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Charles Poliquin VS Ian King...
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Neither. They both perpetuate the same tired volume splits. They try hard as hell to hide this though, by making every exercise as awkward as possible, using strange tempos (different on every exercises) and idiotic practices such as splitting quads and hams into 2 different days (how much more volume-oriented can you get than that?)
Basically, they try to make their ridiculous routines look cutting edge and scientific. In reality, they are neither.
Basically, they try to make their ridiculous routines look cutting edge and scientific. In reality, they are neither.
Thaibox
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You're a little on the light side. You've got a LOT of work ahead of you brosseos said:
I like Poliquin, but I have to agree with debaser. It's 2003. There is so much new knowledge and people in this sport, it would be foolish to limit yourself to two methods to choose from. Just looking around these boards you'll learn about many newer styles of training that have seen great success.
Also,
I would buy "Sweat Into the Oldies, vol I and II" before I'd buy Montana's book
oh ,sorry for the typo.. that was 150 pounds
thaibox:
i know that you are propably right about the method choosing,
but the problem is that there is so much information out there about bodybuilding training methods and nutrition that can confuse a "beginner-intermediate" like me.
I too am looking for the perfect program and every bodybuilder out there teaches his own method. I narrowed the many methods of training to these 2 coaches, beacause they are highly regarded and respectable in the bodybuilding community.
Montana, DC and so many other bodybuilders teach methods that for my opinion are not so beginner friendly.
The only thing I take is a protein and multivitamin supplement, so I consider Poliquin and King as more "pure" sources of training, as I am not expert in this field.
I don't know if you understand what I'm saying here and I hope it makes sense. But I'm also very open minded and I 'm always looking for advice from the wiser people.
Now I'm on the 3rd week of my 10-week size surge routine from ironman and I want this time to finish a routine. I always surf in the internet and I quit a routine when I find another that looks scientifically better or promises more results. But after that 10 week of the size surge routine, I want to be able to choose a method that suits for me and makes the best results.
thaibox:
i know that you are propably right about the method choosing,
but the problem is that there is so much information out there about bodybuilding training methods and nutrition that can confuse a "beginner-intermediate" like me.
I too am looking for the perfect program and every bodybuilder out there teaches his own method. I narrowed the many methods of training to these 2 coaches, beacause they are highly regarded and respectable in the bodybuilding community.
Montana, DC and so many other bodybuilders teach methods that for my opinion are not so beginner friendly.
The only thing I take is a protein and multivitamin supplement, so I consider Poliquin and King as more "pure" sources of training, as I am not expert in this field.
I don't know if you understand what I'm saying here and I hope it makes sense. But I'm also very open minded and I 'm always looking for advice from the wiser people.
Now I'm on the 3rd week of my 10-week size surge routine from ironman and I want this time to finish a routine. I always surf in the internet and I quit a routine when I find another that looks scientifically better or promises more results. But after that 10 week of the size surge routine, I want to be able to choose a method that suits for me and makes the best results.
BigBadBootyDaddy29
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Your name is tight as hell. You'll find that everyone preaches his/her own ideas when you begin reading training literature, and it can be really frustrating until you come to the realization that everything works for somebody for a certain amount of time. There is no "perfect" routine. You need to find what works for you, it may be part Poliquin, part King, part something else.....yu need to experimen through trial and error to see what works best, and when the day comes when that stops working (and it will) you need to do some more experimenting.....Find the Oddysseas method so to speak.....Personally I don't like things too complicated and the most I stray from "basic" is box squats. I think Bill Starr is bomb. I trained that way through college for football and I still do and the results are awesome, for me that is......I did have to do some tweaking to suit my strengths and weaknesses, but I think Starr style training is the best for me, he writes a weekly column for Ironman and has some books out, if you'reunfamiliar wit hhis, I can post some things, he prescribes high volume to condtion, low reps to strengthen, back off sets and assistance for hypertrophy, and a mixture of powerlifting, olympiclifting, and bodybuilding movements for an overall package.
BigBadBootyDaddy29:
I'm interested in this Bill Starr. I heard his name before. Can you post some info about his training method?
And one more thing. What is your opinion for the material that Ironman has on his webpage? I mean his training methods and nutrition information.
I like what he preaches, but I don't hear much about Steve Holman in this forum.
What do you think of Steve Holman?
I'm interested in this Bill Starr. I heard his name before. Can you post some info about his training method?
And one more thing. What is your opinion for the material that Ironman has on his webpage? I mean his training methods and nutrition information.
I like what he preaches, but I don't hear much about Steve Holman in this forum.
What do you think of Steve Holman?
BigBadBootyDaddy29
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Here is some Bill Starr Info....
check it out, if you have any questions e-mail me at [email protected] I have trained based on Bill Starr's principles for years........If you check out my post called going back to what works, or some shit like that, I forget, I just put it up today, I am posting my workouts on Starr's summer pre-season workout he used a lot at Hopkins.
http://www.jhu.edu/~gazette/julsep97/sep2297/starr.html
http://pub26.ezboard.com/foldschoolstrengthtraining70757frm3.showMessage?topicID=141.topic (this one deals with programs for olympic lifting)
http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=159883&highlight=Bill+Starr
Starr knows his shit with nutrition and vitamin intake, a lot of what he says is stuff people should just do,like bring a few t shirts to the gym because after you squat who the hell wants to lay on an incline bench with a soaking wet shirt......things like that
As far as Steve Hollmon, I think he is a guy who took what he had genetically and made the most of his body....he is a guy who "wanted it"......As far as his training, I think it will work for a while, but it seems to complicate things a bit much for the sake of just writing something "fresh"....I never followed size surge or anything because it is geared more towards bodybuilding than strength training, but he mixes a good amount of volume with ha good amount of HIT, so you're guaranteed to stumble across something that will make you grow, his articles are good for guys who have trouble putting weight on because Hollmon himself is a hardgainer and serves as inspiration.....a lot of the size surge stuff works because of the emphasis on orm, hich a lot of trainees ignore til they read Hollmon and realize how to do the exercises deliberately, this yields an explosion of size at first.
Anymore questions or those links act up on you, just let me know.
check it out, if you have any questions e-mail me at [email protected] I have trained based on Bill Starr's principles for years........If you check out my post called going back to what works, or some shit like that, I forget, I just put it up today, I am posting my workouts on Starr's summer pre-season workout he used a lot at Hopkins.
http://www.jhu.edu/~gazette/julsep97/sep2297/starr.html
http://pub26.ezboard.com/foldschoolstrengthtraining70757frm3.showMessage?topicID=141.topic (this one deals with programs for olympic lifting)
http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=159883&highlight=Bill+Starr
Starr knows his shit with nutrition and vitamin intake, a lot of what he says is stuff people should just do,like bring a few t shirts to the gym because after you squat who the hell wants to lay on an incline bench with a soaking wet shirt......things like that
As far as Steve Hollmon, I think he is a guy who took what he had genetically and made the most of his body....he is a guy who "wanted it"......As far as his training, I think it will work for a while, but it seems to complicate things a bit much for the sake of just writing something "fresh"....I never followed size surge or anything because it is geared more towards bodybuilding than strength training, but he mixes a good amount of volume with ha good amount of HIT, so you're guaranteed to stumble across something that will make you grow, his articles are good for guys who have trouble putting weight on because Hollmon himself is a hardgainer and serves as inspiration.....a lot of the size surge stuff works because of the emphasis on orm, hich a lot of trainees ignore til they read Hollmon and realize how to do the exercises deliberately, this yields an explosion of size at first.
Anymore questions or those links act up on you, just let me know.
collegiateLifter
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Bill Starr is/was a vegetarian. I wouldn't recomend that to anyone trying to get bigger
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