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Not sure which one is worse but I had my lipid profile done a while back when i was on test and dbol. My total was just above 200 BUT my levels hdl was just as bad as yours.
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Blood work results after 12 weeks of 50-80mg var + 1g EQ + 250mg test
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Severe depression of high-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels in weight lifters and body builders by self-administered exogenous testosterone and anabolic-androgenic steroids.
Webb OL, Laskarzewski PM, Glueck CJ.
The effects of nonphysician prescribed, self-obtained, self-administered exogenous anabolic-androgenic steroids and testosterone on plasma total, high- and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol (HDLC, LDLC), and triglycerides were evaluated in 14 adult white men, 11 body builders and 3 power weight lifters. Lipids and lipoprotein cholesterols were quantified during active physical conditioning, both on (for at least 1 month, mean +/- SD 1.8 months) and off (for at least 4 months, 7.3 +/- 2.7 months) self-administered exogenous androgenic steroids. The subjects took 50 to 100 mg methandrostenolone daily plus weekly injections of testosterone 100 to 200 mg and nandrolone decanoate 100 to 200 mg per week. Mean (SD) HDLC on exogenous androgenic steroids, 29 +/- 8 mg/dL, was severely depressed, and was less than 50% of the consistently elevated mean HDLC when exogenous steroids were not used (61 +/- 14 mg/dL, P less than .01 for paired differences). During anabolic steroid use, HDLC was less than or equal to the age- race- and sex-specific 10th percentile in 11 of the 14 men, whereas while off anabolic steroids, HDLC was greater than or equal to the 90th percentile in 7 of the 13 men, and in the top quartile for 3 of the remaining 6 men. Mean LDLC was higher on androgenic steroids (150 +/- 44) than off (125 +/- 38 mg/dL), P less than .05 for paired differences. The ratio of LDLC/HDLC during exogenous steroid use (6.0 +/- 3.7) was nearly triple the ratio obtained when steroids were not taken (2.2 +/- 1.0), P less than .01 for paired differences.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 250 WORDS)
PMID: 6493049 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
The second study on D-bol is not as conclusive as the first one since other anabolic agents were used (test and deca).
Your LDL to HDL ratio is 23:1, that's amazingly bad. Your blood is essentially saturated with LDL to the point that it's depositing out onto your arteries. The HDL levels are so low that there's really nothing helping scrub that deposited LDL out. What were your trig's?
Do you have pre-cycle lipid values? Was your lipid profile good pre-cycle? If not you may have made a moderately bad (say LDL 160, HDL 45) situation much worse over the past 12wk. You can't just assume that you've had a shitty lipid profile for the past 12wk only. You need to cycle off now, even if your lipid profile was great 13wk ago. It wouldn't hurt to get c-reactive protein checked, especially if you don't know your pre-cycle values.
Do you have pre-cycle lipid values? Was your lipid profile good pre-cycle? If not you may have made a moderately bad (say LDL 160, HDL 45) situation much worse over the past 12wk. You can't just assume that you've had a shitty lipid profile for the past 12wk only. You need to cycle off now, even if your lipid profile was great 13wk ago. It wouldn't hurt to get c-reactive protein checked, especially if you don't know your pre-cycle values.
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thx9000 said:
For a matter of fact I've done a blood test before my cycle. Everything was superb before the cycle. Also please note that I had worse values than these values last year after a cycle. But they all resumed to normal ranges within 3 months back then without even using any OTC or RX things.
Wow I hope the var only cycle I am getting ready to do doesnt fuck my lipid profile that bad. Mine is excellent now with a hdl 72, ldl 74, ratio 1 and vldl 7.......Im 42 so dont want to blow it out to bad. I was going to do 40mg a day for 10 weeks. JA or others can you reccomend cycle length and supps/rx during the cycle to minimize the lipid effects please?
