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LowTier_Saiyan
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While it's not "contradicting" information, the kindle version, Anabolics, by William Llewellyn includes sample cycles.
On most cycles that use an androgenic (not anabolic), he wrote:
"estrogen support: tamoxifen (20-40mg/day)"
including cycles where users never go above 500mg of test E, per week, and there's no other compound being used. (He didn't write to use tamoxifen only if symptoms appear in this section of the book).
On many websites dedicated to PED use, there's beginner cycles of just test E, that don't recommend using tamoxifen during cycle; however, there are more advanced cycles online with multiple compounds that do recommend an AI or anti-estrogen while on cycle.
If you keep reading the book, you will find the drug profile of tamoxifen where he wrote, "It is important to note that anti-estrogen use may slightly reduce gains made during a steroid cycle...Therefore it is usually advised to identify a specific need for tamoxifen citrate before committing to its use during a cycle. Many people, in fact, find the use of an anti-estrogen unnecessary....Others, however, find they are troubled by water retention and gynecomastia even with milder (estrogenic) drugs...The estrogenic response to steroid use is very individual, and may be influenced by age and body fat percentage...".
I'm confused because on his sample cycles he didn't write this information, so why isn't he following his own advice? He wrote a whole section of the book dedicated to estrogen aromatization and cited a study where TRT patients were given tamoxifen vs. other patients who only did TRT without tamoxifen. The TRT group that DID NOT use tamoxifen had higher growth hormone and IGF-1 values than the TRT + tamoxifen group who had the values, "notably supressed".
Do you run up to 500mg / week of test E, without tamoxifen during cycle?
or
Do you run tamoxifen everyday while on cycle even on just 500mg / week of test E?
If you don't run tamoxifen during a weak cycle, and you are unlucky and notice early gyno, fat gains, and acne, wouldn't it be better to use something stronger than tamoxifen? It's my belief that it would be too late to use tamoxifen once you have early symptoms of gyno (Maybe not use letro, but something stronger than tamoxifen)
On most cycles that use an androgenic (not anabolic), he wrote:
"estrogen support: tamoxifen (20-40mg/day)"
including cycles where users never go above 500mg of test E, per week, and there's no other compound being used. (He didn't write to use tamoxifen only if symptoms appear in this section of the book).
On many websites dedicated to PED use, there's beginner cycles of just test E, that don't recommend using tamoxifen during cycle; however, there are more advanced cycles online with multiple compounds that do recommend an AI or anti-estrogen while on cycle.
If you keep reading the book, you will find the drug profile of tamoxifen where he wrote, "It is important to note that anti-estrogen use may slightly reduce gains made during a steroid cycle...Therefore it is usually advised to identify a specific need for tamoxifen citrate before committing to its use during a cycle. Many people, in fact, find the use of an anti-estrogen unnecessary....Others, however, find they are troubled by water retention and gynecomastia even with milder (estrogenic) drugs...The estrogenic response to steroid use is very individual, and may be influenced by age and body fat percentage...".
I'm confused because on his sample cycles he didn't write this information, so why isn't he following his own advice? He wrote a whole section of the book dedicated to estrogen aromatization and cited a study where TRT patients were given tamoxifen vs. other patients who only did TRT without tamoxifen. The TRT group that DID NOT use tamoxifen had higher growth hormone and IGF-1 values than the TRT + tamoxifen group who had the values, "notably supressed".
Do you run up to 500mg / week of test E, without tamoxifen during cycle?
or
Do you run tamoxifen everyday while on cycle even on just 500mg / week of test E?
If you don't run tamoxifen during a weak cycle, and you are unlucky and notice early gyno, fat gains, and acne, wouldn't it be better to use something stronger than tamoxifen? It's my belief that it would be too late to use tamoxifen once you have early symptoms of gyno (Maybe not use letro, but something stronger than tamoxifen)
