Carb intake on my lean bulker

[BIGMIke007]

Hi guys, busy running a lean bulker - Im 23 days into it.
500 test; 400 Bold, week 1-4 40mg DBol. (After 4 weeks will swith to Tren E @ 250mg/week for 5 weeks and then winny at 40 mg for the last 5 weeks).

Question is how much carbs would you take to gain mass while trimming down. And before you advise it, i dont want to bulk and then cut. I started the cycle at 100kg's with 11% Body fat and now at 102kg's with 8-9% Body fat.

Im currently consuming 450g of protein and 200-250g of carbs. with minimal to no fat (only supplemental flax seed oil).

Question is would you consume more carbs? Can i cut it down even further. I want to get to 110kg's with 6% Body Fat.

 

[holy ghost]

you neeed some more eFAS than that bro

i carb zig zag regardless if bulking or cutting
who the fuck wants to get fat when theyre bulking?

 

[ALIN]

Hi guys, busy running a lean bulker - Im 23 days into it.
500 test; 400 Bold, week 1-4 40mg Dianabol - methandrostenolone - . (After 4 weeks will swith to trenbolone E @ 250mg/week for 5 weeks and then Winstrol - stanozolol at 40 mg for the last 5 weeks).

Question is how much carbs would you take to gain mass while trimming down. And before you advise it, i dont want to bulk and then cut. I started the cycle at 100kg's with 11% Body fat and now at 102kg's with 8-9% Body fat.

Im currently consuming 450g of protein and 200-250g of carbs. with minimal to no fat (only supplemental flax seed oil).

Question is would you consume more carbs? Can i cut it down even further. I want to get to 110kg's with 6% Body Fat.

IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GAIN,,,,bump COMPLEX carbs up to 600g daily and protein 2g per lb of bodyweight,,,,add plenty of GOOD fats LIKE OLIVE OIL

 

[holy ghost]

yeah youll also put on a shitload of FAT.

 

[Big A]

i would run that test a bit lower if your cutting becasue of the bloat, unless your body doesnt get a lot of bloat at that dose. I was doing 500 mg a week of cypionate for the first 8 weeks of my cycle and now i lowered it to 335-375 mg a week of cypionate for my last 6 weeks of cutting. This is the dose i can use and not get a lot of bloat.

 

[holy ghost]

LOL
thats not very benefical for your test levels bro

Diet right and run an AI or SERM and you will have no problem controlling bloat

in extreme cases a natural diarehhetic woulde suffice

 

[BIGMIke007]

I forgot to add that im running 0.5 A-dex EOD.

Holy Ghost - i consume 15g of flax seed oil a day, I cook with a little bit of olive oil and my only carb source is oats (I have 350-400g of oats everyday) which adds an additional 30-40g of fat. Im sure my fat intake is adequate.

Can anyone help me on the carb issue?

 

[Big A]

is it not a good idea to drop the amount of test ur using halfway through? If so i can keep it at 500 bacause i have only done one 350 mg injection. I also dropped to make my cypionate last but w/e , i can always get more

 

[goku_kakarot77]

do what holy ghost said , thats the best way to put on LBM and drop BF zig zag the carbs, keep protein between 400-600, let the protien build the muscle and the gear make you sweat,

 

[holy ghost]

great advice!

protein is the most thermic food !
the more the merrier, no worries about it converting to adipose tissue!

 

[nzrodney]

I guess by my reckoning that this is to be a 14 week cycle with goal increase overall mass by 8kg(17lbs) & reduce BF by 3-4%. Personally, I think you will be struggling with the lack of carbohydrate. Remember that the bodies main source of food for energy comes from a carb source. There will be a time under such reduced carb load that the body will switch to backup sources of energy & this can be protein stored in muscle mass & stored fat is sometimes the last source. I know everyone is different & needs to find what works for them but I would be inclined to get some other good clean complex carbs like broccolli, red capsicum, green peas, courgette, kiwifruit, grapefruit, strawberries & the daily banana into your plan as well. Or as suggested alternate carbs on & off on different days.

 

[BIGMIke007]

Thakn guys.

Holy ghost - I have been zig-zagging somewhat. I go for eat as much sushi as you like twice a week (intentionally - not as a cheat). So i guess my carb intake is probably about 350-400g on 2 days of the week. Is this sufficient, or would you up it even more on the high carb days.

 

[cincin]

fats are more important if you are lowering your overall carb intake, whether you are carb cycling or not - they do not make you fat, they keep hormones in check (with out fat your body could not function) and provide energy when other sources are low. roughly 0.5grms of good fats per pound of LBM - saturated fats are still good fats and keep natural test levels in check but sat fats must be the lowest percentage make up of your fat content. add olive oil to your shakes, or to your complex carbs - flax seeds are thought of as being good but are estrogen promoters similar to soy, best to avoid these.
when carb cycyling its best to keep a minimum of 50 to 120 ish grms carbs (dependant on person) on low days as when you drop carbs too low, this causes a reduction in effeciency of the thyroid i.e. it decreases your metabolism, which you do not want.
i would always opt for carb cycling when cutting or bulking, it makes a big difference for most.

 

[Big A]

ya, i have been been doing a low carb diet for 3 and half weeks on my cypionate/winni cycle where i eat really strict for 5 days a week, 1 which isnt always perfect and 1 that is moderate carbs (25-30 %) and have lost 11 pounds. i always take flax oil and udos 3 6 9 twice a day. Make sure u get your fats in there like cincin said and tons of protein becasue it keeps you way more sastified on this kind of diet wich can get really frustrating at times.

 

[ProtienFiend]

I guess by my reckoning that this is to be a 14 week cycle with goal increase overall mass by 8kg(17lbs) & reduce BF by 3-4%. Personally, I think you will be struggling with the lack of carbohydrate. Remember that the bodies main source of food for energy comes from a carb source. There will be a time under such reduced carb load that the body will switch to backup sources of energy & this can be protein stored in muscle mass & stored fat is sometimes the last source. I know everyone is different & needs to find what works for them but I would be inclined to get some other good clean complex carbs like broccolli, red capsicum, green peas, courgette, kiwifruit, grapefruit, strawberries & the daily banana into your plan as well. Or as suggested alternate carbs on & off on different days.

Hes on a gram of gear.... muscle loss is fairly unlikely.

 

[Zuperman]

great advice!

protein is the most thermic food !
the more the merrier, no worries about it converting to adipose tissue!

protein turns in to fat too bro.

 

[holy ghost]

Bro im advocating for a serious body builder and or active athelete

not a couch potatoe.

protien is extremely thermic

 

[SouthernLord]

fats are more important if you are lowering your overall carb intake, whether you are carb cycling or not - they do not make you fat, they keep hormones in check (with out fat your body could not function) and provide energy when other sources are low. roughly 0.5grms of good fats per pound of LBM - saturated fats are still good fats and keep natural test levels in check but sat fats must be the lowest percentage make up of your fat content. add olive oil to your shakes, or to your complex carbs - flax seeds are thought of as being good but are estrogen promoters similar to soy, best to avoid these.
when carb cycyling its best to keep a minimum of 50 to 120 ish grms carbs (dependant on person) on low days as when you drop carbs too low, this causes a reduction in effeciency of the thyroid i.e. it decreases your metabolism, which you do not want.
i would always opt for carb cycling when cutting or bulking, it makes a big difference for most.

This is very good advice. I am not on gear, but I do Carb Cycle. I am able to add lbm basically year round with little to no fat gain. I typically eat High cho, Med cho, Low cho, High cho, Med cho, Low cho, Low cho.... I would also drop the Flax. Try some Calson's Finest lemon flavor fish oil. One Tblsp is about 16 g of the best fish oil money can buy. Good luck.