Broke my AAS cherry with 120 mg or so of Tren Ace

[d_rson]

Listen to what the guys here have said to you , your academic achievements are not going to be able to help you when this starts to go all wrong.

The thing is, it might not even go wrong. He's doing nothing positive here. He claims he wanted to see what tren would do to him, but he's only doing it for two weeks. He's not going to see the nasty side effects, and he's not going to get any real benefit out of it. So it may actually "go okay" and he'll think he somehow won in this venture. But the truth is that he never got any benefit from it, and never saw what it will really do. So smooth or rough, his two week run will be a losing endeavor for him. But he's convinced himself, through selective reading for 6 weeks (selective as in, he already made up his mind, so he read and retained only that which supported his initial conclusion), that his plan is the be-all of plans - and even if it doesn't "go wrong" for him, he's going to twist the results to benefit his initial theory that lead him down this path. That's how people try to look smart.

 

[dmessina7]

The thing is, it might not even go wrong. He's doing nothing positive here. He claims he wanted to see what tren would do to him, but he's only doing it for two weeks. He's not going to see the nasty side effects, and he's not going to get any real benefit out of it. So it may actually "go okay" and he'll think he somehow won in this venture. But the truth is that he never got any benefit from it, and never saw what it will really do. So smooth or rough, his two week run will be a losing endeavor for him. But he's convinced himself, through selective reading for 6 weeks (selective as in, he already made up his mind, so he read and retained only that which supported his initial conclusion), that his plan is the be-all of plans - and even if it doesn't "go wrong" for him, he's going to twist the results to benefit his initial theory that lead him down this path. That's how people try to look smart.

the thing is i reason that the whole point of his 'venture' was to see the dose he would run when he actually stacks this with test and whatever else he was planning on running (was in one of his first posts) So thats when things will go wrong for him. When he runs a 12-16 week cycle of tren and test eventually he will be one big heifer ready for slaughter. i guess theres some pun intended (finiplex). sorry mods =(

 

[C0LUMB0]

The thing is, it might not even go wrong. He's doing nothing positive here. He claims he wanted to see what tren would do to him, but he's only doing it for two weeks. He's not going to see the nasty side effects, and he's not going to get any real benefit out of it. So it may actually "go okay" and he'll think he somehow won in this venture. But the truth is that he never got any benefit from it, and never saw what it will really do. So smooth or rough, his two week run will be a losing endeavor for him. But he's convinced himself, through selective reading for 6 weeks (selective as in, he already made up his mind, so he read and retained only that which supported his initial conclusion), that his plan is the be-all of plans - and even if it doesn't "go wrong" for him, he's going to twist the results to benefit his initial theory that lead him down this path. That's how people try to look smart.

Well said ...thats it in a nutshell !

 

[ALIN]

I did a fina conversion using Bill Roberts no BB/BA method. Used grapeseed oil and did a triple filtration using a coffee filter, .45 micron and .20 micron Whatman. I don't know if I got it more concentrated or lost a lot of tren in the filters but I ended up with somewhere between 30-35 mL of oil. I figure 40 mg/mL would be a reasonable assumption. This was my very first IM injection and very first use of an AAS. Used a 25 gauge, 1.5 in pin and felt virtually nothing when I jabbed. I barely felt the oil going in (I can understand why it would give you a cough with the BA, something tightened in my lungs I think, but very slightly) It was much less dramatic than I thought it would be so I started to wonder if the tren was really there. But it's about 15-20 minutes later...I feel power!!!! It almost feels a bit like an initial dose of Adderall. How long should I wait before assaulting the gym? Any other feedback besides the whole tren is not a first time AAS drug? After my experience with the ADD drugs, I've determined that more potent=more benefit, less sides for the buck. I am going to do 1cc injections ED or EOD for 2-3 weeks now and see how it goes. Plan to just assault my GI tract with vitamins, minerals, and as much amino acids as it will take.

I'm going to keep my eye on this thread.
Should be interesting. My personal experience
with TREN only cycles have not always been good.

 

[tornpie]

Lol, this is funny. I think everyone else is just as eager as I am to see the results. I don't know why it isn't sensible to see what tren does on a short term before doing a longer term run. Obviously if you can't handle it for 2-4 weeks, why plan a bigger cycle around it?

Anyhow, so far if it wasn't for the incredible increases in lifting, I would have thought that I lost all the tren in the filters. I have no significant side effects to report apart from only needing to jerk off once a day and harder to fall asleep and stay asleep.

Besides that, the bp is normalizing, sweating is possibly less than usual except during above average physical exertion, and my aerobic capacity is slightly increasing. I am able to nearly run up hills that I previously was able to walk at average pace. I am limited only by lactic acid removal in calves. Even at my weight, I walk faster than most people, so now my fat ass is damn near running up hills on tren of all things. On my top ten list of shit I wanted to figure out for my personal fitness goals is will tren affect my ability to do cardio. The answer so far is not just no, but it is improving! Instead of being aggressive and hostile, I am much less high strung and very relaxed around people. My confidence and vitality is really shining through so much so that I could have number closed several very attractive women today. I guess I am still concerned about tren dick and getting something started with a girl at this time could prove to be rather embarrassing.

This stuff is fucking unbelievable though. I stared at the vial for a few minutes in the days leading up to the first IM thinking, "Look at how beautiful it is, it holds the potential to change my life significantly." So far, it is performing beyond my expectations. I am slacking on my eating discipline, but I am eating everything in sight and my pants are starting to fall off my ass. I keep having to use tighter holes on my belt.

Recovery time is fucking absurd. I can go all out every other day. I'm limited by energy though. Seems like I have to add 10-20 lbs to several exercises. I am currently trying to plan out a more efficient exercise itinerary. It almost seems like this is something no one can really figure out until one is actually on gear.

Overall, I am feeling outstanding. Haven't felt this good physically and mentally in years, and in certain ways, possibly never. I may cave in and go longer than the planned 2 weeks adding another AAS and PCT possibly. Otherwise, I may take a break to shrink my stomach somewhat as it is getting in the way of effective ab and back work a bit.

My guess is that adding the benzyl alcohol to the mix is what causes the lung problem and possibly other side effects. Furthermore, I can tell this shit is hardcore, so keeping the levels fairly stable are probably the absolute key! Imagine a menopausal or pregnant woman and a estrogen version of a tren. I think my weight, the frontloading, and daily injections may be smoothing out the hormone levels. Wish I had a way to test this hypothesis objectively. I'm also highly supplemented as far as vitamins, minerals, etc:

9mg/24hr Emsam (selegiline transdermal)
750 mg DL-phenylalanine
regular multivitamin
1000 mg magnesium
600 mg chromium picolinate
500 mg niacinamide
100 mg pyrodoxine hydrochloride
2000 mg fish oil
600 mg R alpha lipoic acid
30 mg NADH
200 mg modafinil
30-40 g glutamine
5-20 g creatine
6 g AAKG
5 g beta alanine
5 g citrulline malate
at least 300 g protein in whey, eggs, milk, etc.
50 mg Zinc
1800 mg green tea extract
200 mcg selenium
200 mcg Huperzine A

Yes, I know there are other things I should be taking, most notably vitamins A,C,D,E,calcium,BCAA's,etc. Funding is a bit limited currently.

My next cycle will probably depend on what I can free up financially. Ideally it would be a 8 week test,tren,mast based super cutting cycle with different orals at different stages. The other option is a deca/eq/test cycle. Something that I can simultaneously gain lean muscle while losing fat. From what I am experiencing right now, I don't think it out of the question that a constant 2 on/2 off tren only would result in consistent ~5 bf loss and ~5 lbs lean muscle increase even with a sloppy diet and exercise routine. Obviously that would become asymptotic after a while, but given a year of this, I wouldn't put money on it NOT working.

One last thing, the whole nolva/tren question is far from cut and dried. It seems like some people swear by the combo while others say it makes it worse. I actually think I've only read one post in all the forums saying that nolva made his tren based gyno worse. The exact mechanism for gyno and tren based gyno is not all that clear on an individual basis. I guess the NSF needs to fund more man boob studies. We need to write our local congressmen NOW!

As for me, I'm not too highly concerned since I am on Emsam and take a shitload of B6 anyways. I also still have adolescent onset gyno that I plan to get operated on in the next year. Any increased tit generation can be taken care of all at once. Also, I can always jack up the dl-phenylalanine, pyrodoxine, l-tyrosine intake to keep dopamine going strong to shut down any significant prolactin. In fact I'm already getting a shitload from diet and supplementation, moreso than any doctor in his right mind would be comfortable with. One thing I do know about myself is that I can run my dopamine rich.

 

[dmessina7]

My confidence and vitality is really shining through so much so that I could have number closed several very attractive women today. I guess I am still concerned about tren dick and getting something started with a girl at this time could prove to be rather embarrassing.

^^^ hilarious!!!!

This stuff is fucking unbelievable though. I stared at the vial for a few minutes in the days leading up to the first IM thinking, "Look at how beautiful it is, it holds the potential to change my life significantly." So far, it is performing beyond my expectations. I am slacking on my eating discipline, but I am eating everything in sight and my pants are starting to fall off my ass. I keep having to use tighter holes on my belt.

i call bullshit man. im sorry but diet is by far mroe important then any aas, hormone, stim or beta antagonizer or anything else. DIET! DISCIPLINE! If you eat sloppy on tren u might get stronger but your not doing your body any favors. Your not going to lose bf%.

Overall, I am feeling outstanding. Haven't felt this good physically and mentally in years, and in certain ways, possibly never. I may cave in and go longer than the planned 2 weeks adding another AAS and PCT possibly. Otherwise, I may take a break to shrink my stomach somewhat as it is getting in the way of effective ab and back work a bit.

Good for u! I just wish u were doing things the right way and listening to some of the members on this board.

My guess is that adding the benzyl alcohol to the mix is what causes the lung problem and possibly other side effects.

Shortness of breath is a side effect of tren. so i dont know where your goign with this. It has nothing to do with BA. I get it worse from tren acetate (finaplex) then i do with tren enan or tren hexa but it does show its ugly head in all three, just the latter is more gradual. tren ace hits me like a freight train.

 

[tornpie]

I don't have time to do it right now, but I am interested in seeing any research on tren's direct and indirect effects on dopaminergic activity. This would probably be where most of the deprssion/anxiety/aggression/gyno/impotence issues are rooted. How exactly tren induced prolactin increase impacts dopamine would be very interesting to know.

 

[dmessina7]

I don't have time to do it right now, but I am interested in seeing any research on tren's direct and indirect effects on dopaminergic activity. This would probably be where most of the deprssion/anxiety/aggression/gyno/impotence issues are rooted. How exactly tren induced prolactin increase impacts dopamine would be very interesting to know.

ur talking like tren is a miracle drug for people with depression. if u really wanted to go about this the right way in the name of 'research' and whatever the mumbo jumbo above means, u should have used a tren source from an established ugl so u know exactly how much ur putting in ur body. right now your 'control group' might very well have no tren in it what so ever and everythign your feeling right now is a confidence increase from the placebo effect. You'd be very surprised by how powerful the mind is.

 

[tornpie]

^^^ hilarious!!!!



i call bullshit man. im sorry but diet is by far mroe important then any aas, hormone, stim or beta antagonizer or anything else. DIET! DISCIPLINE! If you eat sloppy on tren u might get stronger but your not doing your body any favors. Your not going to lose bf%.




Good for u! I just wish u were doing things the right way and listening to some of the members on this board.





Shortness of breath is a side effect of tren. so i dont know where your goign with this. It has nothing to do with BA. I get it worse from tren acetate (finaplex) then i do with tren enan or tren hexa but it does show its ugly head in all three, just the latter is more gradual. tren ace hits me like a freight train.

I said no shortness of breath with tren ace

 

[tornpie]

ur talking like tren is a miracle drug for people with depression. if u really wanted to go about this the right way in the name of 'research' and whatever the mumbo jumbo above means, u should have used a tren source from an established ugl so u know exactly how much ur putting in ur body. right now your 'control group' might very well have no tren in it what so ever and everythign your feeling right now is a confidence increase from the placebo effect. You'd be very surprised by how powerful the mind is.

If you read what I said, I was stating that tren may have a very detrimental effect on dopamine leading to depression and the other stuff. I do not know exactly how much tren is in the solution but there is plenty. My piss is getting stranger in its color everyday.