Bill Starr's 5 x 5 program... Variation per Madcow2 (thanx) So here it is! K up now!

[WannaBeBig72]

Re: Bill Starr's 5 x 5 program... Variation per Madcow2 (thanx) So here it is! K up n

So should I proceed straight into the intermediate program? I'm just a little confused because on one of the earlier posts in this thread (can't find it at the moment) states that it is advisable to cut the volume if you are a beginner.

Re: Deads and greater strain on CNS... Is this proven? Just curious as to why this would be the case? Deadlift involve more of the human musculature then the squat?

Hmmmmmmm... So much to learn!

I think what Madcow means by beginner is someone with no prior lifting experience whatsoever (someone with no knowledge of any of the lifts). Maybe the squats 3 times per week is because squats is solely a lower body exercise and puts more strain on the lower body then deads. And your lower body is well half your body so that's the point of working it 3 times a week (the upper body is worked 3 times a week as well). And deads work both upper and lower.

 

[Yips]

Re: Bill Starr's 5 x 5 program... Variation per Madcow2 (thanx) So here it is! K up n

I think what Madcow means by beginner is someone with no prior lifting experience whatsoever (someone with no knowledge of any of the lifts). Maybe the squats 3 times per week is because squats is solely a lower body exercise and puts more strain on the lower body then deads. And your lower body is well half your body so that's the point of working it 3 times a week (the upper body is worked 3 times a week as well). And deads work both upper and lower.

Well I have prior lifting experience (1.5 years) and know how to perform all the major compound movements that are involved in this program. I guess that means im not a beginner then, though, if I do jump straight into the intermediate program I'll have to start with some minor weights.

I might try and search through the 50-odd pages and see if anyone has asked similar questions regarding beginner programs.

Thanks for your help.

 

[kethnaab]

Re: Bill Starr's 5 x 5 program... Variation per Madcow2 (thanx) So here it is! K up n

well, Mark Rippetoe has what amounts to the "beginner's version" of the Bill Starr 5x5.

check www.startingstrength.com for some more info.

as for the deadlifts, when you think about it, it is, basically, a squat done with a significant mechanical advantage. That, plus the fact that you are pulling it from the floor, are why it is recommended that volume be lower. There is a very good reason Westside rarely does the deadlift, specifically, and prefers to use assistance to get the pull up.

 

[blut wump]

Re: Bill Starr's 5 x 5 program... Variation per Madcow2 (thanx) So here it is! K up n

I think what Madcow means by beginner is someone with no prior lifting experience whatsoever (someone with no knowledge of any of the lifts). Maybe the squats 3 times per week is because squats is solely a lower body exercise and puts more strain on the lower body then deads. And your lower body is well half your body so that's the point of working it 3 times a week (the upper body is worked 3 times a week as well). And deads work both upper and lower.

I reckon that squats work pretty much everythng except the front delts and chest. There's good reason why it's known as "The King of Exercises". Deadlifts work pretty much the same muscles but the emphasis from active to stabiliser between the muscles is moved around. Almost everyone finds heavy deadlifts much more taxing than heavy squats and, correspondingly, harder to recover from. The program is built around the squats in a Heavy-Light-Medium manner. If your squat weight is climbing then you are getting stronger.

If you think about the muscles involved and the manner in which they are invloved then a combination of squatting, rowing, benching, overhead pressing and deadlifting works the whole body.

 

[curgeo]

Hey Cow!

You want to accept an email or a private message from an old friend?

It's been a while and I want to catch up (I have to brag about my new son.)

 

[blut wump]

Hi CurGeo, madcow's gone MIA again these past couple or three weeks. Guinness5.0 spotted a message on his geocities site which everyone here pretty much took to be a farewell message. I've no idea how you'd contact him.

 

[needtogetaas]

wtf blut youre on

 

[curgeo]

Nobody knows how to get a hold of him? Man things change when you haven't been around for a half of a year or so.

Cow, if you read this, shoot me an email when given the chance.

 

[Yips]

Re: Bill Starr's 5 x 5 program... Variation per Madcow2 (thanx) So here it is! K up n

well, Mark Rippetoe has what amounts to the "beginner's version" of the Bill Starr 5x5.

check www.startingstrength.com for some more info.

as for the deadlifts, when you think about it, it is, basically, a squat done with a significant mechanical advantage. That, plus the fact that you are pulling it from the floor, are why it is recommended that volume be lower. There is a very good reason Westside rarely does the deadlift, specifically, and prefers to use assistance to get the pull up.

Yeah, I have heard good things about this book. Might look into purchasing it. Have you got this book? Is it worth purchasing?

What assistance exercises do westside perform to get the deadlift numbers up? Lockout, SLDL, RDL, Quarter deadlifts etc? Just curious.

Thanks for you feedback.

 

[Yips]

Re: Bill Starr's 5 x 5 program... Variation per Madcow2 (thanx) So here it is! K up n

I reckon that squats work pretty much everythng except the front delts and chest. There's good reason why it's known as "The King of Exercises". Deadlifts work pretty much the same muscles but the emphasis from active to stabiliser between the muscles is moved around. Almost everyone finds heavy deadlifts much more taxing than heavy squats and, correspondingly, harder to recover from. The program is built around the squats in a Heavy-Light-Medium manner. If your squat weight is climbing then you are getting stronger.

If you think about the muscles involved and the manner in which they are invloved then a combination of squatting, rowing, benching, overhead pressing and deadlifting works the whole body.

Thanks for the clarification.

I knew the program was built around the squats but wasn't aware it was in a heavy-medium-light fashion. Is this just to avoid overtraining? I suppose squatting heavy 3x per week would take its toll on the CNS.

I haven't looked at the program in depth but from what I have read so far it appears to be pretty basic but would be very effective if utilised in a progressive manner.