clomid and bill roberts...yes or no

[pintailduck100]

bill roberts suggest to use clomid through out the cycle.


"The claim that duration of intake should not exceed 10-14 days is incorrect. Clinical studies with male patients have been for periods of a year or longer. This error probably originates from the fact that, for use in women, due to the menstrual cycle there would obviously be no point in trying to stimulate ovulation all four weeks of the month. Thus, use in women is limited to 10-14 days. That limitation is not because of toxicity.

Clomid is in fact useful throughout a cycle if aromatizable drugs are being used. I do think however that to be conservative, one should use it no more than 2/3 of the time throughout the year or a little less."

anyone ever done it? do you agree or disagree? i know people are going to say to use liquidex or armidex, but why.

 

[Zyglamail]

The reason, unless im misreading him, he suggests to use it is to block the estrogen receptor and hence prevent estrogen sides such as gyno. It can certianly be used during a cycle but most people opt for anastrozole or a more powerfulll anti-e.

 

[Canuck4]

Some also use clomid thru the whole cycle to maintain testicular function.

 

[basskiller]

Clomid can be used as a week anti-e. But most guys are ceceptable to excess water bloat and even gyno, therefore opt for a stonger anti-e such as the ones mentioned by Zyg.

Now only by knowing how your body reacts to particular drugs would I consider it safe to use as a viable anti-e substitute.
bass

 

[Nelson Montana]

Bill Roberts is extremely knowledgeable, highly educated and especially astute when it comes to the topic of anabolic steroids. He also has some of the worst advice and says some of the stupidest shit I ever heard.

 

[genarr3]

If it's being used during a cycle it's being used as an anti-e, not to prevent HTPA suppression.

That might have been writtten awhile back. Nolvadex was also used for this purpose once upon a time. Arimidex hasn't been around all that long fellas.

 

[Zyglamail]

canuck, this doesn't keep size on testicles. HCG does somewhat during a cycle but I haven't known clomid to do that.

I agree, estrogen is only one of the feedback loops, even in the absence of estrogen test production will be affected by elevated androgen levels, so on cycle clomid will be of little use to prevent shutdown.

 

[Canuck4]

canuck, this doesn't keep size on testicles. HCG does somewhat during a cycle but I haven't known clomid to do that.

Thats what I heard. I know it prob be a waste of clomid at ED thru a cycle.
I rather use some arimidex or femara.

 

[pintailduck100]

thanks everyone, i'll just stick to the armidex. and clomid post cycle.

 

[BigD50]

I've used Clomid 50mgs EOD throughtout a cycle and then ED at the end for 3 weeks or so. I have no scientific evidence of what it did, but this is what I felt like it did. I felt like I was holding less water looking in the mirror. I really noticed it if I would miss a couple of days and then take it and the next day I felt tight again It also seemed as my nuts didn't atrophy as much as usual. I also felt like I didn't crash as hard at the end. I didn't get any gyno either, so I guess I felt like it was worth it to take throughout the cycle as it's cheap.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Suggesting that someone who never took steroids before should take as much as possible to take advantage of the "first cycle gains" is not only stupid but irresponsible.

Saying that a high end dosage of Andosol is equivilant to 200 mgs of Sustanon is pretty stupid.

Many of his statements about Clomid , he just pulled out of his ass and were stupid.


Calling TC Luoma a scumbag and Biotest crap and the Testosterone staff a pack of "lying clowns" and then going to work for them is...wait a minute. That's not stupid. It shows that he's a shill and has no credibility. Sorry.

 

[B182]

Bill Roberts is extremely knowledgeable, highly educated and especially astute when it comes to the topic of anabolic steroids. He also has some of the worst advice and says some of the stupidest shit I ever heard.

LOL. Yeah, remember when Bill said "They are designed for animal receptor sites which will also work in humans, but much of it is wasted due to the fact that the molecule is floating around looking to attach itself to something that isn't there. " in reference for vet gear? Oh, wait, that was Nelson Montana, Bill Robert's alias am I right?

Or remember when "Bill" *cough* Nelson said "Take your first 200 mg shot of Deca on day-one. Wait three days and do another 200 mgs. Wait four days and do another 200 mgs. Five days later do 100 mgs of Deca. After a week, do your last shot of 100 mgs of Deca. In this way, there will be an abundance of the drugs in the bloodstream when the growth stage is at its peak and it provides enough of a gradual decrease to allow for the body to begin readjusting and "cleansing itself." This may be of little consequence since this protocol won't inhibit the testicular axis for very long. " ? Yeah, if you do all your deca in one week, thenn you will have next to no inhibition! That Nelson guy of Bill's is pure genius!

 

[Nelson Montana]

B182 -- Not sure what your point is regarding the deca. As far as the other stuff, well... that article was written back in 1997. We all were shooting from the hip back then. Of course the info about the receptors was incorrect but what few people realize is that there are medications that are species specific. (i.e. aspirin works similarly in dogs as it does in humans but it's poisonous to cats).

I never claimed to be a scientist or to be a genius, but Roberts has -- and he's neither.
And for the inaccuracies The "Steroids For Health" article may have had, it still holds up as pretty good advice for anyone who's looking to do a safe cycle. (Hey, even Bill copied my short cycle plan.) Telling people to do 1000mgs of test before ever having used steroids is very, very, stupid -- in spite of whatever knowledge they may have about pharmaceutical agents. At least that's how I see it.