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Check out the wall Isreal is building

ChefWide said:


Forget the past worries about Samson, worrie about NOW:

This is from just before Dubyas Hoedown in the Desert,

As Israel's most respected military affairs commentator, Ze'ev Schiff, has put it: "If Iraq strikes at Israel with non-conventional warheads, causing massive casualties among the civil population, Israel could respond with a nuclear retaliation that would eradicate Iraq as a country."

I think that puts Seymour Hersh's presumptions in "The Samson Option" into more current context, dont you?

Here is a great post I read the other day....

During the Cold War of the sixties, the only thing stopping American or Russian psychopaths from taking over the entire world was the doctrine of Mutually Assured Destruction [MAD], where a multiple ICBM launch by America on Russia or vice versa, would automatically lead to a “doomsday” response by the nation under attack. Mutual destruction of both America and Russia was thereby guaranteed, resulting in nearly thirty years of unprecedented peace and quiet, caused solely by mutual nuclear fear.

About one month ago, Russia discreetly invoked MAD again, but this time in the Middle East in direct response to hysterical Israeli threats to nuke Iran with submarine-launched American Harpoon missiles. Quietly and with the minimum of fuss, Russia deployed its most advanced tactical nuclear missiles and crews to both Syria and Iran, thereby sending an unmistakable diplomatic signal that if Israel attacked Tehran or Damascus with nuclear weapons, Russia would in return instantly and anonymously vaporize the Jewish State.

This is not an idle or exaggerated threat. The Russian missile type deployed in Syria and Iran is the P270 Moskit [Mosquito], known in NATO circles as the SS-N-22 "Sunburn," once described by Rep. Dana Rohrabacher as "the most dangerous anti-ship missile in the Russian, and now the Chinese, fleet.” The ship borne version of this missile is launched from deck mounted quad tubes, but since Rohrabacher made his comments, Russia has adapted the Sunburn for submerged launch from submarines, air launch from Sukhoi 27s, and single surface launch from modified 40’ flatbed trucks. Nowadays, western defense experts unambiguously view all versions of Sunburn as the “most dangerous missiles in the world.”

...

Worst of all for the Zionists left alive in Washington and New York, is that if the Russians are obliged to launch their counter-strike against Israel, it will be one-hundred-percent deniable. Unlike Israel and its public threats to nuke Iran, Russia has not threatened anyone at all. Because Sunburn flies below the horizon it cannot be detected or logged by radar, and a 200-kiloton hole in the middle of Tel Aviv will yield no clues. Very likely the Russians will copy the Americans, and blame a fictional “rogue state” like Iran, Pakistan or North Korea.

-- Joe Vialls

that's a nice gesture by the russians, however if they let their nukes fly I wouldnt' be surprised if the US opened up on the russians. game over for all of us.
 
glennds said:
matt you are mistaken about your mistaken about jews not being a race, although judiasm IS a religion.

i still think buddhism is a part of the hindu religion, which includes most asian countries. i will do some research online. i remember learning this in a college course but admittedly it was many years ago. maybe one of the other board members can answer this.

Jews are nto a race.

The idea of Jews being categorized as a race started during the Inquisition. Spanish and Church Inquisitors wanted to know if there was a jewish relative in the family somewhere - if it could be traced back, then a person could bve labeled as "1/4 Jewish" or "1/16 Jewish" for Inquisition / execution purposes.

There is no historical basis for Jews as a race...no development that would constitute a race. An excellent reference for the development of races is Jared Diamond's "Guns Germs and Steel".

Anyway, the DNA tests being similar probably is no surprise. The world's Jews can either be categoried almost entirely as Ashkenazi (European, pretty much) or Sephardic (Middle Eastern).

even the Ashkenazi Jews are origianlly of Middle eastern descent, as are modern Palestinians....so of course there is no difference - I can't imagine Jews would freak out over this, as any Jew would tell you that it is adherence to God's law that defiens a Jew, notthing else...
 
pharmguy said:


I am not a zionists bud! And yes there have been problems with the palestinains, but they hit a new level in the late 80's.


Lets see, you basicly said: Israel has the right to fuck over anyone they choose because the land didnt belong to anyone that matters, that Israel has the 'right' to be there and the palestinians should be thankful for the deal they are getting from benevolent Israel. That is pretty much right out of the twisted brain of Theodor Herzl.

You are a Zionist.

If you believe any of what you were frothing on about in your first post, then stand up like a man and stick by it.

If you are backing down like the uninformed propaganda spouting sheep that you are, then shut the hell up and dont post shit that you will back down from as soon as someone who has actually done the research slaps you down.
 
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MattTheSkywalker said:

Jews are nto a race.

Tell that to Hitler!

this is an interestsing debate and your points may be true. but jews are considered a race in modern times regardless.
 
Jewishness is considered a nationality based upon the 'Jewish State of Israel" and a religious orientation, and jews are refered to as a race based upon hitlers need to categorize them as biologically different from everyone else. It would not do for them to be merely different based upon heritage or personal preference, he NEEDED them to be different organicly to provide him with his inferiority argument.

So, in fact, jews or jewishness is NOT a race. Use a dictionary:


Jew
n.
1. An adherent of Judaism as a religion or culture.
2. A member of the widely dispersed people originally descended from the ancient Hebrews and sharing an ethnic heritage based on Judaism.
3. A native or inhabitant of the ancient kingdom of Judah.
 
ChefWide said:


Lets see, you basicly said: Israel has the right to fuck over anyone they choose because the land didnt belong to anyone that matters, that Israel has the 'right' to be there and the palestinians should be thankful for the deal they are getting from benevolent Israel. That is pretty much right out of the twisted brain of Theodor Herzl.

You are a Zionist.

If you believe any of what you were frothing on about in your first post, then stand up like a man and stick by it.

If you are backing down like the uninformed propaganda spouting sheep that you are, then shut the hell up and dont post shit that you will back down from as soon as someone who has actually done the research slaps you down.

I am not an any "- ist" or "-ism". I may beleive along certain likenessess of zionists, but I am a far cry from a zionists. And don't attack me because you are ashamed of who you are and where you come from.
 
pharmguy said:


I am not an any "- ist" or "-ism". I may beleive along certain likenessess of zionists, but I am a far cry from a zionists. And don't attack me because you are ashamed of who you are and where you come from.

You know what, I am damn proud to be who I am, and just as proud of what I am not:

I am NOT someone who will sit idly by while people of my same cultural background talk shit to try and rationalize murder and racism in the name of Israel. Try defending the bullshit in your post, or shut the fuck up already.

Try re-reading my post where I tore your crap to shreds and either defend your lies or be recognized as the dickless idiot you are:



I was raised as a jew and its totally uniformed rants like yours that make jews look not only stupid but racist. Zionism IS racism. Pure and simple, we might have had a chance at asserting a 'right' to SHARING that land in 1948, but we have displaced these people because the general concensus by the European jews, the christian brits and christian americans at that time was that arabs were shit and had no rights... oops... the same attitude that we have today!

Only until the late 80's when they decided to fight the settlement policy with bombs was there a problem.

Emotion is good. Knowing your history would be better... THE LATE '80s??? How the fuck did you erase the murder of the Israeli olympic team by PLO members in 1972? Or Yassar the Muderers goons blowing up airliners? Or the massacre of palestinian women and children by Sharon and his goons in 1982 at Sabra and Shatilla?

Look, the PLO and all its ghoulish offspring are murderers and criminals and Yassar Arafat belongs in prison or better yet, swinging from a rope... RIGHT NEXT TO ARIEL SHARON! If there was a hell, which there isnt, they would both have places reserved for eternity in the torments of doom.



It was desert. The jews once again made something from nothing, and the palestinain arabs decided it should be theirs.


No one with the smallest clue thinks that to be in same fucking time zone as correct. Ben Gurion and Golda Meir (whom I met, and my folks knew) both thought of all arabs as fast breeding rats and said on more than one public occasion that the arab 'problem' had to be decicively dealt with... It was Menachem Begin and the early Haganna that helped in the systematic expulsion of Palestinians from their towns, the bulldozing of those towns, and the plowing under of their farms... so that the 'new land' could be used by israelis....

And the palestinains were not settling that land, so why shoouldn't the Jews?

No, quite right, they weren't 'settling' the land... because they had lived there for a THOUSAND YEARS. We stole it from them, thats fact.


they have bombed themselves into poverty.

That is pure fantasy. Not even the members of my family that live in Israel think that. The israeli government has a systematic policy of destroying any enterprise that supports 'terrorism' Which means: ANY ARAB OWNED BUSINESS. Like, for instance, tearing up Olive groves that support whole neighborhoods as their ONLY means of making a living, turning off water and electricity to whole towns for weeks on end, etc. etc etc

Ever try and run a business, and I mean ANY business without electricity? or water? or the legal right or means to pave the fucking roads?

Responsible for their own poverty? Pure Bullshit.



Israel, should and will continue to exist.

Oh, nice. Of course it should exist, as an ARAB/JEWISH state. Continue? of course, who is going to change THAT with nukes and the best trained army in the world with their fingers on the trigger?
 
glennds said:
chances are the jews will not systematically round up and kill 6 million palestinians. they will not tear them our of their homes, shove them in a ghetto, ship them off to a concentration camp and gas them to death.

paid in full how? giving them back their dead parents and children?

can anyone tell me how you could get 2 million people to jump into gas chambers?

with 200,000 nazis?

200,000 vs 2,000,000 um i think the odds were with the jews?

why did they just die like cowards?
 
UNITED NATIONS - Secretary-General Kofi Annan (news - web sites) said Friday that Israel is violating a General Assembly resolution to halt construction of barrier that juts into the West Bank and to dismantle the 90-mile section already built.


In a report to the assembly, Annan said the barrier — a network of fences, walls, razor wire and trenches — violates international law and "could damage the longer-term prospects for peace," including those offered by the U.S.-backed "road map" plan.

Summing it up - Isreal is WRONG!
 
[email][email protected][/email] said:
UNITED NATIONS - Secretary-General Kofi Annan (news - web sites) said Friday that Israel is violating a General Assembly resolution to halt construction of barrier that juts into the West Bank and to dismantle the 90-mile section already built.


In a report to the assembly, Annan said the barrier — a network of fences, walls, razor wire and trenches — violates international law and "could damage the longer-term prospects for peace," including those offered by the U.S.-backed "road map" plan.

Summing it up - Isreal is WRONG!

heh, hes right!
 
BO-DEN said:


can anyone tell me how you could get 2 million people to jump into gas chambers?

with 200,000 nazis?

200,000 vs 2,000,000 um i think the odds were with the jews?

why did they just die like cowards?

How did you get millions of blacks to work the fields for a handful of white people?
 
pharmguy said:


Ladie's and Gentlemen

Farakhan!!!!!!!


Lewis isn'tt it?????

WRONG!!

you know every time someone says anything against your big nose country

either hitler or farakhan is spewed

my name in BO-DEN

and i hate you probably just as much as those other guys
 
BO-DEN said:


WRONG!!

you know every time someone says anything against your big nose country

either hitler or farakhan is spewed

my name in BO-DEN

and i hate you probably just as much as those other guys

How did you get all those blacks to work the fields for just a few white people?
 
ChefWide said:


You know what, I am damn proud to be who I am, and just as proud of what I am not:

I am NOT someone who will sit idly by while people of my same cultural background talk shit to try and rationalize murder and racism in the name of Israel. Try defending the bullshit in your post, or shut the fuck up already.

Try re-reading my post where I tore your crap to shreds and either defend your lies or be recognized as the dickless idiot you are:



I was raised as a jew and its totally uniformed rants like yours that make jews look not only stupid but racist. Zionism IS racism. Pure and simple, we might have had a chance at asserting a 'right' to SHARING that land in 1948, but we have displaced these people because the general concensus by the European jews, the christian brits and christian americans at that time was that arabs were shit and had no rights... oops... the same attitude that we have today!

Only until the late 80's when they decided to fight the settlement policy with bombs was there a problem.

Emotion is good. Knowing your history would be better... THE LATE '80s??? How the fuck did you erase the murder of the Israeli olympic team by PLO members in 1972? Or Yassar the Muderers goons blowing up airliners? Or the massacre of palestinian women and children by Sharon and his goons in 1982 at Sabra and Shatilla?

Look, the PLO and all its ghoulish offspring are murderers and criminals and Yassar Arafat belongs in prison or better yet, swinging from a rope... RIGHT NEXT TO ARIEL SHARON! If there was a hell, which there isnt, they would both have places reserved for eternity in the torments of doom.



It was desert. The jews once again made something from nothing, and the palestinain arabs decided it should be theirs.


No one with the smallest clue thinks that to be in same fucking time zone as correct. Ben Gurion and Golda Meir (whom I met, and my folks knew) both thought of all arabs as fast breeding rats and said on more than one public occasion that the arab 'problem' had to be decicively dealt with... It was Menachem Begin and the early Haganna that helped in the systematic expulsion of Palestinians from their towns, the bulldozing of those towns, and the plowing under of their farms... so that the 'new land' could be used by israelis....

And the palestinains were not settling that land, so why shoouldn't the Jews?

No, quite right, they weren't 'settling' the land... because they had lived there for a THOUSAND YEARS. We stole it from them, thats fact.


they have bombed themselves into poverty.

That is pure fantasy. Not even the members of my family that live in Israel think that. The israeli government has a systematic policy of destroying any enterprise that supports 'terrorism' Which means: ANY ARAB OWNED BUSINESS. Like, for instance, tearing up Olive groves that support whole neighborhoods as their ONLY means of making a living, turning off water and electricity to whole towns for weeks on end, etc. etc etc

Ever try and run a business, and I mean ANY business without electricity? or water? or the legal right or means to pave the fucking roads?

Responsible for their own poverty? Pure Bullshit.



Israel, should and will continue to exist.

Oh, nice. Of course it should exist, as an ARAB/JEWISH state. Continue? of course, who is going to change THAT with nukes and the best trained army in the world with their fingers on the trigger?


Ill give you this, I will agree to disagree. I see your point, and I see mine.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
How did you get all those blacks to work the fields for just a few white people?

working isnt dealth broly

if you watched your people walking into an oven to your death wouldnt you at least try and fight your way out.


there were uprisings and escapes all the time in slavery
 
BO-DEN said:


working isnt dealth broly

if you watched your people walking into an oven to your death wouldnt you at least try and fight your way out.


there were uprisings and escapes all the time in slavery

Yes, the glamorous life of a slave. ever been to a plantation and seen how 10 blacks were crammed into a 70 square foot room? Must have been great, huh?


Anyway, most of the Jews were initially brought to work camps (The slogan at Auschwitz: "Work is liberty".) Only as the war progressed did the slaughter acutally begin, and by then they were already captured.

Once the word got out, there were Jews who fought back all the time.

You really don't know a lot about history, doyou? it;s Ok, most people don't. You finish high school?
 
Its a waste of time to try to explain to this hate monger. And don't demean yourself by attacking his race with the slavery analogy, just let this ignorant fool rant. That would be insulting to the other good balck bro's on this board
 
Following MTSW's logic, he's negro from the waist down and jewish from the waist up.

However, neither one of those are a race, so he must consider himself white at "heart"

Interesing combo.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:


Yes, the glamorous life of a slave. ever been to a plantation and seen how 10 blacks were crammed into a 70 square foot room? Must have been great, huh?


Anyway, most of the Jews were initially brought to work camps (The slogan at Auschwitz: "Work is liberty".) Only as the war progressed did the slaughter acutally begin, and by then they were already captured.

Once the word got out, there were Jews who fought back all the time.

You really don't know a lot about history, doyou? it;s Ok, most people don't. You finish high school?

acually yes. did you?

and what you learn in text books and on the news shouldnt be taken as law. text books have said plenty of contriditory things over time. so what you learned is simply differant then what i have learned.

and no matter the education of anyone here or anywere the truth is that israel is WRONG! they are still using ww2 as ethical grounds to do what ever they feel like and as soon as you dont agree with there belifes you are a hitler or a farakahan
 
BO-DEN said:


can anyone tell me how you could get 2 million people to jump into gas chambers?

with 200,000 nazis?

200,000 vs 2,000,000 um i think the odds were with the jews?

why did they just die like cowards?

maybe because the nazis had guns dumbass.
 
glennds said:


maybe because the nazis had guns dumbass.

thats a given smartass

but the numbers are so radical that over running guards would have been possible..... then they would have guns.

if you gunna go out ...go out fighting
 
I wasn't there, but I'm sure they didn't gas the whole lot of them at the same time, at the same camp.

BO-DEN said:


thats a given smartass

but the numbers are so radical that over running guards would have been possible..... then they would have guns.

if you gunna go out ...go out fighting
 
Let me tell everyone how sick I am of groups brining up shit they only read about in books?

Today at the request of groups in California, they are requesting that computer manufactures stop using the term “slave and master”. You got to be fucking kidding me.

Show me one black that was in the plantation fields. That is the ONLY black that can gripe about anything. The rest bitch and complain because there is some pathetic guilt ridden democrat with a dollar in his hand outstretched. Every other ethnic group came here and worked up in a generation or two. I know that the black did not come here willingly but that is no excuse for them taking 10 generations and they still can’t get it together.

The Jewish population has been bitching and screaming since Ramsey tied them up. They got hell in WW2, I agree. But so did Poland, Czechoslovakia, Greece, and other surrounding countries. They all lost SUBSTANTIAL amounts of people. Who is still crying and telling everyone that they are picked on and abused?

You have to ask yourself WHY certain people are always getting picked on? It’s the old saying of if one person tells you that you are drunk tell him to go to hell. If ten people tell you that you are dunk it’s time to go home and go to sleep.

The “chosen” people? Are you kidding me? It’s that kind of 2000 year old thinking that had the crusaders running all through Europe. Now they have nukes. Yea, real smart thing to let them have. I think the world would be safer if they had only rocks and sticks. Unfortunately the United States uses them for stability in the area.

The time has far passed for them to integrate and yet hold their heritage. If they (all of the races) refuse to then they can only blame themselves for their own destruction. The world will NOT hold still for the few that sit and sob. Thank god Darwin’s theory still holds…
 
[email][email protected][/email] said:
The time has far passed for them to integrate and yet hold their heritage. If they (all of the races) refuse to then they can only blame themselves for their own destruction. The world will NOT hold still for the few that sit and sob. Thank god Darwin’s theory still holds…

Since they don't have genetically similar characteristics (i.e. hair color, eye color, or skin tone)

They can't be called a race (according to certain people)

Wait a sec.... Similar.... Hmm....
 
[email][email protected][/email] said:

Today at the request of groups in California, they are requesting that computer manufactures stop using the term “slave and master”. You got to be fucking kidding me.

Welcome to last week.
Have a nice nap?
 
[email][email protected][/email] said:


Show me one black that was in the plantation fields. That is the ONLY black that can gripe about anything. The rest bitch and complain because there is some pathetic guilt ridden democrat with a dollar in his hand outstretched. Every other ethnic group came here and worked up in a generation or two. I know that the black did not come here willingly but that is no excuse for them taking 10 generations and they still can’t get it together.

I agree with that one.



The Jewish population has been bitching and screaming since Ramsey tied them up. They got hell in WW2, I agree. But so did Poland, Czechoslovakia, Greece, and other surrounding countries. They all lost SUBSTANTIAL amounts of people. Who is still crying and telling everyone that they are picked on and abused?

Meanwhile, Jews are all over the Forbes 400 list, (35 of them I think), and have become successful in numerous indistries. People even accuse them of "running the country" and lists abound of Jews who have risen to senior levels of US government. Seems like they are doing more than just bitching.


You have to ask yourself WHY certain people are always getting picked on? It’s the old saying of if one person tells you that you are drunk tell him to go to hell. If ten people tell you that you are dunk it’s time to go home and go to sleep.

Both jews and blacks have always been a convenient target for groups in power...the Jews post re-unification of Rome and throght the european Holy Roman empire, (Court Jews, feudalism, etc) and the blacks since the second they were freed. A lot of the anti-drug and alocohl legislation of the early 1900's was passed on the grounds that "crazy negroes under the influence were a threat to civilized people everyhwere". Really.

Scapegoating is hardly a new phenomenon, and if history has shownus anything it is that peopl eneed to conform and minorties will always get picked on.


The “chosen” people? Are you kidding me? It’s that kind of 2000 year old thinking that had the crusaders running all through Europe. Now they have nukes. Yea, real smart thing to let them have. I think the world would be safer if they had only rocks and sticks. Unfortunately the United States uses them for stability in the area.

Actually it was Muslims in the "Holy Land" that had the Crusaders running through Europe. The more things change, the more they stay the same, huh?

The Jewish idea of "chosen" doesvnot mean that they are better than everyone else. In fact, the Jewish religion is the only one among the 3 major monotheistic religions that allows for non-Jews to be resurrected when God comes to Earth.

Christianity and Islam far more propagate the idea of "chosen" or exclusivity by encourgauing conversion. Try telling a Christian or Muslim that a non Christian or Muslim can be saved. They'll mock you and then start preaching. A jew will agree if you say non-Jews can see God.



The time has far passed for them to integrate and yet hold their heritage. If they (all of the races) refuse to then they can only blame themselves for their own destruction. The world will NOT hold still for the few that sit and sob. Thank god Darwin’s theory still holds…

Since the Jews are the oldest continually surviving group on earth today, I don't know what the Darwin point was, except perhaps to show that groups have have shit on the Jews have always disappeared or lost power??




You really typed a lot of ignorance. The only possible conclusions one could draw from reading that post is that you don't know anything at all abouthistory and you are content to live in a bubble of your own making.

Don't feel bad, that's most people. You have lots of company.
 
[email][email protected][/email] said:
Sorry, my life isn't sitting on the PC reading EF posts. See the sun lately?


You know, you and Code have a similar number of posts per day...higher than mine even, and I am mod.....but of course you have "better" things to do.
 
3 days a week I get $60 / hr to sit here and do this... I bet you do it for free...

Second, I expected an attack like this. It's called displacement. When something happens, in this case that you do not agree with or cannot control the outcome.


MattTheSkywalker said:


You know, you and Code have a similar number of posts per day...higher than mine even, and I am mod.....but of course you have "better" things to do.
 
Shit man, I have nothing better to do. I have 17 people at my house. 6 kids under age 5. I ain't going out there until the dust settles.

That said, I don't have the energy to dissect your last post, the one with the million quotes in it.

MattTheSkywalker said:


You know, you and Code have a similar number of posts per day...higher than mine even, and I am mod.....but of course you have "better" things to do.
 
I hear ya... I sit here sometimes for 10 hours without a damn thing to do. It's just as bad...

Code said:
Shit man, I have nothing better to do. I have 17 people at my house. 6 kids under age 5. I ain't going out there until the dust settles.
 
pharmguy said:
If only the Jews in WWII had BO-DEN to tell them that, they would have been so much better off! What a concept!


thaught we had a agreement fag

i wont reply to your post you dont reply to mine.
 
[email][email protected][/email] said:
3 days a week I get $60 / hr to sit here and do this... I bet you do it for free...

Second, I expected an attack like this. It's called displacement. When something happens, in this case that you do not agree with or cannot control the outcome.


I can piss further than you. :)

Honestly, I am at work now, but I don't have to wait for someone to pay me, it's my show. I need to see how many employees I have that I pay $60/hr. Off the top of my head, I can think of about 20....but what does any of that have to do with this on the board?

I come here because I am a long time friend of EF and GS and I do the mod thing for my friend.

if you continue to post ignorance about history I will continue to attack your posts. I'm not attacking you....you're probably a nice enough guy.

The idea that you expressed a complete misunderstanding both of the Crusades and of the idea of "chosen" conveys a low level understanding of those issues. It's no biggie - you probably know a lot more about IT than I do...
 
I'm on salary. Wish I was hourly. :rolleyes:

Not sure what 110k comes out to hourly, but I'm sure its less than what you make. The upside is, I live in a state that generally considers 65k rich.

BTW, Matt is like a baphillionaire. he prolly made more jerking off in the shower than both of us made all week.

[email][email protected][/email] said:
3 days a week I get $60 / hr to sit here and do this... I bet you do it for free...

Second, I expected an attack like this. It's called displacement. When something happens, in this case that you do not agree with or cannot control the outcome.


 
But can we agree that history leaves a very wide gap for interpretation and is very subjective because it was mostly written by the conquers?

Both sides claiming the other is ignorant may not be totally unthinkable.

Besides, give me $75 /hr and I’ll work for you! : ) I hate this fucking place and all the political BS. I hope that I can get this side business somewhere so I can drop this one.
 
[email][email protected][/email] said:
But can we agree that history leaves a very wide gap for interpretation and is very subjective because it was mostly written by the conquers?

Both sides claiming the other is ignorant may not be totally unthinkable.

Besides, give me $75 /hr and I’ll work for you! : ) I hate this fucking place and all the political BS. I hope that I can get this side business somewhere so I can drop this one.

Yeah history is interpretable and always written by the winners....I have been here a while and I am breaking balls....

I think you might enjoy the book "Cocaine: an Unauthorized Biography" by Dominic Streatfeild.

it's a history not written by the conquerors and it provides a lot of insight into contemporoary issues and their roots.

We are actually 100% on IT staff - part of the reason we moved out of NY was the prospect of paying NY salaries to IT people and lawyers - in Jacksonville you can pay 60% of the salary.....so I don;t think I can help you right now....
 
I am in NY. Working on Cisco shit since the AGS days. I remember when code 9 was released. Back then it was Cabletron and Synoptics. Either a Bay router or a small AGS. The rates I was offered was 3X NYPD pay and I jumped ship. Networking is damn easy, the politics is not.

I have some side shit going on as well. Since the job market got so tight I have been brokering positions to firms for a cut. Since I am in the field I know where and when spots open.

I also am building a home-based business. If you have come across my past post you probably have read about it. Breeding large parrots. Feed two birds, they lay 4 eggs, they raise them, you sell them for $800 each wholesale. Get enough birds and you don’t have to work. Just feed the birds. Putting the URL up here to let you take a peek is a little risky since it has too much info.

If you are working with Cisco then you know their stuff has turned to shit. Microsoft certifications are worthless. I can put it with my old CNE/MCNE/ECNE crap. My CCNP/CCDP and lab test cert is shit too. It’s all about whom you know now and getting protected.


MattTheSkywalker said:

We are actually 100% on IT staff - part of the reason we moved out of NY was the prospect of paying NY salaries to IT people and lawyers - in Jacksonville you can pay 60% of the salary.....so I don;t think I can help you right now....
 
[email][email protected][/email] said:
I am in NY. Working on Cisco shit since the AGS days. I remember when code 9 was released. Back then it was Cabletron and Synoptics. Either a Bay router or a small AGS. The rates I was offered was 3X NYPD pay and I jumped ship. Networking is damn easy, the politics is not.

I have some side shit going on as well. Since the job market got so tight I have been brokering positions to firms for a cut. Since I am in the field I know where and when spots open.

I also am building a home-based business. If you have come across my past post you probably have read about it. Breeding large parrots. Feed two birds, they lay 4 eggs, they raise them, you sell them for $800 each wholesale. Get enough birds and you don’t have to work. Just feed the birds. Putting the URL up here to let you take a peek is a little risky since it has too much info.

If you are working with Cisco then you know their stuff has turned to shit. Microsoft certifications are worthless. I can put it with my old CNE/MCNE/ECNE crap. My CCNP/CCDP and lab test cert is shit too. It’s all about whom you know now and getting protected.


I was a "cisco guy" for a while - CCNP....also had Microsft certs - this was likwe 1999-2000...tiems were just getign shitty. I got a job from a guy who was a CCIE (pretty low number, under 3000) after things went south he got some hourly jobs, and then was out of work. I think he actually went back to school....

I am in the insurance / litigation / outsourcing world now...much better.

Breeding large parrots? Interesting -
 
No license, just tolerance… They are smart. Smart enough to form simple thoughts and PLOT. This is amusement to them. Most that I have are equal in intelligence to a 3-4 year old.

If they see you walk into the bedroom they will mimic the phone to see you come running down the stairs. If they hear a sound and see that you are concerned about, they will wait and mimic it when you least expect it so they can get a show.

Because they understand cause and effect to a degree they will hear us yell at the dogs or cats, even other birds. They realize when someone/thing is screaming that you tell it to shut up. They also know what NO means.

Picture a nice sunny morning. Birds are screaming shut up at one another. The dog barks and another bird is yelling at the dog by name. Then another bird tells that one to shut up and the first bird yells back NO. This goes on for hours, the fighting and bickering between them. They also know the cats by name and call them. When they get in the room they remain silent until the cat walks away.

They do smell… Only when their cages are not kept up. Sonic breeze units are all over the house.


Code said:


You need a license for that?

Birds fucking smell, I'd have to breed 'em at work or something, cuz I can't stand the smell.
 
FUCK, add a four year old and that would get old quick.

Whats the gestation period of a large parrot? How much is upkeep of the 'parents'? Whats the gross after all is said and done?



[email][email protected][/email] said:
No license, just tolerance… They are smart. Smart enough to form simple thoughts and PLOT. This is amusement to them. Most that I have are equal in intelligence to a 3-4 year old.

If they see you walk into the bedroom they will mimic the phone to see you come running down the stairs. If they hear a sound and see that you are concerned about, they will wait and mimic it when you least expect it so they can get a show.

Because they understand cause and effect to a degree they will hear us yell at the dogs or cats, even other birds. They realize when someone/thing is screaming that you tell it to shut up. They also know what NO means.

Picture a nice sunny morning. Birds are screaming shut up at one another. The dog barks and another bird is yelling at the dog by name. Then another bird tells that one to shut up and the first bird yells back NO. This goes on for hours, the fighting and bickering between them. They also know the cats by name and call them. When they get in the room they remain silent until the cat walks away.

They do smell… Only when their cages are not kept up. Sonic breeze units are all over the house.


 
The food cost per bird would be my wife’s area.

Figure a pair of good breeders is about $3000-$4000 (amazons) for offspring you can sell for about $1000-$1300 each (wholesale). Optimally you would want about 10 babies per pair. Cage is about $700; food is $25 for 20 pounds. This is a special breeding pellet with tons of vitamins and minerals. The upfront investment is lost money. If you can afford to lay out the cash then do it and forget it. First year is considered a break even.

Some breeders are only $2500 per pair but you can only sell the offspring for about $800 wholesale. Smaller birds sell better because they are more affordable and not as intimidating. Conures are a big seller and they always sell. Pair of them (breeders) is about $600 and they sell for about $350 each wholesale. They also will lay up to 15 eggs per year.

To generalize all of them. Gestation is about a month. They can be ready to sell in about 2 months after that.

The up front costs are killing me. Breeding supplies, backup generators, and stuff I would never think of.

Breeders are not tame birds. They are wild and WILL take your finger off. You learn to be fast and watch them.

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Code said:
FUCK, add a four year old and that would get old quick.

Whats the gestation period of a large parrot? How much is upkeep of the 'parents'? Whats the gross after all is said and done?



 
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Too many! But I am still operating on a huge loss. I see three years out to start making profits. This is something long term, not to just make $ asap. Slow and steady...

Note pics above

Code said:
How many do you have breeding right now?
 
GoldenDelicious said:


yes well OK i respect your opinion, but still, if thats the attitude people ahve about the israelis then its only fair they have the same about the palestinians

"whatever it takes" fits the tactics of the suicide bombers quite well, thanks

and i respect your opinion.

my opinon is let em fight it out and get it over with. im tired of this shit. diplomacy will not work at this point. so let em fight.
 
DeepZenPill said:




Would we be so willing to accept a wall built around crime ridden American ghettos because crime and drugs spill out of those places into the surrounding areas? No, of course not. That would be discriminating against all blacks/hispanics/insert other minority who live in that area. Yes, terrorism is a problem that must be remedied, but targeting all Palestinians just feeds the problem. It gives the radical leaders more propaganda to feed to the impressionable youth that are wondering why they have to cross a wall to go to school.

uh, yes i would. i dont want criminals around me and if a wall would fix i'd help build pro-bono.
 
ChefWide said:




You are a Zionist.

If you believe any of what you were frothing on about in your first post, then stand up like a man and stick by it.

i am a zionist. kill alll them towel headed camel dick sucking backward asses.
 
Sad state of affairs.

GO New World Order GO..

I fuckin hate Isreal... or no, sorry, I just hate the war-mongers running the world.
 
yabbozabbo said:
Sad state of affairs.

GO New World Order GO..

I fuckin hate Isreal... or no, sorry, I just hate the war-mongers running the world.

we'll take canada and your oil if you dont like it.
 
Imagine if we stopped the hating, the greed and all the other crap and found a way to just got along. Imagine how much we as a whole could get accomplished. (like find a cure for the common cold) :D These freaking wars are retarded and makes our race look like a bunch of savages and complete morons.
 
fistfullofsteel said:
Imagine if we stopped the hating, the greed and all the other crap and found a way to just got along. Imagine how much we as a whole could get accomplished. (like find a cure for the common cold) :D These freaking wars are retarded and makes our race look like a bunch of savages and complete morons.

ok john moron lennon.
 
JUST FOR YOU!!!!

spongebob said:


ok john moron lennon.


Imagine there's no heaven.
It's easy if you try
No hell below us, above us only sky
Imagine all the people, living for today

Imagine there's no country. It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for and no religion, too
Imagine all the people, living life in peace

You may say I'm a dreamer but I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us and the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions. I wonder if you can
No need for greed, no hunger. A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people, sharing all the world

You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us and the world will live as one
 
canadianhitman said:
They need to add a buffer zone.....a double-walled system with dogs patrolling the space in between. And machine-gun towers at regular intervals. If I had those animals next door to me, I'd build a wall that would put the Berlin Wall to shame.

WORD
 
spongebob said:


and i respect your opinion.

my opinon is let em fight it out and get it over with. im tired of this shit. diplomacy will not work at this point. so let em fight.

i hate israel, but i think this would be for the best
 
jerkbox said:
or, "Mr. Sharon, can we borrow your wall?" and everyone can rejoice

that you on your profile? youre one ugly poor bastard
 
Israel is here to stay! And I cannot blame them for the way they act.

As for Anan, why would he know so much about the world. If he was so all knowing about the wall and peace why hasn't he creatd peace in the Middle East already?
 
Code said:
Specious statement at best.


Hitler's hate for jews arose out of the bank run the jews did in germany after WWI, thus bankrupting the country.



Code im not dissing your point directly, but all those guys who are talking about jews.
Do you even know the real reason why people hated the jews in europe? Is anyone here a first gen immigrant from germany, poland or surronding areas?

If you are you may know that the jews treated everyone like shit. They had all the money, gave no respect to others, exploited the rest of the population for cheap labour. Native poles were treated like shit by the jews. Same with the germans.

Too bad you never hear about the people the jews fucked with in history class. Mostly because the US is a zionist nation as was mentioned before. Take a trip around that part of the world, talk to the people. See what they say, youll hear some pretty horrible stories
 
SlavikHavik said:

Too bad you never hear about the people the jews fucked with in history class. Mostly because the US is a zionist nation as was mentioned before. Take a trip around that part of the world, talk to the people. See what they say, youll hear some pretty horrible stories

From the people around the word who were 50 or older they had nothing good to say about them as a whole. This includes mostly Poles, Russians, and Chezs. I would not ask an Arab. I wouldn't want 1000 reasons in under 30 seconds.
 
just because a lot of people say something doesnt mean its true

one thing i have to say about jews throughout history, is that, in my opinion, they have segregated themselves as a society

fact is not many jew easily assimilate, and their frugal economic drive created a class distinction which is unpalatable to other ethnic groups

this is a generalisation i must say but the point is valid. i have several jewish friends and they choose which businesses/shops to buy from based on race. they jews support each other (a good thing) but in so doing, seperate themselves from 'everybody else'

then you get racial segregation which also has economic implications, resentment builds up, and you get a shit storm

just my personal observation please dont flame, i cant be bothered replying to them
 
SlavikHavik said:


Too bad you never hear about the people the jews fucked with in history class.

Like the way they are currently enacting their own genocidal war on the palestinians.
 
SlavikHavik said:


Code im not dissing your point directly, but all those guys who are talking about jews.
Do you even know the real reason why people hated the jews in europe? Is anyone here a first gen immigrant from germany, poland or surronding areas?

If you are you may know that the jews treated everyone like shit. They had all the money, gave no respect to others, exploited the rest of the population for cheap labour. Native poles were treated like shit by the jews. Same with the germans.

Too bad you never hear about the people the jews fucked with in history class. Mostly because the US is a zionist nation as was mentioned before. Take a trip around that part of the world, talk to the people. See what they say, youll hear some pretty horrible stories


Jews this and JEws that.

Even if Some Jews did this and some Jews did that, does that mean you should hate all jews? Or exterminate all of them? Shit thi is such ingnorant racist propoganda. and what you say in your post is bullshit anyways, poor people always hate people who are successful and Jews have ytraditionally been good merchants and not through bad business practices either. Arabs have also been very good merchants through out the ages, they have not ventured into europe as far as the jews however until recently. And when other people were poor, they looked at the jews and said its their fault, bottome line the end. A big part of the reason the jews were successful is they were close nit and supported each other where other people did not. Hell many of the WWII victims were WWI war hero's, they could not beleive what was happening to them. They were as much German as
they were jew.



one thing i have to say about jews throughout history, is that, in my opinion, they have segregated themselves as a society

This was very true, not so true anymore, it is hard to tell who is Jewish and who is not, the Nazi's would have a much harder time today figuring out who to send where. But this did indeed creat a lot of feelings of hatred toward the Jews throughout history. IMO a fault of the jews, but not deserving of the treatment they eventually received.
 
Jews with their big noses, bah. they smell and stuff. And I heard they keep their socks on when having sex can you believe that they are so gross
 
pharmguy don't even try to reason with guys like slavik. slavik probably does NOTHING and has never enjoyed any success so goes around blaming other people for his own shortcomings. that is typical racist mentality. you cannot change it.

this thread has become increasingly disturbing. i wish the mods would close it.
 
SlavikHavik said:


If you are you may know that the jews treated everyone like shit. They had all the money, gave no respect to others, exploited the rest of the population for cheap labour. Native poles were treated like shit by the jews. Same with the germans.

Too bad you never hear about the people the jews fucked with in history class. Mostly because the US is a zionist nation as was mentioned before. Take a trip around that part of the world, talk to the people. See what they say, youll hear some pretty horrible stories

This is crazy talk. It must be a strange phenomenon to walk through life clueless,

My Mom was born in Germany. My grandmother grew up in the 1920 and 30's in Germany. She lived it. I have dfiscussed the German perspective in WW2 with her at length.

All you are doing is perpetuating stereotypes that came around about the time of the Inquisition.
 
chesty said:
Israel is here to stay! And I cannot blame them for the way they act.

Israel exists at the whim of the SOLE nation that supports it, the US. The second US citizens find out the real atrocities that Ariel Sharon and the mossad have done (and continue to do), and public opinion goes South, we will withdraw our support.

1-5 years later, the surrounding middle eastern nations will draw ranks and remove them forcibly.
 
SlavikHavik said:


Code im not dissing your point directly, but all those guys who are talking about jews.
Do you even know the real reason why people hated the jews in europe? Is anyone here a first gen immigrant from germany, poland or surronding areas?

If you are you may know that the jews treated everyone like shit. They had all the money, gave no respect to others, exploited the rest of the population for cheap labour. Native poles were treated like shit by the jews. Same with the germans.

Too bad you never hear about the people the jews fucked with in history class. Mostly because the US is a zionist nation as was mentioned before. Take a trip around that part of the world, talk to the people. See what they say, youll hear some pretty horrible stories

I don't even know where to begin. You spout mindless racist shit: Jews WERE native poles and native Germans, as well as native Russians and native Slavs. Why don't you ask them about the pogroms? And when has ANY controlling or ruling class EVER been touted as 'fair' or recognized as having treated the 'workers' with fairness and respect? The Romanovs? The Habsburgs? The Wallachians? The Husites? Morovians? Carolingians?

If you are uneducated and kept that way by your religion, as most Christians were (keeps the learned priests in charge, you see) of course you would be working for Jews, educated in mathematics and reading/writing as a matter of religious rule. Don't blame the Jews because your ancestors were subjugated by their own ignorant, totalitarian religion, blame YOUR church.



Any segment of society that is in the merchant class that can be classified as this or that has been the target of the huddled masses since humans started congregating in cities.

Damn, it never ceases to amaze me that the more racist the comment, the more ignorant of history the commentator. Never fails.

Racism=stupidity.
 
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