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Charles Poliquin VS Ian King...

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sseos

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Hello guys:)
I am a new member to this site.
My name is Odysseas, I am 19 years old (in a few feeks i become 20 :) ) , I'm 5 7' and I weigh 15 pounds. I come from Cyprus, but now I study Media Technology in Germany.
The past few weeks I visit this site and it has been very helpful to me. I was always doing sports in my life like tae kwon do, swimming, thai boxing, breakdance and the same time resistance training.
But the past 6 months i took bodybuilding much more seriously.
I try to eat 6 meals a day, workout 3 days per week, cardio 1 day per week , and I 'm looking for gaining mass.
Now enough about my self. I'm sure you are getting bored. Let's get to the meat.
I read much in testosterone.net for Charles Poliquin and Ian King and I want to follow a routine by one of these two. I've found an ebook writen by Will Brink called 'Muscle building Nutrition' where Charles POliquin wrote a chapter about his Principles and sample mass programs. On the other side there is Ian King with his Get Buffed book which I also heard that is great.
I am between these two books and basically I have to decide whether I follow Charles Poliquin's or Ian KIng's mass routine.
Is there a way to tell which coach is the best?
I know, they are both great, but I am a bit of a perfectionist and I want to have your opinions.
Whose book should I buy or whose routine should I follow?
I will really appreciate it if you give your thoughts on this.

ciao!


P.S: How can I post pictures of me to tell me your opinion?
 
1) Your parents gave you an excellent name, phile.

2) Go with Poliquin. I find his book, The Poliquin Principles, to be a good choice, and I consider Poliquin a better authority than King.

Yassou.
 
Can you, or somebody, give a breakdown of their ideas? (Sorry, don't own the books)

-casualbb
 
casualbb said:
Can you, or somebody, give a breakdown of their ideas? (Sorry, don't own the books)

-casualbb
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I doubt I could boil it down to a post. Many of their articles are are available at T-mag, though, in the back issues.

I forget how much the books have cost me, but they were purchased at Barnes & Noble.
 
try the bodybuilding truth by nelson montana.

exellent material except for the chapter on clomid which i didnt exactly agree on.
 
satchboogie said:
try the bodybuilding truth by nelson montana.

exellent material except for the chapter on clomid which i didnt exactly agree on.
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I'd suggest Bryan Haycock's HST over Nelson Montana's anything.

www.hypertrophy-specific.com

I'd pick Poliquin over Nelson as well.
 
My only issue with Poliquin is he tends to have women do "girlie" exercises. Women can train in the same manner as men; we don't need to do stupid exercises like cable kickbacks.
 
Thanks for your answers, but I would like even more opinions.
So, I have an idea. Let's make this a poll!:D

Which coaches' routines are you following?

1) Charles Poliquin
2) Ian King
 
Thanks for your answers, but I would like even more opinions.
So, I have an idea. Let's make this a poll!:D

Which coaches' routines are you following?

1) Charles Poliquin
2) Ian King
 
Neither. They both perpetuate the same tired volume splits. They try hard as hell to hide this though, by making every exercise as awkward as possible, using strange tempos (different on every exercises) and idiotic practices such as splitting quads and hams into 2 different days (how much more volume-oriented can you get than that?)

Basically, they try to make their ridiculous routines look cutting edge and scientific. In reality, they are neither.
 
sseos said:
I'm 5 7' and I weigh 15 pounds.
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You're a little on the light side. You've got a LOT of work ahead of you bro:)

I like Poliquin, but I have to agree with debaser. It's 2003. There is so much new knowledge and people in this sport, it would be foolish to limit yourself to two methods to choose from. Just looking around these boards you'll learn about many newer styles of training that have seen great success.


Also,
I would buy "Sweat Into the Oldies, vol I and II" before I'd buy Montana's book
 
oh ,sorry for the typo.. that was 150 pounds:o

thaibox:
i know that you are propably right about the method choosing,
but the problem is that there is so much information out there about bodybuilding training methods and nutrition that can confuse a "beginner-intermediate" like me.
I too am looking for the perfect program and every bodybuilder out there teaches his own method. I narrowed the many methods of training to these 2 coaches, beacause they are highly regarded and respectable in the bodybuilding community.
Montana, DC and so many other bodybuilders teach methods that for my opinion are not so beginner friendly.
The only thing I take is a protein and multivitamin supplement, so I consider Poliquin and King as more "pure" sources of training, as I am not expert in this field.
I don't know if you understand what I'm saying here and I hope it makes sense. But I'm also very open minded and I 'm always looking for advice from the wiser people.
Now I'm on the 3rd week of my 10-week size surge routine from ironman and I want this time to finish a routine. I always surf in the internet and I quit a routine when I find another that looks scientifically better or promises more results. But after that 10 week of the size surge routine, I want to be able to choose a method that suits for me and makes the best results.
 
Understood man. They both offer good solid programs. I think its going to just come down to what you prefer. Good luck with it, and welcome to the board by the way.
 
Your name is tight as hell. You'll find that everyone preaches his/her own ideas when you begin reading training literature, and it can be really frustrating until you come to the realization that everything works for somebody for a certain amount of time. There is no "perfect" routine. You need to find what works for you, it may be part Poliquin, part King, part something else.....yu need to experimen through trial and error to see what works best, and when the day comes when that stops working (and it will) you need to do some more experimenting.....Find the Oddysseas method so to speak.....Personally I don't like things too complicated and the most I stray from "basic" is box squats. I think Bill Starr is bomb. I trained that way through college for football and I still do and the results are awesome, for me that is......I did have to do some tweaking to suit my strengths and weaknesses, but I think Starr style training is the best for me, he writes a weekly column for Ironman and has some books out, if you'reunfamiliar wit hhis, I can post some things, he prescribes high volume to condtion, low reps to strengthen, back off sets and assistance for hypertrophy, and a mixture of powerlifting, olympiclifting, and bodybuilding movements for an overall package.
 
BigBadBootyDaddy29:
I'm interested in this Bill Starr. I heard his name before. Can you post some info about his training method?
And one more thing. What is your opinion for the material that Ironman has on his webpage? I mean his training methods and nutrition information.
I like what he preaches, but I don't hear much about Steve Holman in this forum.
What do you think of Steve Holman?
 
Here is some Bill Starr Info....
check it out, if you have any questions e-mail me at [email protected] I have trained based on Bill Starr's principles for years........If you check out my post called going back to what works, or some shit like that, I forget, I just put it up today, I am posting my workouts on Starr's summer pre-season workout he used a lot at Hopkins.


http://www.jhu.edu/~gazette/julsep97/sep2297/starr.html

http://pub26.ezboard.com/foldschoolstrengthtraining70757frm3.showMessage?topicID=141.topic (this one deals with programs for olympic lifting)

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=159883&highlight=Bill+Starr


Starr knows his shit with nutrition and vitamin intake, a lot of what he says is stuff people should just do,like bring a few t shirts to the gym because after you squat who the hell wants to lay on an incline bench with a soaking wet shirt......things like that

As far as Steve Hollmon, I think he is a guy who took what he had genetically and made the most of his body....he is a guy who "wanted it"......As far as his training, I think it will work for a while, but it seems to complicate things a bit much for the sake of just writing something "fresh"....I never followed size surge or anything because it is geared more towards bodybuilding than strength training, but he mixes a good amount of volume with ha good amount of HIT, so you're guaranteed to stumble across something that will make you grow, his articles are good for guys who have trouble putting weight on because Hollmon himself is a hardgainer and serves as inspiration.....a lot of the size surge stuff works because of the emphasis on orm, hich a lot of trainees ignore til they read Hollmon and realize how to do the exercises deliberately, this yields an explosion of size at first.

Anymore questions or those links act up on you, just let me know.
 
collegiateLifter said:
Bill Starr is/was a vegetarian. I wouldn't recomend that to anyone trying to get bigger
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You're thinking of Bill Pearl.

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Bill Starr is the best coach brought up on this thread, IMO.

Phile, go with BigBadBootyDaddy29's suggestions. Great stuff. :)
 
YES, Bill Pearl became a vegetarian, but that was waaaay after his prime and due to health reasons....Starr recommends eating steaks, about the only thing Starr and Pearl have in common is they share the same first name......I am not flaming you collegiate lifter, but next time you post something, please make sure you have all the facts.
 
BigBadBootyDaddy29:
Thanks for the information about Bill Starr.
But about what I've read, the training he teaches is more for football players and football players are tall and BIG.
On the other side I am i a bit on the short side (5' 8") and I weigh way more less thatn football players.
Are his training methods also tried and appled by hardgainers?
I don't know if I can consider myself really a hardgainer. I am not tall and I 'm not thin and ripped either. The problem is I have problem gaining weight. I eat more than my older brother who is also training with weights and I am nowhere as big as he is.
If I would describe my bodytype, I would say I'm a mesomorph with ectomorph characteristics. Does this make sense?
 
Sseos, Bill Starr's 5x5 can be applied to any healthy person, no matter what their bodytype is. I am an ectomorph, and I responded very well to 5x5 in the past. I am friends with an endomorph and a mesomorph, and they both also made good gains on the cyclical 5x5. It provides a perfect mix of strength, power, and size, and it will allow you to experience how interrelated those aspects of adaptation to training can be with the proper program.

:)
 
Yeah, bro.....the 5x5 can benefit a hard gainer....and Starr modified a lot of his programs for wrestlers who had to remain in a certain weight class because that type of training causes rapid increases in bodyweight......needsize has a 5x5 thread on here geared towards bodybuilding and hypertrophy, which I think is an excellent post.....if you want som other sample stuff let me know what you want to focus on, exercises you feel work for you and ones you don't like, your strengths and weanesses....just post it up, or PM or email me at [email protected].
 
BigBadBootyDaddy29:
Thanks for your interest in making me huge:)
I read the post of Needsize about 5x5 and I found it very tempting. Is that Bill Starr style? I've also read that Poliquin is influenced by Bill Starr and he also incorporates 5x5 in his training routines , but I think it's only one of his many methods that he is using.
You said you might help me finding the appropriate program for me and help me pass that 150 pounds.
Is it ok if I send you some stuff about me, like photos and routines I'm using now?
Thanks for all the great stuff guys.
This board is awsome.:D
 
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