carb cycling

[Ghede]

ok i wont be able to get any glucorell this week for my high carb day since it is today. so its essential for me to wake up first thing tomorrow morning and do cardio?

What's essential, in terms of getting into deep 'aubergine' on your ketostix is ditching all those festive carbs you stored up duing your refeed. Use them to fuel the biggest baddes workout of the week.

For many that means legs and back on day one. Yes, legs AND back and you could toss in shoulders if you felt like Proto-Human. No, you would not do this to yourself on a 'normal' diet plan, it would be counter productive, but do it for love this time and do it hard and heavy. Use that musc.glyco. while you have it to CRUSH those body parts. After the EPOC (excess post workout oxygen consumption) period has passed from that monster resistance workout, THEN consider your high intensity cardio to forcibly fry out the remaining sugars.

Long story short? sorry, you got the wrong guy, but here goes anyway: after a refeed LIFT like it matters, let the Metabolic spike decline, then later that first day cardio hard. Pleasant? No. Effective? Yes.

 

[traxxx]

on my no carb days does that also mean not taking in a simple sugar post workout drink (gatorade) with my protein shake?

What's essential, in terms of getting into deep 'aubergine' on your ketostix is ditching all those festive carbs you stored up duing your refeed. Use them to fuel the biggest baddes workout of the week.

For many that means legs and back on day one. Yes, legs AND back and you could toss in shoulders if you felt like Proto-Human. No, you would not do this to yourself on a 'normal' diet plan, it would be counter productive, but do it for love this time and do it hard and heavy. Use that musc.glyco. while you have it to CRUSH those body parts. After the EPOC (excess post workout oxygen consumption) period has passed from that monster resistance workout, THEN consider your high intensity cardio to forcibly fry out the remaining sugars.

Long story short? sorry, you got the wrong guy, but here goes anyway: after a refeed LIFT like it matters, let the Metabolic spike decline, then later that first day cardio hard. Pleasant? No. Effective? Yes.

 

[traxxx]

ok today is my first high carb day after 5 days of 0-50 carbs. I weigh 240 lbs so i think im suppose to shoot for 700-800 carbs today. just eat my first meal after 45 minutes of cardio first thing in the morning. i had a cup of strawberries and then 30 minutes later i had 8oz lean ground beef, 6 rice cakes, and a big bowl of corn flakes. How was this for my first meal? This is my first time so please let me know if im doing something wrong. Next meal will consist of a shit load of white rice about 100 carbs worth.... thanks

What's essential, in terms of getting into deep 'aubergine' on your ketostix is ditching all those festive carbs you stored up duing your refeed. Use them to fuel the biggest baddes workout of the week.

For many that means legs and back on day one. Yes, legs AND back and you could toss in shoulders if you felt like Proto-Human. No, you would not do this to yourself on a 'normal' diet plan, it would be counter productive, but do it for love this time and do it hard and heavy. Use that musc.glyco. while you have it to CRUSH those body parts. After the EPOC (excess post workout oxygen consumption) period has passed from that monster resistance workout, THEN consider your high intensity cardio to forcibly fry out the remaining sugars.

Long story short? sorry, you got the wrong guy, but here goes anyway: after a refeed LIFT like it matters, let the Metabolic spike decline, then later that first day cardio hard. Pleasant? No. Effective? Yes.

 

[Ghede]

on my no carb days does that also mean not taking in a simple sugar post workout drink (gatorade) with my protein shake?

I dont want to piss any of the vet's off around here, but i have yet to see one piece of hard paper that the typical 'dextrose-whey' immediate pwo shake is of any tangible benefit over a way more relaxed attitude for hammering the protein window.

The window for PWO protein synthesis is NOT 30 minutes but more like 5 hours and in some studies as much as 24 hours. I laugh my ass off watching guys mixing their Whey/Simple sugar concoctions in the friggin lockerroom! Can you picture a place you would rather consume food LESS than a room full of sweaty naked men?!?!

A number of the studies that have led to the myth of absolute post workout simple sugar needs are based upon supra-maximal effort for MORE than an hour and a half to two hours and are based on GLYCOGEN depletion/hyper-compensation NOT on protein uptake.

Ok, to be fair: yes, you have a better chance of filling a hole thats empty by throwing protein at it, than not. Is a PWO shake a good call? Yes, i suppose, but i am still waiting for any hard evidence to proove that protein synthesis based on Glucose or Glucose polymers or any 'oses' is an improvement PWO over just getting good clean proteins combined with complex carbs and moderate fats (MCTs might be a good call) to slow the absorbtion rates and NOT incur the spike everyone seems so hell bent on causing.

I have been wrong about a lot of stuff, and i am waiting to be wrong on this too... just not yet.

 

[Lifterforlife]

Most of the papers I have read on this fail to address a couple of things...one major one is pre workout nutrition.

Another thing glycogen depletion is relatively low for a normal strength trainee. Unless you are training for endurance events, etc., then this really is not that big of an issue.

If you don't have good pre workout nutrition, of course you better have dam good pwo nutrition.

I have had my share of arguments on line about this very subject.....nice to see someone "echoing" my sentiments.

I harken back again to the "old days" before there even was whey protein...we did not know the difference between casein, etc. We would work out, go home and grill 1/2 lb. ground round burgers and have some pasta. Load up on calories. We gained.

The only supplements we had were stuff like MLO milk and egg, Hoffman same, all nasty stuff. We did just fine.

It is what you do over days, weeks, months that add up to gains, not 5 minutes pwo.

 

[Ghede]

It is what you do over days, weeks, months that add up to gains, not 5 minutes pwo.

May i toss in a resounding, 'HELL YES!'...?

 

[timtim]

i thought the whole pwo thing was dead. anything works. i've done oats and whey, worked. i do now dex and whey, works. i mean, its up to you really. i prefer the whey/dex now because the difference between the 2 was negligable.

why do people still do the dex/whey? for ME, i work full and part time and am finishing a master's as we speak. it's another meal i can have that wont effect the next meal an hour later. when i was doing whey/oats i did have trouble getting the next meal down when i needed to.

i dont think either way is better than the other if your eating well the other 364 days of the year.

 

[traxxx]

ok today is my first high carb day after 5 days of 0-50 carbs. I weigh 240 lbs so i think im suppose to shoot for 700-800 carbs today. just eat my first meal after 45 minutes of cardio first thing in the morning. i had a cup of strawberries and then 30 minutes later i had 8oz lean ground beef, 6 rice cakes, and a big bowl of corn flakes. How was this for my first meal? This is my first time so please let me know if im doing something wrong. Next meal will consist of a shit load of white rice about 100 carbs worth.... thanks