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zen42

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Being strong is more than how much iron you can move. True strength is when you have the courage to do the right thing even when it is unpopular.

I'm seeing posts all over the boards about assaulting Muslims and Arabs. I'm also see calls for boycotting their businesses.

These people are innocent and they do not deserve this treatment just because they look like the terrorists. Like us, they are mortified by what happened and now they are also being treated with suspicion and are in fear for their safety.

We can do the right thing...shop at their stores, defend them when necessary and let them know you understand what they are going through.

Be strong...

Zen
 
You are right Bro. We are all angry and want revenge, but we need to target the right people. Many arabs and muslims work in the World Trade Center and were killed.
 
True Bro! We cannot attack innocent people, that is what just happened to us here! We need to stand tall and attack the man or men who are behind this and not the people who moved here to escape the horrors of the world in the middle east! All Americans, of all nationalities and race must unite and stand against the bastard who did this, and not fight amoung ourselves!
 
This is war!
Anyone that has anything to do with this must and will be punished by death.
As far as I'm concerned I could care less if we wipe out that whole region. I'm pretty sure that they would do the same if they had the opportunity.
Fuck them. I'm pissed and so is 99.9% of REAL AMERICANS!
So you ARAB Extremist sympathizer's can just kiss my ass.
And if you live in the US,
GET THE FUCK OUT!!!
Cause you're not fucking wanted here!
 
ryvor remember that most of the "real americans" ur talking about came to this land long time ago from europe... arab americans have the same rights that u have...
 
BigGuns2 said:
You are right Bro. We are all angry and want revenge, but we need to target the right people. Many arabs and muslims work in the World Trade Center and were killed.
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Exactly!!
 
arab americans have the same rights that u have...
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That pisses me off the most over anything.
Arab Americans, Hispanic Americans, African Americans, etc...
I'm of Spanish desent, but I'm AMERICAN point and simple.
My loyality is to the US of A! Period.

If you live here in the US, and you are a citizen, then you are an AMERICAN PERIOD!!!

All this crap about Arab American and all this other bullshit just pisses me off royally.

You need to decide where your loyalties are if you live here in the US and want to call yourself an American.
If not move the fuck on out!

Oh and if you want to get really technical the only true American's are the American Indians.
 
Gee Ryvor... seems like you and Babyfacedoc and a few others on the board have the same views. "Fuck 'em all."

I'll tell you what then... I'll bring over 10 of the children from the country responsible when we find out who it was... ranging in 1 month to 12 months of age. And, since those babies are also somehow directly responsible for the attack on America, all of you can bash their heads in with hammers because they "deserve to die", simply because they live in the same place as the terrorists.

And don't say because someone isn't wishing the death of an entire nation, that they aren't a "real American".

Fuck your entire mentality.

Yeah... skin the fuckers alive who did this. Fuck... give me the knife and I'll do it.

Children never deserve to die. I don't give a fuck where they are, or what race.
 
i think i am going to vomit...

Talk about being strong... I went to my anthro class at cornell university this morning (talk about a fucking brainwash) and I can't believe, CAN'T FREAKIN BELIEVE, that the lecturer had the gall to slam the US foreign policy and rag on george bush. I agree that bush ain't the brightest monkey, but it wasn't his fault this happened. she said that only the people who did this are evil - well i think the people that are harboring these fucks are just as evil. She went on to say how she would never die for a belief or a country... then went on to say the only person she would die for was her daughter. well i got some fucking news for her - if her daughter was in the wtc she'd be thinking differently. she was basically slamming everyone who has died for their country in order to preserve the FUCKING PEACE SHE HAS ENJOYED. GAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH! I can't believe all the little sheep in that class were just nodding along. Some peruvian girl was like "yea, the US doesn't help her country and its 90% poor - they only want to help people they can get things from in return"... while that is true, who ever said it was our responsibility to help every country that has poor people - they don't even want to help themselves half the time. I was seriously going to throw up in class because everyone was just jumping on the bandwagon and slamming the US. After what happened yesterday, i can't FUCKING believe that people could be so anti-patriotic. Does anyone love our country anymore? i'm shaking with anger writing this. I walked out of the lecture hall in the middle of this tom foolery as some puerto rican guy was using the open discussion to tell everyone how he and his country have been treated like shit by the us. you know, i'm sorry that the US has done bad things, but all in all this is a remarkable nation comprised of remarkable individuals. It is a nation that does have liberty as its cornerstone. If people can't come together behind their country after such a tragic event better than was displayed in anthro 101 at cornell commie university, then they should seriously think about all the people who have died for the daily freedoms they enjoy - if they believe these people were foolish to die for a cause they believed in, then they should move the fuck out of this free country and see how much freedom they can get elsewhere. This professor even went on to say that the american public is so out of touch with the government - i hate to break it to her, but that is by public choice. The fact is less people care about government today than ever, there has always been government coverup in the us, as far back as day one, what has changed is the public's attitude toward government - to turn the tables and say that it's the government's fault we are out of touch is fucking ridiculous. I couldn't stand this woman leading a discussion that almost seemed to condemn us more than the people who did this. I agree, using terms like "bomb all the ragheads" is completely immature and uneducated. What i didn't agree with was this woman telling a bunch of impressionable KIDS what she felt was right and wrong about fighting for what you believe in and dissing our country and its government. I doubt as many people felt as strongly as i did - i was the only one who left (seriously feeling sick to my stomach) - and it makes me ill that many of these kids haven't developed a strong sense of who they are or what they believe in and go to a fucking ivy league school so they can be innundated with crap like this! GAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH. I think my blood pressure is going to kill me any minute now.

In closing. I love my country. I love this board. I respect all you guys and feel that EF has provided a great forum for people like me to vent all the frustrations i am having, being in new york and having to deal with tragedy and now this stuff. I'm not reigious in the least, but nothing can really better summarize my hopes:

GOD BLESS AMERICA!
 
Unfortunately you're right. There are alot of professors in today's colleges and universities that hold the same beliefs as your instructor. It's too bad, its getting to be that diversity of opinion is no longer tolerated on college campuses anymore.

Zen
 
Yeah BBV, I agree with you, skin the fuckers alive who did this.
But you can't reason with the unreasonable.
Their will never be peace in that region, their never was and their never will be. Now instead of them killing themselves they want to kill us.
If a nation harbors or supports Terrorist's then they are also responsible. Most of those nations support those terrorist in some form or another. Whether it be by secretly supplying them money or equipment, by giving them sanctuary in their country or by turning and looking the other way. If the Arab nation's were really so "opposed" to these terrorist activities or really so "peaceful" then they would have caught and stopped these terrorist's along time ago.
Hence, I say wipe out the whole area. Because in some sort of way, they are all involved. And the only way to really stop this madness is to destroy the whole infrastructure.
You destroy Bin laden, and someone will take his place.
So take out as many as you can and hopefully they will get the picture.
 
zen42: a good book i can recommend on this topic if you're interested: The Shadow University: The Betrayal of Liberty on America's Campuses by Alan Charles Kors, Harvey A. Silverglate

i'm really feeling quite ill.
 
my personal favorite was the islamic jihad's statement: "we do not believe in killing innocent people."

Well, guess who's not innocent in islamic jihad's eyes: jews and americans. if these people are behind this, i agree that something very very drastic has to be done. BBV, i completely agree with you and appreciate your mature input on this. I think I'm starting to calm down. Now if i could only bottle this intensity and inject it 30 minutes before workout...
 
Not innocent people. Here we don't have that many fanatical Muslims, now I am calming down I realise that the majority of those that are not involved in the fanatical movement are, likely as not, appalled at what has happened

Having said that, if bombing Afgan and/or Iraq means that we kill a few innocent people, get the terrorists and make sure that they don't get ideas....

If this will prevent another 30,000 US / European innocent civilian people getting killed, then so be it.

Btw, I will NEVER forget those fuckers dancing an the streets of Afghan. Iraq TV celebrating. A lot of them would be willing to do the same thing themselves..... fuck 'em :mad:
 
Ryvor. That's a good point. I'm all against killing innocent people. But, if the country was supporting the terrorists, then they should be punished too. Those people's taxes go to the gov't, which in turn go to the terrorists. Therefore, the citizens are supporting the terrorists. However, our taxes go to our gov't, which then goes to gov't employees like Timothy McVey. So then it would be correct to say that we supported and funded the Oklahoma City Bombing. There are ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS two sides to a story. And both sides are always CORRECT. It all depends on what your opinion is. So don't think that your opinion is the right one. It's only right for you. It could be wrong for someone else. And if all men are created equal, than their opinion is worth the same as yours. So this is a very tricky situation. It's a lose/lose/win/win situation. Meaning both sides will kill people on the other sides (2 wins) and both sides will lose people (2 losses). So once again you're stuck with nothing and not knowing what the hell to do.
 
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I understand that these fuckers are as smart as a box of shit, and you can't reason with them. I understand that they teach their children to hate us from day 1.... but I don't hold it against those kids. The children only know what they are taught. I think a tactical strike, destroying any military facilities, troops, etc. is great.

Wipe the fuckers out. No problem. But don't take down the whole country. I understand there will be civilian casualties... it's war. And war has casualties. I'm simply stating that I don't believe anyone should have the mentality of wiping out an entire race or country.

If I had to choose their country being destroyed, or ours... of course I'd say theirs. Shit, my children live here, and they are my greatest concern. I just can't stand the mentality that states their entire race needs to die.

That is never the case.

And Julez... I agree... I couldn't believe the fuckers celebrating in the streets. It's sickening. Again.. I hold no blame to the children... they do as their parents do... it's what they are taught. We just need to take out the leaders. Those mindless fucks would be lost without them.

This truly is a sad situation.
 
Don't hold it against them that they are celebrating in the streets. Yes it is sickening, but it's their freedom of speech. If we hold that right against them, than we might as well give up our freedom of speech too. If we hold it against them, than everything we've told China about how bad it is for them to not let their people speak their minds, will be hypocritical. We were one of the first nations to see speech as a right, not a privilege. They were only expressing their right. ALSO, don't forget that they live in a totalitarian nation. They are only allowed to see and hear certain things on TV. They also are supposed to act in certain ways or they may be killed. They are prisoners in their own nation. We only saw a fraction of their country's responses. We shouldn't evaluate their whole nation on a few idiots dancing in the streets. We also shouldn't evaluate their country on what a few terrorists did. We should be mad at the terrorists, not the people that just happen to be living in the same area.
 
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I totally agree... again... I don't even hold it against the kids who were there... as they don't truly know better.

The part I'm against, is the celebration of the loss of innocent life. Their leader said he was against the attacks, and they even had their police come out to break up the celebrations.

I just can't believe anyone would be happy that thousands of innocent people were destroyed.
 
the parents as the children are brainwashed from birth to hate and belive that we the "american capitolist" are the devil! Yes I am upset but as I listed in my ealier post we must unite against the forces of evil...we do not need or will we accomplish anything exept more innocent deaths if we just attack without prejudice! We are better than that...we talk about the ability to reason, we should try it ourselves!
 
Right on, Columbo. You're absolutely right. If we simply attack for revenge, and to destroy, we become what they are.

America is so much better than that. I truly love this country. We can't bring ourselves to their level. To do so would destroy everything that we are.
 
Big Brother Val said:
Right on, Columbo. You're absolutely right. If we simply attack for revenge, and to destroy, we become what they are.

America is so much better than that. I truly love this country. We can't bring ourselves to their level. To do so would destroy everything that we are.
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You're exactly right!!!

Zen
 
Intramuscular said:
Don't hold it against them that they are celebrating in the streets. Yes it is sickening, but it's their freedom of speech. If we hold that right against them, than we might as well give up our freedom of speech too. If we hold it against them, than everything we've told China about how bad it is for them to not let their people speak their minds, will be hypocritical. We were one of the first nations to see speech as a right, not a privilege. They were only expressing their right. ALSO, don't forget that they live in a totalitarian nation. They are only allowed to see and hear certain things on TV. They also are supposed to act in certain ways or they may be killed. They are prisoners in their own nation. We only saw a fraction of their country's responses. We shouldn't evaluate their whole nation on a few idiots dancing in the streets. We also shouldn't evaluate their country on what a few terrorists did. We should be mad at the terrorists, not the people that just happen to be living in the same area.
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STUPID FUCK...You make me sick. How many American's do you think would be celebrating the loss of innocent life, whether it be in the middle east, china, Japan, Phillapeans, etc? NONE Why? Because we are a civilized nation (for the most part) and we care about human life and hostile killing. Someone should slap the shit out of you. Would you be thinking differently about people singing and dancing if you brother or father had parished in the attack? You want freedom of speech? Here ya go..Fuck off, you non-american, self riteous, piece of fucking shit.
 
IronFist, I understand the anger. I feel it too.

But Intramuscular is right. We can be sickened and hate what we see and hear, but speech we agree with doesn't need to be protected. It's the speech that we disagree with that must be protected. If we don't, we've lost the right.

He's also right about the idiots on TV, they aren't necessarily representative of everybody in those countries. There are good, honest and caring people in every part of the world.

To get back to the point...Target those responsible, but lets not go hurting innocents. Especially those in our own country.

Zen
 
Ironfist... I think you may not see everything he's trying to say. I do think there would be SOME people in America celebrating the complete destruction of their country as well. And would say "fuck it" to the loss of their civilians, because many people have a "you fuck with us, we fuck you harder" mentality, just because we're the big bad U.S.
Yes, we are more civilized... but not all of us think things through.

Those people celebrating the attack were shitholes... true. But that's not their entire country.

I think you came off a bit too closeminded to what he said.

Just my opinion.
 
Also, as Zen said, I do understand your anger.

I feel it too. It's very hard to contain. I also want vengeance. But only to a certain extent.

The difference between us and them is how we think, and what we do with the anger.
 
I know my point is a bit to the extreme, but I'm sorry I'm very, very upset by this situation. I've been in 3 conflicts.
Panama, Desert Storm, and Somalia.
I've seen many people dead, die, and killed. Many were the enemy shooting at us, some were the soldier's(and friends of mine) and some were the civilians. The worst part were the civilians.
While in Somalia, the were many civilian's killed, many more than what the media has reported. It was kill them or I wouldn't be here right now.
What do you do when you are being shot at by a gunman but he's hiding behind women and children?
What do you do when that gunmen shoots one of your soldier's and friend dead?
You have no other choice, but to shoot back.
Or you will die.
I have to live with the consequences of that day.
When you have to kill innocent ( I don't know how innocent they were because they were laughing at us because they thought we wouldn't shoot them because the were civilians) people in order to survive.
I don't think many people here have ever had to be in such a situation. It was the worst day of my life. I still have nightmares about it.
So if some civilians get hurt or killed in the efforts to eradicate this evil from our planet, then so be it.
 
I damn near punched a hole thru my T.V. when i saw all those ass-bags dancing in the streets in Palestine. I don't know how in the hell they could feel good about themselves doing that and knowing all the people that are dead. All the people in the streets deserve to die in my opinion. Anybody who celebrates mass death is a fucking moron.
And for all those people who think it's the US's job to support their little countries they're terribly mistaken. We have enough problem let alone all these countries bitching for hand outs. This world makes me very sick at times, and right now i think i'm going to puke. I'm moving to the moon where i don't have to deal with any of this bull shit.

PS ~ STEROIDS ARE LEGAL ON THE MOON, THAT'S MY RULE!
 
Normally I would agree with you, but not in this case. I say we bomb the whole nation of Afghanistan, I say this because they are training their young ones (starting at the very tender age of 8-10) to shoot weapons and become terrorists, These Middle East countries are backwards. Even the young innocent ones will grow up to be political extremists and will terrorize other nations. They are a bunch of brainwashed animals. They feel they are doing this for God, which is bullshit. Lastly, bombing the whole nation, will disallow even the young ones to grow up and become terrorists.
 
Ryvor... I totally understand your hate and anger. I feel it as well. I can't imagine being in the situations you have been in, and I understand that it's human nature that when someone hurts/kills one of your own, VENGEANCE is the first thought.

GQ... I understand what you say to a point. Granted, wiping them out would prevent some terrorism... from their country. But what about other countries? We'd have to wipe out a great deal of people... and even then, we'd have no guarantee. Terrorism will continue. It's how fast we destroy the terrorist groups that counts.

It's a hard, delicate situation. It saddens me that we even have to discuss this sort of thing.
 
Ryvor said:
I know my point is a bit to the extreme, but I'm sorry I'm very, very upset by this situation. I've been in 3 conflicts.
Panama, Desert Storm, and Somalia.
I've seen many people dead, die, and killed. Many were the enemy shooting at us, some were the soldier's(and friends of mine) and some were the civilians. The worst part were the civilians.
While in Somalia, the were many civilian's killed, many more than what the media has reported. It was kill them or I wouldn't be here right now.
What do you do when you are being shot at by a gunman but he's hiding behind women and children?
What do you do when that gunmen shoots one of your soldier's and friend dead?
You have no other choice, but to shoot back.
Or you will die.
I have to live with the consequences of that day.
When you have to kill innocent ( I don't know how innocent they were because they were laughing at us because they thought we wouldn't shoot them because the were civilians) people in order to survive.
I don't think many people here have ever had to be in such a situation. It was the worst day of my life. I still have nightmares about it.
So if some civilians get hurt or killed in the efforts to eradicate this evil from our planet, then so be it.
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I'm terribly sorry that you had to go through what you did. You are absolutely correct in everything you say. Certainly those who lived through Vietnan would agree. In war you cannot fight effectively without hurting innocents. Certainly if we go after terrorists in other countries some innocent lives will be lost. But it has to happen unfortunately.

However, in our country, we shouldn't target innocent people just to fulfill our need for revenge.

Zen
 
Zen what you said is very true......however....

I realize that our nation was built on the acceptance of individuals no matter race nor creed or whatever.....but it was this acceptance that allowed such a tragedy to take place.

Do you honestly think that an American could have breezed into a Pakistan airport.....took the plane captive.....and then crashed it into one of their landmarks....It would have never happened.

We as a people are hated across the globe. And when we are touched by that kind of hatred....sometimes its hard to be forgiving.

I hope that we can recover from the hurt and the loss....but its going to be hard for all.....Yeah, it's going to take much strength to do what's right....It's going to take alot of moral fiber and strength to know what's right in a time like this.
 
Let it be known that I will not accept any terroism on the moon! For those who do you will be punished severely!! Power to the people! :mad:
 
First of all, intramusular my appologies. I was too hasty in my response and neglected to read though your entire post.

Big Brother Val, I like your way of thinking. It is not the fault of the the people in these regions, it is the fault of terrorist organizations, which in my opinion should be wiped out. Kill them all. It would make their country a better society as well as pacify the millions of americans affected by this.

terrorists have no place in any society and should be erraticated. Not the innocent civilians. If the governments are aiding these terrorists after an incident this this, they should be attacked also
 
I totally agree with Ryvor and GQ Muscle...

We have to wipe out everyone who's involved. These countries are breeding terriosts and so they are part of the problem. George Bush will do a great job.
GQ, like yourself Im also from NY and had many friends and relatives who work in the WTC... Thank God they all got out before they crumbled. You have to be here in NY to see what kind of damage was done. Manhattan is basically closed down.. It's like a ghost town here. Something i have never seen before. You can walk down the middle of sixth avenue and won't even see a car driving down the road.

The U.S. will round up all the allies and will wipe out Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Algeria,Palestines and whoever else supports terriosts. We have to end this problem once and for all.
 
I'll tell ya what, My mind tells me to be civil, be rational, but my heart tells me to end the whole middle east. All they do is breed terrorists!! They are A danger to the whole world. I could hardly sleep last night knowing that these rats have nuclear power.

I'm having a hard time calming myself down, that post by M1cron1x had me in chills.


Fuck it. im pissed
 
Me too.. .We should wipe out the whole middle east. and take them over too.. This way we could fix the oil problem and once again we could sell gas at 99 cents per gallon.
 
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