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Blut Wumps Another 25

3 PRs...again! Congrats, and you really do have impressive bench numbers. I'm also glad to see that you made the 3 "American" plate threshold on squats, too (plus a 2.5er)! ;)
 
Week 8 Day 2

Another busted workout. I'm definitely feeling like I'm into loading now. I spent all of last night aching everywhere and repeatedly passing out in front of the TV.

The light squats were fine except that walking out the bar was really aggravating my left arm. I must be using my arms too much to hold the weight. I checked that my elbows were well behind me and I definitely use arch and traps to lift the weight. I'll have to look into this at some stage.

After squats my lower back was cramped/pumped and I was massaging it out through the deadlift warmups. The first working set went awry in rep 4. I remember thinking "What was that?" as I grunted it up. The last rep I dumped at just below knee height. My back and form were completely out of position.

I'd managed this weight for 5 reps just fine 8 weeks ago before sticking synthetic hormones into myself and spending two months getting stronger. I decided to switch to triples and got myself up to five sets with long rests. On the last set I even had to squeeze to lock it out.

MP didn't go much better. I got the first two sets and then went into a decline. On the fifth set I only managed a single which was just silly. I tried again and got a double. I did 20 reps with just the bar to get some ache out of my shoulders and they seemed easier to finish than they did last week. I just looked back through my log book and it seems I've never gone over 75Kg for a set of five before. So, 77.5Kg x 5 PR :)

I guess that simplifies the decision on whether to deload next week. I felt drained when I left the gym and stayed that way until I went to bed.

I'll do this week's day 3 workout on Saturday and then start to manage my segue into an intensity phase and 'coming off'. Final dose on Saturday.


Total workout time around 2 hours.

Weight in Kilos. Last 2 weeks in orange
Light ATF Squat
20x10, 30x10, 60x5, 90x4, 110x5x5
20x10, 30x10, 60x5, 100x4, 115x5x5

20x10, 30x10, 60x5, 90x4, 120x5x5
Deadlift
60x8, 100x5, 135x3, 155x5x5
60x8, 100x5, 130x3, 150x2, 160x5x5

60x8, 100x5, 130x3, 150x2, 165 x 4,3,3,3,3
MP
20x10, 40x6, 60x3, 70x5x5
20x10, 40x5, 60x3, 70x1, 75x5x5, 20x20

20x10, 40x6, 60x3, 70x1, 77.5 x 5,5,4,3,1,2, 20x20


Edit:
I was just looking back through my log book again. The 165Kg deadlift is also a PR on 5x3. I think I might be scraping the barrel on this one but if I'd gone to the gym looking for five sets of triples I'd have been happy to exalt it as a PR.
 
BiggT said:
I hope it gives you some reassurance.....just expect progress to be eye popping when you look back over 2-3 months and not so much from workout to workout.

I was glancing back through the journal, and it looks like BiggT was quite prophetic. Congrats on an impressive extended loading phase and on today's creatively defined PRs. :)
 
Week 8 Day 3

Another partial workout but I've no complaints.

My 1RM squat before I started this run was 160Kg with belt at the end of the Korte last October. As such, even a single today at 160Kg would be a PR. It was odd to be passing through weights that were PRs a couple of weeks ago but getting to 160 left me lacking some confidence. I blame AB for his negative comment last week. The fourth rep was a bit noisy but I really should have had the last rep. I just didn't push hard enough coming out of the bottom and stalled. I had to shrug the weight off onto the supports. I should have had it but just lacked faith when I started the rep.

Still, I had a PR but I knew I needed a new 1RM. I failed to get 170Kg out of the hooks on the first attempt. I use the top hooks and I kind of arch it out but have to use the balls of my feet to do it, I think. Second attempt I walked it out and the rep was a real grind all the way up. I wasn't able to rack it back into the same hooks and had to use the next ones down. 160Kg x 4 PR, 170Kg x 1 PR

I was especially pleased with the 170Kg since the last 1RM had been done after a succession of cute singles to work up to the weight. To do it straight after a 4-rep set at my old 1RM was just great. It made up for failing the fifth rep at 160. It also bodes very well for getting to four plates fairly soon and then it'll be time to do something about my cruddy deadlift.

My arms were aching again after the squats and the bench made them worse. I got my sets on bench but the very last rep was awfully slow. The spotter asked whether I was OK but stayed back. 125Kg x 5 x 5 PR

I didn't enjoy taking the weights off the bar and when I went over to where I'd row I started to unload that bar and decided it wasn't going to happen. I even had to be careful using the handbrake on the way home. Maybe I can go in on Monday and do my rows.

I finished off with some Needsize Abs without extra weight.

I'm really pleased with this workout. I think that at this stage in my training that squats are the most important lift and... Well, I'm chuffed.

I'm not sure whether to try for another PR volume workout next week or just accept that it's time to come back down and deload. It has to stop somewhere and today is the scheduled last dose. I've always been prepared to go one shot further but I'm not sure there's really any point.


Weights in Kilos, Last week in orange
ATF Squat
20x10, 30x10, 60x5, 90x5, 105x5, 120x5, 135x5, 150x5
20x10, 30x10, 60x5, 90x5, 110x5, 130x5, 145x5, 160x4, 170x1
Bench
20x10N, 40x10S, 60x5W, 80x3W, 100x2W, 110x2W, 122.5x5x5
20x10N, 40x8S, 60x5W, 80x3W, 100x2W, 115x2W, 125x5x5 W, 60x15 S
 
Crap, sorry, but what negative comment? As far as I was concerned, you'd just done 150kg x 5 for a PR, so 160x5 seemded like a big jump. I can't remember your priors, so maybe my comments were out of context.

BTW, is this a good time to mention the 14 year old kid in the movie clips posted by asdf the other day (originally edited by coolcolj), in which it was said that the 14 yr old kid back squatted 170kg? ;)
 
It was a big jump, once you'd pointed it out. ;)

It's been an odd few weeks regarding the numbers. I keep having to put the actual value that's on the bar out of my mind and just lift it else I'll convince myself that it's too much.

I know that on some PRs I could likely have gone a shade higher but slow, steady progress really does work and you have to reckon that eventually you'll pick up any slack. The 150 felt that way and I reckoned that 160 was a stretch but doable. When I stopped to think that I was deep-squatting 160, it became 160 again and I let it beat me.

Fantastic on the 14yo. It's like we've said before: how incredible it must be to get proper training information when you're starting out rather than decades later.

BiggT, thanks. You always seem to put things in perspective. I'm feeling annoyed about my arms and working around them and you just dump them off as 'little annoying shit'. Much appreciated.

I also only just spotted your log. I'm looking forward to catching up on that tomorrow.
 
Congrats on PR's, i bet the 170 squat felt good.
Here's link to that 14 yo 50kg chinese kid that squats 170 lol, kids these days, they call him a world champ in the making, it doesn't show him back squating, just shows him doing some oly lifts with heavey weight, but mentions that he can back squat 170... dayam
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jcPpTNHSqfc
 
blut wump said:
ATF Squat
160Kg x 4 PR, 170Kg x 1 PR

Bench
125Kg x 5 x 5 PR

:garza:

Congrats. I don't know how you mustered up the will to try 170 again, and not only that but to grind it out. Especially after repping at 5RM PR weight just before. Awesome.
 
The 4-plate squat along with the 3-plate bench triple are pretty much inevitable now, assuming no injury. I could probably go in tomorrow and get them if I were paranoid about either. With belt and wraps, I'd have no real concerns at trying for over 200Kg except, maybe, for unfamiliarity with the walkout.

I'm usually pretty pragmatic about this kind of stuff. At the appropriate stage of the program I'll do the lifts and move on.

Thanks to everyone. That 170 was pretty special to me after the volume work. I guess that had I hit the last rep of the 160, I almost certainly wouldn't have tried for 170 since I'd have been riding high on the 160x5 and would likely just have moved on to bench. I just felt that I had enough that it was worth a shot and didn't want to stop on a failure.

I think that had I failed it I might have gone for my belt and wraps and tried for 180. I'm that kind of a cuss when I get annoyed.
 
Volume Phase Roundup

I've just been looking back through my logbook for old 1x5 and 5x5 PRs. Since I spent the later part of last year running different rep-ranges and ran the Korte before that, I've had to dig far back for some of them and others were for 7 sets rather than 5 etc. Still, these my past lifts rather than any estimates or extrapolations.

Code:
[b]
                Old Records             New Records
               1x5       5x5           1x5       5x5
               ---       ---           ---       ---
Squat          130       115           150       145
Bench          122.5     112.5         130       125
BB Row         105       100           115       105
MP              70        70            77.5      75
Dead           165       140           ---       160[/b]

The BB Row has been a little short-changed these past two weeks since I've dropped the 5x5 from the Day 3 workout. I also couldn't find any old 5-set MP aside from attempts with a 5x5.

So,
Squat has gained 20Kg(44lbs) on the 1x5 and 30Kg(66lbs) on a 5x5
Bench 7.5Kg (16.5lbs) on 1x5 and 12.5Kg (27.5lbs) on a 5x5
BB Row 10Kg (22lbs) on 1x5 and 5Kg (11lbs) on 5x5
MP gained 5Kg on 5x5
Deads gained 20Kg (44lbs) on 5x5.

The old deads 5x5 value was from 7 sets of 5 reps and I'd mentally mark that increase down by 5Kg. The squat 1x5 increase I'd mark up, maybe 7.5Kg. Similarly, I reckon I'd get 135 this week on bench 1x5 so I'd mark that up too by 2.5Kg in terms of progress.

It's hard to judge the worth of these comparisons given that the timescale on some of them is almost a year. I'm more looking forward to 3-rep values and finally some fresh 1RMs. I'm also wondering how much I'm going to lose as the synthetic test gets used up and washed away.
 
Sunday Weigh-In

126.6 Kg (278.5 lbs)


21st Feb 123.4 Kg - 271.5 lbs
26th Feb 124.4 Kg - 273.7 lbs
05th Mar 125.0 Kg - 275.0 lbs
12th Mar 126.8 Kg - 279.0 lbs
(19th Mar 125.2 Kg - 275.4 lbs)
27th Mar 126.8 Kg - 279.0 lbs
02nd Apr 126.4 Kg - 278.0 lbs
11th Apr 126.0 Kg - 277.2 lbs
16th Apr 126.6 Kg - 278.5 lbs (today)

My weight has been climbing a shade these past few days and I weighed in at 127Kg (279.4 lbs) yesterday. It's a bit scary to think that I'm just shy of 20 stone (280 lbs).
 
Good stuff all around.

Any recomping going on? I know that's not a priority, but it sure can be a pleasant side effect :) 'Course if you're holding a lot of water it'll be hard to tell...
 
It is hard to tell. Some days I think "definitely" other days I'm not so sure. I've grown more muscle, for sure. I should have taken photos.

I'm also thinking that a decent attempt to lose 20 or 30 pounds in a couple of months might not be amiss.
 
Week 9 Day 1 - Deload

Not much to report. I'm still feeling a bit beat up so I've gone into deload for this week.

Squats were uneventful. The final x3x3 was comfortable but not 'easy'.

Bench similarly. The numbers look a bit odd on bench since I had intended just to go 100/115/130 but shuffled the 115 up to 120 and then filled in the gap with a single at 110.

Rows were fine. My arms were still moaning but not so much that they got in the way.

I finished off with some decline sit-ups, idea shamelessly stolen frm BiggT. I haven't done these in much time so just aimed for 3 sets of 20. I was struggling in the second set and had to take my hands in from my head on the last two reps before aborting. I was accosted for a natter before the last set so had a longer rest and got all 20 again.

While I was doing my bench warmups I got up to find the guy on the next bench in the process of failing with three plates. I let him know I was on the way and had to negotiate the obstacle course to get behind him but he held on. I said that I'd spot him if he wanted to try again. He waited until I was on another set and then went for it anyway. Fortunately he got his single. Crazy guy.

I found another squat snob. I'd seen him doing his own squats which were nice and deep with sensible weight. We chatted about the pointlessness of people piling weight on the bar just to do quarter squats. I was impressed: he said he'd just had a short layoff and was planning on working back to where he was over a period of about four to six weeks. It never occurs to me to ask people whether they are on here at EF.


Weight in Kilos. Week 8 in orange.
ATF Squat
20x10, 30x10, 60x5, 90x3, 120x3, 130x1, 145x5x5
20x10, 30x10, 60x5, 90x3, 120x3, 130x1, 145x3x3
Bench
20x10N, 40x8S, 60x5W, 85x5W, 100x5W, 110x5W, 120x5W, 130x5W
20x10N, 40x8S, 60x5W, 80x5S, 100x3W, 110x1W, 120x3W, 130x3W
BB Row
20x10, 60x5, 75x5, 90x5, 105x5, 115x5
20x10, 60x5, 80x3, 100x3, 115x3
Decline Sit-Up
BW x 20, 18, 20
 
Yeah if you're going to run intensity it should be something to see :garza:

blut wump said:
I found another squat snob. I'd seen him doing his own squats which were nice and deep with sensible weight. We chatted about the pointlessness of people piling weight on the bar just to do quarter squats. I was impressed: he said he'd just had a short layoff and was planning on working back to where he was over a period of about four to six weeks. It never occurs to me to ask people whether they are on here at EF.

Kinda funny all it takes is one ATF squat no matter the weight and in the back of your mind you think he might be an EF'er or 5 x 5'er...
 
BiggT said:
Whats your plan after the deload?
The plan is to run a standard 5x5 Intensity phase. Deload this week and then four weeks of increasing triples. I might then spend another one or two weeks, joints willing, of trying for some singles.

That should take me through the period of esters clearing since my last dose was Saturday past.


Edit:
I meant esters clearing and PCT time.
 
Last edited:
Funny you should mention that but I hadn't really thought much of it through.

On squats, every increase will be a PR and I'd like to hit four plates if not even 400 for at least a single. I did 170 last week so this really should happen.

On bench, as you know, I've wanted three plates for a triple for a very long time and I think that's in the bag. I'd be very happy to hit a 160 single.

I'd still like to hit 200 on deads. I think I'd likely have reached it in the Korte so I have high hopes that I'll be on the road to 500 by the time this is all over.

Rows, MP, I'll take what comes. I might switch MP over to Push Press.
 
I was checking the walkout today on the squats. If you recall, I mentioned that I failed my first attempt to get 170Kg out of the hooks. While walking out the weight today, I noticed that I do clear the hooks usually. Even at 145 I was clearing the hooks but by less than lighter weights. Either the bar is bending or I get shorter with a heavier weight on my back. I'm guessing a bendy bar.
 
Week 9 Day 2 - Deload

My deadlift sucks. It's not the weight, as such, but I just can't get my setup down. Every set at 165 went the same way: the first rep was a farce where I just forced it up while feeling the strain in all the wrong places and then reps two and three were fine except that I'd blown a lot of energy and motor units on the first rep. That's how it seemed, anyway.

I tried hard to note my stance and position with respect to the bar between reps but trying to begin a fresh set from that position was even worse than my usual. I feel the first rep all in my lower back as though I extend all wrong. The next reps feel fluid. Back pumps were severe.

Since I bombed at 77.5 last week, I dropped back to 75Kg on MP. It was an effort but comfortable. Probably a good choice for a deload week. I finished off with an empty bar for 20 again and while I was repping them out some kid walked under the bar with expected consequences [fuller story here]. He seemed ok but I had to start my set again.

I amost didn't bother with pulldowns because of my arm ache but talked myself into it. I couldn't remember how many plates I used last time and went for 20 which was fine (last time was 18 plates for 5x5 in Week6). I tried a quickie at 25 and that would have been too much. Maybe I can get there before the end. My arms didn't seem bothered.

Did decline situps again. They went a lot worse than two days earlier.


Weight in Kilos. Week 8 in orange
Light ATF Squat
20x10, 30x10, 60x5, 90x4, 120x5x5
20x10, 30x10, 60x5
Deadlift
60x8, 100x5, 130x3, 150x2, 165 x 4,3,3,3,3
60x8, 100x5, 140x3, 150x1, 165x3x3
MP
20x10, 40x6, 60x3, 70x1, 77.5 x 5,5,4,3,1,2, 20x20
20x10, 40x6, 60x3, 70x1, 75x3x3, 20x12, 20x20
Pulldown
12x10, 16x5, 20x3x3, 14x8
Decline Situp
BW x20, 12, 13
 
blut_wump, what kind of stance do you use? arms between legs or outside? my DL sucks too and i have a feeling that my form isn't good while using the regular arms out stance. i'm thinking of getting used to arms in because i think i may be able to nail the form more easily.
 
I dead conventional: arms outside; feet about shoulder-width apart.

I tried sumo a long time ago and never went back. I also tried semi-sumo a short while ago and found it quite hard and ended up grunting the bar up in conventional fashion but with a wide stance. I've thought of trying to work up a semi-sumo but haven't gotten around to it.

Some days I just get it right and the set is fine. The week before I started this run I did a set of 5 at this same weight and had no problems other than that it felt like a lot of weight. Some sets I've aborted the first rep, reset myself and then lifted just fine. I think I just need to program the setup into myself somehow.
 
nelmsjer said:
One poor day does not your status make, brother.

Get it next time. :chomp:
I got all my weights. ;)

It's the form that sucks and it's a problem I've had for a long time. I've just been hoping that it would go away on its own but it isn't complying.
 
Seriously...what about video? Start taping your last set of deads and make note of what changes when you are having "off" days...
 
Do you not like your form only on your heavy sets? My form starts to break down a little when I get close to my max, but what're you gonna do? ;) I figured I just have to get stronger where I'm having problems, for me off the floor.

blut wump said:
the first rep was a farce where I just forced it up while feeling the strain in all the wrong places and then reps two and three were fine except that I'd blown a lot of energy and motor units on the first rep. That's how it seemed, anyway.

Exact same thing here and I fully deload the weight. I noticed it a lot with bands, mostly with respect to speed: my first rep seems slow and I'm not in the groove. The rest of the set is faster and my form feels tighter. It's quite strange. I wonder if it's a CNS thing or mentally that I want to be careful the first rep before 'gripping and ripping' :biggrin:
 
Week 9 Day 3 - Deload

I wasn't sure about the wisdom of taking two days in a row during deload but I felt fine and wanted to reclaim my weekend.

I think I've worked out what's ripping my arms up. I've mentioned the problems of getting the bar out of the hooks as the weight climbs. Well, I often clip a hook as I'm getting the bar out with the heavier weight. This leaves me using my arms to re-secure and control the bar and it's causing the ongoing aches. I'm switching to using the next hooks down which means I have to do a 6" bottom-up squat to walk the weight out. It should save my arms for better duties.

It was good to consolidate the 160Kg. It felt heavy but no problem and it's going to be tough working out the increments to use for these over the next few weeks. Maybe AB was right and I should have settled for 155Kg last week. ;)

Bench was fine except for my arms aching. At least I know for certan that forearms are involved in a bench press.

I was unsure whether to do rows again. I worked up to my weight for 3x3 and did just one set. It was too uncomfortable. Again I had to be careful using the handbrake on the way home.

With any luck the last vestiges of test floating in my system will get my arms healing again over the weekend and I can hope to look after them if I'm correct in the cause of the problem. This has bothered me on and off for quite a while and it'll be great to have solved it. It's also amazing the kind of crap I put up with when I'm focussing on an upcoming squat. If not for the pains, I'd still be doing it.


Weights in Kilos, Last week in orange
ATF Squat
20x10, 30x10, 60x5, 90x5, 110x5, 130x5, 145x5, 160x4, 170x1
20x10, 30x10, 60x5, 90x5, 120x3, 140x3, 160x3
Bench
20x10N, 40x8S, 60x5W, 80x3W, 100x2W, 115x2W, 125x5x5 W, 60x15 S
20x10N, 40x10S, 60x5W, 80x3S, 100x2W, 115x2W, 125x3x3 W
BB Row
20x10, 60x5, 85x3, 105x3
 
Just rest. Cardio by playing with the dogs although I might end up dragging the 'sled' around the sand-school if my wife catches me too rested at any time.

The 'sled' is just a half of a bedstead with a couple of chains attached. She makes me walk up and down the sand-school to level out the sand and rubber mix that the horses churn up.
 
Sunday Weigh-In

125.4 Kg (275.9 lbs)


21st Feb 123.4 Kg - 271.5 lbs
26th Feb 124.4 Kg - 273.7 lbs
05th Mar 125.0 Kg - 275.0 lbs
12th Mar 126.8 Kg - 279.0 lbs
(19th Mar 125.2 Kg - 275.4 lbs)
27th Mar 126.8 Kg - 279.0 lbs
02nd Apr 126.4 Kg - 278.0 lbs
11th Apr 126.0 Kg - 277.2 lbs
16th Apr 126.6 Kg - 278.5 lbs
23rd Apr 125.4 Kg - 275.9 lbs (today)

I finally decided that I was definitely holding excessive amounts of water and switched anti-e. I wouldn't be surprised to drop below 125 by tomorrow and I'll post up where I bottom out at over the next few days.

I might find that I've not gained any weight at all.
 
I didnt realise you were so big BW, how tall are you? 275 is a whole lotta lovin :) Nice squatting, even ifyou didnt gain 'weight' you may have gained extra muscle and burned some fat from the test (ignoring the water)
 
Thanks Tweakle, much appreciated.

I'm just shy of 6'2", high teens BF, 48 yo. I've definitely grown muscle so it'd be pretty cool to end up back on the same weight I started.
 
Week 10 Day 1

A good, solid workout and the fatigue is lifting. I felt better today in the gym than I have for a while. The biggest problem I have now is accepting that my lifts have gone up. Mentally, I knew that today's weights, being the frst week of the intensity phase, shouldn't be a problem but I still was uneasy at going for them. I guess I feel a bit of this every time I run an intensity phase.

Squats felt good today: no twinges or aches at all. It was a bit odd taking the weight from the next hooks down but that's a small price to pay for saving my arms from the grief of a flailing bar. The 140x1 felt nice and solid with a little pause at the bottom. The three triples also felt good and solid. 150Kg x 3 x 3 PR

Bench similarly. My arch felt good. No problems. I had a spotter for the final set. He said I had another rep in me easily and I'd agree with him. I've tripled this weight before on a Smith about a year ago as an all-out effort, and probably not touching down on all three reps, but never on a free bar. 135Kg x 3 PR.

The final set of rows was fairly hard work but I was pleased to get them considering how much I've neglected rows these past few weeks. I've rowed this weight before but never with a horizontal back and deloading on the floor between reps. 120Kg x 3 PR

Decline situps again for abs. Worse than last week. Ho hum.


Weight in Kilos. Last week in orange.
ATF Squat
20x10, 30x10, 60x5, 90x3, 120x3, 130x1, 145x3x3
20x10, 30x10, 60x5, 90x3, 120x3, 140x1, 150x3x3
Bench
20x10N, 40x8S, 60x5W, 80x5S, 100x3W, 110x1W, 120x3W, 130x3W
20x10N, 40x8S, 60x5W, 80x3S, 100x3W, 120x3W, 135x3W, 90x8N for 2 sets
BB Row
20x10, 60x5, 80x3, 100x3, 115x3
20x10, 60x5, 90x3, 105x3, 120x3, 60x8
Decline Sit-Up
BW x 20, 18, 20
BW x 20, 18, 15
 
That 'fear' of bigger weights is normal....it needs to be overcome to push yourself to the next level. It is kind of like leaving your comfort zone to reach a new level. It has to be done though.
 
Week 10 Day 2 - Intensity Week1

Deadlift was good this week. I continued from where I left off last week with trying to get my form down and every set went well. No back aches, no grinding reps, no problems at all. I've been trying of late to get my shoulders behind the bar and then try to pull back and up. I get a much better groove just pulling up and getting my feet further under the bar than I've been setting up for. My legs seemed to find the right start angles.

I could have done more weight but this is equivalent to week 6. I'm really finishing off my deload this week prior to building back up over the next three weeks. The fact that I'm not writing 'PR' next to my lifts is sad testament to the poor performances I've been putting in on Wednesdays. I guess taking four or five months off from deads factors in there somewhere. I'm hoping for a PR next week.

MP similarly, nice, solid touchdowns with no leg drive at all. I failed on 5x5 at this weight and reckon that I could have done 5x5 today.

Pulldowns were just pulldowns. I bumped the weight from last time and it was about right. I ought to move to chins at some stage.


Weight in Kilos. Week 9 in orange
Light ATF Squat
20x10, 30x10, 60x5
None
Deadlift
60x8, 100x5, 140x3, 150x1, 165x3x3
20x10, 60x8, 100x5, 140x3, 160x1, 170x3x3
MP
20x10, 40x6, 60x3, 70x1, 75x3x3, 20x12, 20x20
20x10, 40x6, 60x3, 70x1, 77.5x3x3
Pulldown
12x10, 16x5, 20x3x3, 14x8
12x10, 16x5, 21x3x3
 
Week 10 Day 3 - Intensity Week 1

Energy was down today and I didn't feel strong. Back to normalcy, I guess. I got weighed this morning and my weight has continued to drop through the week. I was at 124.4 Kg (273.7 lbs) which is where I was after one week of the program.

Squats felt kind of heavy throughout. When I got to 140Kg I reckoned I was in trouble. The last set was hard with three ever slower reps and the next three weeks are going to be tough on these. It's fantastic, though, to be within spitting distance of a four-plate triple. 165Kg x 3 PR

Bench was fine. I bumped up to 130 to take up some slack I reckoned I had. My arch collapsed during the second set which made it hard. Third set solid. I did this weight for five triples a few months back. I settled for a couple of sets of 5 for the back-off. I'm going to try to work the close-grip back-off for two sets of 5 with increasing weight for a while.

I didn't raise the weight on the rows since I only did one set last week at the top weight. Second set felt hard, third one felt easy.

My decline sit-up is improving, maybe due to the weight loss ;). I got two sets of 20 today and had hopes of a third but ran out of steam. I did the missing reps but my hands had left my head by then.

It's been two weeks now since last injection so I'm about at the point where the synthetic stuff is running out but my own isn't really going yet. Libido down, which sucks, and I've lost some of that mellowness and contentment. I'm going to be running on anti-oestrogens and concoctions of herbs for a few weeks. I'll also be starting the creatine up again tomorrow.


Weights in Kilos, Last week in orange
ATF Squat
20x10, 30x10, 60x5, 90x5, 120x3, 140x3, 160x3
20x10, 30x10, 60x5, 90x5, 120x3, 140x3, 165x3, 60x8
Bench
20x10N, 40x10S, 60x5W, 80x3S, 100x2W, 115x2W, 125x3x3 W
20x10N, 40x8S, 60x5W, 80x3S, 100x2W, 120x2W, 130x3x3 W, 90x5 N for 2 sets
BB Row
20x10, 60x5, 85x3, 105x3
20x10, 60x5, 85x3, 105x3x3
Decline Sit-Ups
BW x 20, 20, 16
 
anotherbutters said:
Congrats as always! How long before you're natural test levels are back to normal? Quick enough to counter the ever increasing squats?
The process should be over within two to four weeks. As for the rest, I'll just have to see and keep trying harder. ;)
 
Sunday Weigh-In

124.8 Kg - 274.5 lbs

21st Feb 123.4 Kg - 271.5 lbs
26th Feb 124.4 Kg - 273.7 lbs
05th Mar 125.0 Kg - 275.0 lbs
12th Mar 126.8 Kg - 279.0 lbs
(19th Mar 125.2 Kg - 275.4 lbs)
27th Mar 126.8 Kg - 279.0 lbs
02nd Apr 126.4 Kg - 278.0 lbs
11th Apr 126.0 Kg - 277.2 lbs
16th Apr 126.6 Kg - 278.5 lbs
23rd Apr 125.4 Kg - 275.9 lbs
30th Apr 124.8 Kg - 274.5 lbs (today)

I got as low as 124.4 mid-week, which is about a pound less than today.
 
Week 11 Day 1 - Intensity Week 2

I felt better composed today with the weights and I didn't have that feeling of being weak. Maybe the long weekend helped but my days have been shunted along again. I'll probably adjust next week, which would be the equivalent of week 8 in a normal run: the first of the PR weeks.

Squats felt OK until I got to my three working sets. I just had trouble finding the groove and I suspect that I was out of it on the earlier sets too. The three sets felt hard but not maximal. 155Kg x 3 x 3 PR

Bench felt pretty good. I was faced with a choice of whether to bump by 2.5Kg for the top set or whether to bump by 5Kg and go for the three plates. I went for the three plates and only got two reps. I think the triple was within my ability and hope to get it next week. When I asked for help, the spotter took me literally and gave me a finger push through the sticking point rather than just helping me rack it. I think with a better arch and a bit more explosion it'll be mine next week. 140Kg x 2 PR

Rows felt better today than they have in a very long while. The last set left me dizzy but was never in doubt. 122.5Kg x 3 PR

With everyone playing with OH squats I thought I'd have a fiddle. It took a while to find any comfortable position and I did 3 sets of 5 with just the bar. This left me with slightly aching shoulders and a knee twinge. Maybe I'll leave these for another month.

Decline situps continue to improve but barely.


Weight in Kilos. Previous weeks in orange.
ATF Squat
20x10, 30x10, 60x5, 90x3, 120x3, 130x1, 145x3x3
20x10, 30x10, 60x5, 90x3, 120x3, 140x1, 150x3x3

20x10, 30x10, 60x5, 90x3, 120x3, 140x2, 155x3x3
Bench
20x10N, 40x8S, 60x5W, 80x5S, 100x3W, 110x1W, 120x3W, 130x3W
20x10N, 40x8S, 60x5W, 80x3S, 100x3W, 120x3W, 135x3W, 90x8N for 2 sets

20x10N, 40x8S, 60x5W, 90x3W, 110x3W, 125x3W, 140x2 W, 95x5 N for 2 sets
BB Row
20x10, 60x5, 80x3, 100x3, 115x3
20x10, 60x5, 90x3, 105x3, 120x3, 60x8

20x10, 60x5, 95x3, 107.5x3, 122.5x3, 60x10
Decline Sit-Up
BW x 20, 18, 20
BW x 20, 18, 15

BW x 20, 20, 17
 
OH's are definitely awkward, but once you find a good spot for the rack they'll come along. I found that I was held back most by flexibilty when starting, but now it's more an issue of holding my elbows locked hard while concentrating on not falling down :D

Good work on the PRs.
 
Nice PR's, Congrats on the 3 plate bench :)
What do the letter before the numbers mean ? N = narrow S = standard W = wide ?
I squated 180 for a single and benched 120 for a single yesterday :)
 
S - Shoulder/Standard: middle finger on first rings.

Thanks. Definitely the OH squats at first are all about balance, groove and flexibility.

Congrats to you, too. I'm hoping for a 180 squat before this run is over.
 
blut wump said:
The process should be over within two to four weeks. As for the rest, I'll just have to see and keep trying harder. ;)
usually it takes upto 2 whole months from the start of PCT before your natty test will stabilize. :worried:
 
Thanks for that.

I was planning to run the Nolva for around five or six weeks along with the AI, basically until my nolva ran out. I'm also taking trib, maca, ginseng, zma and extra 'good fats' to help the process along.

Should I get more nolva and keep taking it or just let my body sort itself out? It just goes to show: you think you've done your research and something else pops out of the woodwork.

I guess whatever I do there's going to be some homeostasis happening on stopping the supplements as my body fully settles down. Is this what you meant or is my schedule leaving me open to a crash?
 
blut wump said:
Thanks for that.

I was planning to run the Nolva for around five or six weeks along with the AI, basically until my nolva ran out. I'm also taking trib, maca, ginseng, zma and extra 'good fats' to help the process along.

Should I get more nolva and keep taking it or just let my body sort itself out? It just goes to show: you think you've done your research and something else pops out of the woodwork.

I guess whatever I do there's going to be some homeostasis happening on stopping the supplements as my body fully settles down. Is this what you meant or is my schedule leaving me open to a crash?
keep your PCT the way it is... there's not too much you can do. i know on the anabolic board they'll prescribe a whole lot of herbs/drugs. but IMO, what your doing is fine and will have your test levels pulled out of the ditch (where they were at the start of PCT). after PCT, your test levels will naturally stabilize. these things aren't written in stone, just a guideline, so be prepared for SLIGHTLY lower test levels if it happens... that would mean maybe more conservative target weights.
 
Ok, thanks again. I'll play it by ear on the weights and not leap too soon back into any type of volume phase. Maybe it's time I started looking at a Westside layout to see me through that period.
 
nelmsjer said:
Wow...3 plates for a double on bench! I'm still working on 3 plates for one, bro!
Thanks, man.

It's all a matter of perspectives. I look at it as an OK bench and a weak squat and dead, with the saving grace that at least I'm squatting more than I press. I guess I'm just another gym rat with a bench too big for his boots. We have one guy in his mid-fifties who does this weight for 8 reps and is just starting to slow down at the end when he probably has another one or two hard ones still left in him.

The three-plate triple has been one of those very-long-term goals of mine for about two decades.
 
blut wump said:
Thanks, man.

It's all a matter of perspectives. I look at it as an OK bench and a weak squat and dead, with the saving grace that at least I'm squatting more than I press. I guess I'm just another gym rat with a bench too big for his boots. We have one guy in his mid-fifties who does this weight for 8 reps and is just starting to slow down at the end when he probably has another one or two hard ones still left in him.

The three-plate triple has been one of those very-long-term goals of mine for about two decades.

Congrats on the 3 plate triple, form my prespective it's a serious bench press.
 
djeclipse said:
Congrats on the 3 plate triple, form my prespective it's a serious bench press.
Many thanks. If you don't mind, though, I'll save that congrats until I hit it. ;)

I only got a double.
 
blut wump said:
Many thanks. If you don't mind, though, I'll save that congrats until I hit it. ;)

I only got a double.


oops, sorry, I thought you hit it..

"The three-plate triple has been one of those very-long-term goals of mine for about two decades."

Don't mind me..

The thing is 140kg = 308lbs, which is more then 3 plates aside over here (305).
 
blut wump said:
Thanks, man.

It's all a matter of perspectives. I look at it as an OK bench and a weak squat and dead, with the saving grace that at least I'm squatting more than I press. I guess I'm just another gym rat with a bench too big for his boots. We have one guy in his mid-fifties who does this weight for 8 reps and is just starting to slow down at the end when he probably has another one or two hard ones still left in him.

The three-plate triple has been one of those very-long-term goals of mine for about two decades.


Well, focus on the positive BW. Compared to Week One Day One your killing everything. I think I may hit the triple in 2007 - late 2007.....

So.... how much GH is he on? :) We have a mid-sixties guy that is ripped and strong (225x5 w/no spot - he wouldn't think of it) - tells everybody about the GH his doc gives him and how great he feels. Not sure how many doctors he has giving it to him..........

Congrats on the progress.
 
Week 11 - Intensity Week2 Day2

Deads went well again. I still had some trouble finding my setup but better than most weeks. The higher start position seems to be helping. My grip was showing some signs of unravelling as I was locking out the last rep on the last two sets so I might have to use mixed soon or sort out the hook grip. 175Kg x 3 x 3 PR

MP went well. Maybe a shade easier than I expected.

Pulldowns similarly. Nothing to report.

I was pleased with the deadlifts. I have high confidence of getting four plates next week for three triples. Since my week got shunted again by a day, I'll be working out on Saturday to end this week and then I'll probably pad next week a little with days off as I push a little harder.


Weight in Kilos. Previous weeks in orange
Deadlift
60x8, 100x5, 140x3, 150x1, 165x3x3
20x10, 60x8, 100x5, 140x3, 160x1, 170x3x3

20x10, 60x8, 100x5, 140x3, 160x1, 175x3x3
MP
20x10, 40x6, 60x3, 70x1, 75x3x3, 20x12, 20x20
20x10, 40x6, 60x3, 70x1, 77.5x3x3

20x10, 40x4, 60x3, 70x1, 80x3x3, 20x20
Pulldown
12x10, 16x5, 20x3x3, 14x8
12x10, 16x5, 21x3x3

13x10, 17x5, 22x3x3
 
Nice work on the deads. I find that if my grip starts to go my whole form is way off, I feel like the bar gets too far in front of me. That's why I like mixed grip, I feel I can keep the bar closer to my body.

4 plates should be money. Although I thought you've done this before?
 
172.5 x 3 x 3 was my previous x3x3 PR. I've done 185Kg for a single. 180Kg was my last heavy dead for two singles before I broke my side during the Korte with two weeks still to go.

If my form is coming together then I might have some reasonable progress to come with this.
 
Week 11 - Intensity Week 2 Day 3 - Saturday

A good workout but I felt knackered by the time I was done. I almost feel like I'm starting to flirt with loading again which seems a bit premature. Either way, I'll only be working out Tu, Fr this next week. I think I could use the extra day of rest between the workouts for a week or two.

Squats felt good and the 150Kg went smoothly and I'm starting to accept mentally that I am capable of handling this weight. How I managed three reps on the 170 is beyond me. It felt heavy when I walked it out. I remember thinking before the last rep that if I went down again then I might not want to come back up. I'm learning ever more that it's just a matter of pushing and ignoring the strain. Sadly, I no longer have a 1RM on squats. 170Kg x 3 PR

Bench was fine but I'm not sure whether I could have gone for more weight. I reckoned this small jump from last time was sensible after failing 140 on Tuesday. Last time I worked up to this weight I only got one triple and a handful of singles so it was a relief to get the second set. I did a couple of sets of close-grip back-off at five reps. Bumping the back-off by 5Kg a session will soon have it registering close-grip PRs. 132.5Kg x 3 x 3 PR

I should have used more weight on the rows. The lift is recovering from the hiatus while I was sorting out what was the trouble with my arms. The bench left me feeling drained else I might have bumped the weight after the first workset. I'll add 5Kg next week. 107.5Kg x 3 x 3 PR.


Weights in Kilos, Previous weeks in orange
ATF Squat
20x10, 30x10, 60x5, 90x5, 120x3, 140x3, 160x3
20x10, 30x10, 60x5, 90x5, 120x3, 140x3, 165x3, 60x8

20x10, 30x10, 60x5, 100x3, 125x3, 150x3, 170x3
Bench
20x10N, 40x10S, 60x5W, 80x3S, 100x2W, 115x2W, 125x3x3 W
20x10N, 40x8S, 60x5W, 80x3S, 100x2W, 120x2W, 130x3x3 W, 90x5 N for 2 sets

20x10N, 40x10S, 60x5W, 90x3W, 110x2W, 120x1W, 132.5x3x3 W, 100x5 N for 2 sets
BB Row
20x10, 60x5, 85x3, 105x3
20x10, 60x5, 85x3, 105x3x3

20x10, 60x5, 80x3, 100x1, 107.5x3x3
 
That'd be cool: to finish on not only a 140 triple but also a 140 triple triple. I'll be pleased to keep adding 2.5Kg to my 3x3 bench.
 
soo...I'm pretty sure your moving almost double the weight I do...ohh boy.
 
Congrats on great squats, according to madcow's chart thingy your 1rm should be somewhere around 190kg
 
Thanks everyone. The support is much appreciated.

My 1RM before this run was 160Kg with belt which I doubt I could have hit when I started it. The 170Kg I set three weeks back when I managed only 160x4 and went for a 170 single to vent frustration. I didn't really expect it to last for long as a 1RM.
 
Sunday Weigh-In

124.0 Kg - 272.8 lbs

21st Feb 123.4 Kg - 271.5 lbs
26th Feb 124.4 Kg - 273.7 lbs
05th Mar 125.0 Kg - 275.0 lbs
12th Mar 126.8 Kg - 279.0 lbs
(19th Mar 125.2 Kg - 275.4 lbs)
27th Mar 126.8 Kg - 279.0 lbs
02nd Apr 126.4 Kg - 278.0 lbs
11th Apr 126.0 Kg - 277.2 lbs
16th Apr 126.6 Kg - 278.5 lbs
23rd Apr 125.4 Kg - 275.9 lbs
30th Apr 124.8 Kg - 274.5 lbs
07th May 124.0 Kg - 272.8 lbs (this one)

A day late. I just forgot to post it yesterday. My weight is still bouncing around a little and I was back up to 125.2 this morning which, for me, is typical fluctuation. The general trend seems to be downwards at the moment. I'm still eating pretty much the same as ever.
 
blut wump said:
Sunday Weigh-In

124.0 Kg - 272.8 lbs

21st Feb 123.4 Kg - 271.5 lbs
26th Feb 124.4 Kg - 273.7 lbs
05th Mar 125.0 Kg - 275.0 lbs
12th Mar 126.8 Kg - 279.0 lbs
(19th Mar 125.2 Kg - 275.4 lbs)
27th Mar 126.8 Kg - 279.0 lbs
02nd Apr 126.4 Kg - 278.0 lbs
11th Apr 126.0 Kg - 277.2 lbs
16th Apr 126.6 Kg - 278.5 lbs
23rd Apr 125.4 Kg - 275.9 lbs
30th Apr 124.8 Kg - 274.5 lbs
07th May 124.0 Kg - 272.8 lbs (this one)

A day late. I just forgot to post it yesterday. My weight is still bouncing around a little and I was back up to 125.2 this morning which, for me, is typical fluctuation. The general trend seems to be downwards at the moment. I'm still eating pretty much the same as ever.
the boys are still half asleep... give them some time and they'll be awake again :)
 
squats up and body comp probably changed a little bit,.. coming off isn't the most fun in the world so keep pushing and remind yourself even maintaining weights is a net gain.
 
Week 12 - Intensity Week 3 Day 1

I think I'm learning how to squat and not a moment too soon. I wasn't feeling strong today but that may be the saving grace.

When I did the set at 140Kg it felt a shade heavier than I expected. I only got a single 160 and had to dump the bar on the second rep. I was all ready to pack up and go home but stripped the bar down and re-loaded it to try again. I got the second rep this time and the third rep went up easy. This had happened to me before and I realised that I'd managed to get my hips through early. The next two sets were fine, concentrating on gettig my hips through at the earliest opportuniy and the rest of the rep is smooth sailing. 160Kg x 3 x 3 PR.

Bench felt ok and I thought I had a good chance of getting my 140 triple. The second rep didn't go well and I racked the bar rather than go for a third that felt hopeless. The spotter seemed to heave a sigh of relief so I'll not be using him again. The back-off close grip felt easier than I expected which, for some reason, annoyed me even more, as though the weights were taunting me. Only while driving home did I realise that I should have gone up by 5Kg. At least I consolidated my 140Kg double.

BBRow went OK. On the top set I failed to touch my abdomen. I'm not sure whether it's because I didn't explode well or because I was using a higher stance since my lower back was hurting. If this weight weren't a PR, I'd probably count it as a hit and I'll bump the weight next week regardless.

Since my back was hurting, I spent some time stretching rather than hitting it more with abs work. Some DIY adjustments ensued so I'll probably not need the chiro. I'll see how I feel tomorrow.

I was thinking on Tweakle's words of wisdom and reckon that any weight consolidated is progress. Treading water at this stage is no bad thing and I got a new squat PR which is the lift that matters.


Weight in Kilos. Previous weeks in orange.
ATF Squat
20x10, 30x10, 60x5, 90x3, 120x3, 130x1, 145x3x3
20x10, 30x10, 60x5, 90x3, 120x3, 140x1, 150x3x3
20x10, 30x10, 60x5, 90x3, 120x3, 140x2, 155x3x3

20x10, 30x10, 60x5, 90x3, 120x3, 140x2, 160x1, 160x3x3
Bench
20x10N, 40x8S, 60x5W, 80x5S, 100x3W, 110x1W, 120x3W, 130x3W
20x10N, 40x8S, 60x5W, 80x3S, 100x3W, 120x3W, 135x3W, 90x8N for 2 sets
20x10N, 40x8S, 60x5W, 90x3W, 110x3W, 125x3W, 140x2 W, 95x5 N for 2 sets

20x10N, 40x8S, 60x5W, 90x3W, 110x3W, 125x3W, 140x2 W, 100x5 N for 2 sets
BB Row
20x10, 60x5, 80x3, 100x3, 115x3
20x10, 60x5, 90x3, 105x3, 120x3, 60x8
20x10, 60x5, 95x3, 107.5x3, 122.5x3, 60x10

20x10, 60x5, 95x3, 110x3, 125x3 - Failed to touch
 
Congrats on pulling through with the squat. I know it can be difficult retrying a lift straight after a failure ;)

Commiserations on the bench triple. So close...! Fingers crossed for next week, eh?
 
blut wump said:
When I did the set at 140Kg it felt a shade heavier than I expected. I only got a single 160 and had to dump the bar on the second rep. I was all ready to pack up and go home but stripped the bar down and re-loaded it to try again. I got the second rep this time and the third rep went up easy. This had happened to me before and I realised that I'd managed to get my hips through early. The next two sets were fine, concentrating on gettig my hips through at the earliest opportuniy and the rest of the rep is smooth sailing. 160Kg x 3 x 3 PR.

Congrats on the PR. Mental toughness to load it up again and have another crack at it.

Expound upon 'getting your hips through'? Are you talking about driving your hips forward as you pass parallel or somesuch?
 
i can relate.
i understand the description, just cant put it to words right now. :)

its tucking your hips under, in my case, on the way up. otherwise you leave your ass back a bit and it seems like a gm squat. its different than a PL squat in that there is more hip action, with this its getting in a particular groove on the way up so the legs can be in prime position to push. kindof reminds of just before I do my second pull on cleans. the "double dip" as some say.
 
Pretty much so. Usually, I drop down and a bit back and then just try to stand up. Sometimes I find that I rotate downwards with my hips and then extend my quads to straighten. Very occasionally, I get a truly easy rep and I've not been able to explain it although there's been a nagging doubt in my mind whether I really went deep enough despite feeling sure that I had.

Since I'd been kind of alert for the funny hip movement which gives me a slightly easier rep, today I was in a position to realise that my hips had come through when I got an actual easy rep. I know it's a standard instruction to spread the floor and push with the hips but I think I now know what the instructions mean.
 
Introspective said:
What happen to wednesday and Friday, this journal still going ?
I've had problems with my right hamstring. Any kind of tensing of my core has been sending a tightness down the muscle. I've been doing home chiro and stretching out the muscle and I expect to be back at the gym tomorrow.

The last workout was on Tuesday so I wasn't intending another workout until Friday so I've just missed one workout although, by tomorrow, it'll have been six days between workouts.
 
It's been kind of building for a couple of weeks. I just didn't fancy trying to set deadlift PRs on it. I'm never going to get my deads down at this rate. :(

This was one of the reasons I finally ordered some weights for home (see Jim's thread here). I don't feel the urge to drive for 20-odd minutes and back again for half a workout but being able to go out to one of the stables twice a day would be no hassle.
 
My weight was 124.0 again this morning. I think I'll drop the Sunday Weigh-In now. It did it's job.

Over the past three months, I've gained about a pound and definitely lost my post-Christmas bulge. It might be time to start working on the paunch from the previous Christmas.
 
blut wump said:
I've had problems with my right hamstring. Any kind of tensing of my core has been sending a tightness down the muscle. I've been doing home chiro and stretching out the muscle and I expect to be back at the gym tomorrow.

The last workout was on Tuesday so I wasn't intending another workout until Friday so I've just missed one workout although, by tomorrow, it'll have been six days between workouts.

I see, maybe setting all those PR squats has bashed up your hamstring i know the squats hit my hams hard. Good luck at the gym.
 
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