can... Why can't you? You have already introduced your body to a foreign substance in a previous cycle so you have "some sort" of idea on how it reacts to anabolics... You have already had some experiences and your body has adjusted to these situations... You can also run the acetate ester allowing yourself to stop quickly if your body does not respond favorably... No harm, no foul and if you are lucky enough to not have intolerable sides, you can run it and make drastic gains...
Let's look at it from the other perspective... Your only 25... You've only ran ONE real cycle... You are opting for one of the harshest steroids you can use as well as one of the strongest... Where do you go from there after you run it? Are you planning on running tren every cycle from here on out? Don't you have a lot of other options to run as opposed to tren that will have much less side effects and still provide excellent results? I just made a new video called "Steroids: A marathon, not a sprint" Check it out... Steroid Use: A Marathon, Not A Sprint: By Dylan Gemelli - YouTube When you run something like primo for example, you are getting amazing gains, with minimal side effects and you can run it over and over without having to worry about the long term damage that continuous tren use could give... You don't need tren right now... Are you going pro? If you are, then of course, go with tren... I don't believe that's your circumstance though... Why run it now? There's no need when you have so many other options to explore... Run it later... Build up more toward it... Run it when you really need it for something and get the most bang out of it as it will be your first time running it... Explore other options first... Its a marathon, not a sprint... Take your time and be aggressive while still being conservative...
You can run it on a second cycle, yes, but is it the wisest option... For me, no, it's not... Stick with primo on this one... You will be very happy that you did...
CAN YOU run tren on a second cycle... Of course you can... Why can't you? You have already introduced your body to a foreign substance in a previous cycle so you have "some sort" of idea on how it reacts to anabolics... You have already had some experiences and your body has adjusted to these situations... You can also run the acetate ester allowing yourself to stop quickly if your body does not respond favorably... No harm, no foul and if you are lucky enough to not have intolerable sides, you can run it and make drastic gains...
Let's look at it from the other perspective... Your only 25... You've only ran ONE real cycle... You are opting for one of the harshest steroids you can use as well as one of the strongest... Where do you go from there after you run it? Are you planning on running tren every cycle from here on out? Don't you have a lot of other options to run as opposed to tren that will have much less side effects and still provide excellent results? I just made a new video called "Steroids: A marathon, not a sprint" Check it out... Steroid Use: A Marathon, Not A Sprint: By Dylan Gemelli - YouTube When you run something like primo for example, you are getting amazing gains, with minimal side effects and you can run it over and over without having to worry about the long term damage that continuous tren use could give... You don't need tren right now... Are you going pro? If you are, then of course, go with tren... I don't believe that's your circumstance though... Why run it now? There's no need when you have so many other options to explore... Run it later... Build up more toward it... Run it when you really need it for something and get the most bang out of it as it will be your first time running it... Explore other options first... Its a marathon, not a sprint... Take your time and be aggressive while still being conservative...
You can run it on a second cycle, yes, but is it the wisest option... For me, no, it's not... Stick with primo on this one... You will be very happy that you did...
Aussi muscle
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I agree with what you said Dylan, but damn it makes it hard on guys that source information from here and when the subject TREN comes up. There is nothing but love and praise for the absolute "BEST,BADDEST,MEANEST" steroid on the planet, haha. Most guys be frothing hard. But we really do need to be patient and hope this bad boy will be accepted by our body when the times right.
for this upcoming cycle I will stick with test var primo and i am highly contemplating eqSimilar threads
