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Bb'ers, do you go light or heavy?

layinback

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i have been through the spectrum over the past 12 years. i've gone heavy with
looser form and i've gone light with strict form. at times i've incorporated both
styles.

as a bodybuilder, i don't concern myself with super strength. i've been very
strong in the past and i aint slackin in that area now, but now my goals
are exclusively aesthetically oriented.

my experience has taught me that lower weight and stricter form, yield more
muscle in a shorter period vs. heavy weights. i still incorporate a progressive
scheme, but intensity and focus trumps heavy in my book.

all roads lead to rome and i'd love to hear what you guys do, you're experience
and results or lack of............
 
I go very very heavy. Few can keep up. I love the strength and raw power you get over time from lifting heavy. But I don't go heavy all the time, because it's dangerous, harsh on the joints and it lets you ignore good form. So I switch between both. But heavy is the way to go :evil:

Ronnie Coleman said: "If you can lift, then lift." He also said: "Life is too short to be small, so lift big."

Someone else said: "Go heavy, or go home."
 
I do both, but I rarely go below 5 reps.

I have been noticing my quads respond best to high volume training lately.
 
I find that progressive overload x high intensity and lower volume + higher training frequency = greater strength and muscle mass gains. I typically beat myself into the ground for 6-8 weeks training with high intensity and lower volume, but hitting each body part twice in an eight day period. I can keep this up for six to eight weeks then I will take a week off completely followed by two weeks of high volume low intensity "pump" training. I have made my best size and strength gains training in this manner.
 
I find that progressive overload x high intensity and lower volume + higher training frequency = greater strength and muscle mass gains. I typically beat myself into the ground for 6-8 weeks training with high intensity and lower volume, but hitting each body part twice in an eight day period. I can keep this up for six to eight weeks then I will take a week off completely followed by two weeks of high volume low intensity "pump" training. I have made my best size and strength gains training in this manner.

i've used this type training in the past with good results. lots of compound
work too.
 
When I followed a bodybuilding regimen I had my best growth going heavy most of the time. It wasn't unusual for me to cheat my last rep or two.

When I switched to a westside template though is when I felt I achieved some of my best gains. I believe using heavy and light days in the same week along with adequate work in the moderate range conditioned my body for faster growth.

If I had to do it all over again, after doing a preparatory basic strength period, I'd definitely use some sort of cycle theory of low, moderate, and high reps all within a short period of time. As it is, now that I'm approaching 51 and my hair is graying, I'm starting to feel self conscious about the weight I normally carry. Feels a touch pretentious and unnecessary. I'm not sure what I'm going to do.
 
I find that progressive overload x high intensity and lower volume + higher training frequency = greater strength and muscle mass gains. I typically beat myself into the ground for 6-8 weeks training with high intensity and lower volume, but hitting each body part twice in an eight day period. I can keep this up for six to eight weeks then I will take a week off completely followed by two weeks of high volume low intensity "pump" training. I have made my best size and strength gains training in this manner.

+1

I got more ripped, more strength, and more muscle training 2 bodyparts per week 7x week.

Currently I have been going the heaviest I can go for 6-7 rep range for 5 months, I am about to go lighter for 10 rep range for a month or so and see how that goes.
 
If you're purely for looks then higher volume is a better route, thats just a fact.

If you're looking for strength or any combo of strength/looks I'd say heavy weight on some of the core exercises. Here is my breakdown:

Chest: Heavy
Snatches: Heavy
Deadlifts: Heavy-- this is a must for everyone!
Squats: Light cause I've never really been consistant with leg workouts so they are lagging.
Arm isolation shit: Medium
 
I find that progressive overload x high intensity and lower volume + higher training frequency = greater strength and muscle mass gains. I typically beat myself into the ground for 6-8 weeks training with high intensity and lower volume, but hitting each body part twice in an eight day period. I can keep this up for six to eight weeks then I will take a week off completely followed by two weeks of high volume low intensity "pump" training. I have made my best size and strength gains training in this manner.

sounds like a DC style training.
 
I find that progressive overload x high intensity and lower volume + higher training frequency = greater strength and muscle mass gains. I typically beat myself into the ground for 6-8 weeks training with high intensity and lower volume, but hitting each body part twice in an eight day period. I can keep this up for six to eight weeks then I will take a week off completely followed by two weeks of high volume low intensity "pump" training. I have made my best size and strength gains training in this manner.

God that sounds so familiar!!! :D

This is exactly what I do, and I have had the same results as SL, in that I have had my greatest gains in the shortest time. I should also state that I am talking about being at a more advanced level and not as a beginner. We all know that a n00b can pack on 20 lbs. in just a few short weeks with pretty much any type of consistent training.

drsketch said:
I got more ripped, more strength, and more muscle training 2 bodyparts per week 7x week.

Yeah, but we are only training 3 days (not 7, good god!) a week on a 2 way split, and still hitting each bodypart every 8 days.

mwm5 said:
sounds like a DC style training.

It doesn't just sound like a "DC style" training...it is DC Training! :D
 
God that sounds so familiar!!! :D

This is exactly what I do, and I have had the same results as SL, in that I have had my greatest gains in the shortest time. I should also state that I am talking about being at a more advanced level and not as a beginner. We all know that a n00b can pack on 20 lbs. in just a few short weeks with pretty much any type of consistent training.



Yeah, but we are only training 3 days (not 7, good god!) a week on a 2 way split, and still hitting each bodypart every 8 days.



It doesn't just sound like a "DC style" training...it is DC Training! :D


do you get over trained with this regimen? in this type training isn't a bit
of over training desirable? do you incorporate rest - pause, negatives and
forced reps strategically? how long are the sessions?

i think i remember you saying that you are a tall guy (6'2 ?) with a difficult
time putting on mass. ecto? ceo, i am 6'4 and 100% ecto lol. every ounce
of muscle has come with blood sweat and tears lol. i love hearing from
guys with similar builds\challenges. btw how much do you weigh?
 
do you get over trained with this regimen? in this type training isn't a bit
of over training desirable? do you incorporate rest - pause, negatives and
forced reps strategically? how long are the sessions?

i think i remember you saying that you are a tall guy (6'2 ?) with a difficult
time putting on mass. ecto? ceo, i am 6'4 and 100% ecto lol. every ounce
of muscle has come with blood sweat and tears lol. i love hearing from
guys with similar builds\challenges. btw how much do you weigh?

The blasting and cruising protocols are to prevent overtraining. You're not always going heavy. Some people can go heavy for longer periods (10, 12, 14 weeks), some go shorter (4, 6, 8 weeks). I personally have found that for me, a 6 week blast with one week off completely, and 2 weeks ramping back up with slightly higher volume and lower weight/intensity is where I am happy and perform best.

I do rest-pauses on most exercises (not on deads!). I also use controlled, but not excessively slow negatives (2-4 seconds), and static holds on several exercises. Another thing that helps with recovery and avoiding feeling overtraining is extreme stretching (I've written on this here before).

Typically, with my warmups, exercises, and stretching, I can get out of the gym in 1.5 hours. It can be done in less time too.

I am 6'2" and have always been a skinny bastard. I have hyperthyroidism, which I am controlling medically and have been the last 4 years. That fought against me gaining any weight. Even with that controlled, I still have a very fast metabolism.

I am currently around 225-230. I was 210 in November, when I started DC (actually, I had just gotten over a cold and sinus infection, and had lost weight, but was back up to 206). In my first 10-12 weeks doing DC (and eating like DC advocates), I shot up to 218. Gained a bit more since then. I've been "cruising" only, and not blasting (no lifting heavy to failure and using the rp's, statics, etc.) since my baby boy was born on June 1st. I'm excited to get back to it soon and gain more. Let's see if I can hit 300 in the next couple of years! Hell, I wonder if I'll still think I am too small at 300? Probably.
 
The blasting and cruising protocols are to prevent overtraining. You're not always going heavy. Some people can go heavy for longer periods (10, 12, 14 weeks), some go shorter (4, 6, 8 weeks). I personally have found that for me, a 6 week blast with one week off completely, and 2 weeks ramping back up with slightly higher volume and lower weight/intensity is where I am happy and perform best.

I do rest-pauses on most exercises (not on deads!). I also use controlled, but not excessively slow negatives (2-4 seconds), and static holds on several exercises. Another thing that helps with recovery and avoiding feeling overtraining is extreme stretching (I've written on this here before).

Typically, with my warmups, exercises, and stretching, I can get out of the gym in 1.5 hours. It can be done in less time too.

I am 6'2" and have always been a skinny bastard. I have hyperthyroidism, which I am controlling medically and have been the last 4 years. That fought against me gaining any weight. Even with that controlled, I still have a very fast metabolism.

I am currently around 225-230. I was 210 in November, when I started DC (actually, I had just gotten over a cold and sinus infection, and had lost weight, but was back up to 206). In my first 10-12 weeks doing DC (and eating like DC advocates), I shot up to 218. Gained a bit more since then. I've been "cruising" only, and not blasting (no lifting heavy to failure and using the rp's, statics, etc.) since my baby boy was born on June 1st. I'm excited to get back to it soon and gain more. Let's see if I can hit 300 in the next couple of years! Hell, I wonder if I'll still think I am too small at 300? Probably.

thank you for that!!! 300 huh? you aspire to BIGNESS!!!

i'm 6'4, 242 @ 7%. i'm on HRT only, but my HRT is 400 mg test cyp, 100 mg
deca and 20 mg oxandrolone ED. i was on 200 mg deca, but too many sides.

seems i'm able to maintain these stats year round and i can drop too 5% bf at
will. my metabolism is crazy fast.

bro, with your hyperthyroidism, you could be scripted for oxandrolone.
pharm ox is off the chain....... there's nothing like it!
 
thank you for that!!! 300 huh? you aspire to BIGNESS!!!

i'm 6'4, 242 @ 7%. i'm on HRT only, but my HRT is 400 mg test cyp, 100 mg
deca and 20 mg oxandrolone ED. i was on 200 mg deca, but too many sides.

seems i'm able to maintain these stats year round and i can drop too 5% bf at
will. my metabolism is crazy fast.

bro, with your hyperthyroidism, you could be scripted for oxandrolone.
pharm ox is off the chain....... there's nothing like it!

Damn dude! That's more than HRT, that's a cycle! There's no way all that is scripted (maybe 200mg cyp is though)!

You think I can get ox? If so, I think I need a new endo! I can't see my endo scripting me ox. I'm already a medical anamoly to him (for a few reasons). You got any studies linking ox with hyperthyroidism? I'll show him and see where it goes!! LOL!
 
Damn dude! That's more than HRT, that's a cycle! There's no way all that is scripted (maybe 200mg cyp is though)!

You think I can get ox? If so, I think I need a new endo! I can't see my endo scripting me ox. I'm already a medical anamoly to him (for a few reasons). You got any studies linking ox with hyperthyroidism? I'll show him and see where it goes!! LOL!

yep, you'll need a new endo lol. i have a doc in atlanta and one in vegas.
trust me, lots of good (read liberal) docs out there.

oxandrolone is scripted for weight loss \ inability to maintain weight with
or without a physiological cause! google prescribing info for oxandrolone

i lost my spleen and the left lobe of my liver to a 38 hollow point. i'm prone
to infections and sudden weight loss. btw lots of docs prescribing test in the
300 - 500 wk range. deca is pretty common too. nobody manufacturing
nandrolone in the U.S. right now so you gotta have it made at a compounding
pharmacy. shit ceo my insurance pays 80% for my test , ox and deca!!!
good thing 'cause oxandrolone 60- 10mg tabs cost 1200 bucks lol.
 
yep, you'll need a new endo lol. i have a doc in atlanta and one in vegas.
trust me, lots of good (read liberal) docs out there.

oxandrolone is scripted for weight loss \ inability to maintain weight with
or without a physiological cause! google prescribing info for oxandrolone

i lost my spleen and the left lobe of my liver to a 38 hollow point. i'm prone
to infections and sudden weight loss. btw lots of docs prescribing test in the
300 - 500 wk range. deca is pretty common too. nobody manufacturing
nandrolone in the U.S. right now so you gotta have it made at a compounding
pharmacy. shit ceo my insurance pays 80% for my test , ox and deca!!!
good thing 'cause oxandrolone 60- 10mg tabs cost 1200 bucks lol.

Yeah, I'd need a new endo for sure. With my hyperthyroidism already being medically managed, he wouldn't see a need to script me ox. Also, I'm not losing weight, so I doubt he'd go for that either.

Maybe I'll just start my own compounding pharmacy, and you can buy your stuff from me (with your scripts, naturally)!

Of course any "mistakes" I may make in compounding :verygood:, I will have to "dispose of". :evil:
 
Yeah, I'd need a new endo for sure. With my hyperthyroidism already being medically managed, he wouldn't see a need to script me ox. Also, I'm not losing weight, so I doubt he'd go for that either.

Maybe I'll just start my own compounding pharmacy, and you can buy your stuff from me (with your scripts, naturally)!

Of course any "mistakes" I may make in compounding :verygood:, I will have to "dispose of". :evil:



we'd make a great medical team and we could proly share a cell
in the fedral pen:evil:
 
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Most days, I come into the gym with the attitude: "Lift heavy or go home"

my goal is to look the best in the gym. i haven't been a weight lifter in a long
time. my goals are purely aesthetic, but i appreciate your and others, quest
to go heavy. going heavy is much easier than what i do. super strict form and
high reps with almost no rest between sets can be debilitating.
 
my goal is to look the best in the gym. i haven't been a weight lifter in a long
time. my goals are purely aesthetic, but i appreciate your and others, quest
to go heavy. going heavy is much easier than what i do. super strict form and
high reps with almost no rest between sets can be debilitating.

I wouldn't say much easier ;)

I lift more weights in my workout than an experienced weighlifter, and yet I still use pretty good form.

My goal is to be the strongest person in the gym. Aesthetics mean nothing to me, but if they are there, it's a plus I suppose.
 
I wouldn't say much easier ;)

I lift more weights in my workout than an experienced weighlifter, and yet I still use pretty good form.

My goal is to be the strongest person in the gym. Aesthetics mean nothing to me, but if they are there, it's a plus I suppose.




come now........ you post pics and you didn't post lifts!!! of course aesthetics are
important to you.:)

and yes MUCH easier. next time you lift, take a weight that you can do 20 reps
with perfect form. take 5 seconds ( 2 concentric, 2 eccentric and 1 static ) to
perform each rep. 45 seconds later, do it for 15 reps then 12 then failure then
a drop set in 20 SECONDS!!!! now you only have 30 more MIND NUMBING sets
to go before you are finished lol. power lifting is a breeze in comparison.
i've done both traz. i had a 400 + bench, big deadlift etc...

if i put any weight lifter on this site on my bb'ing routine, they would collapse
45 minutes into it lol. even the boys with 500 lb bench and 700 squat.
it would take at least a month of reconditioning to even attempt it.

btw i haven't trained with anything heavier than a 65 lb DB in over 7 months.
 
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come now........ you post pics and you didn't post lifts!!! of course aesthetics are
important to you.:)

and yes MUCH easier. next time you lift, take a weight that you can do 20 reps
with perfect form. take 5 seconds ( 2 concentric, 2 eccentric and 1 static ) to
perform each rep. 45 seconds later, do it for 15 reps then 12 then failure then
a drop set in 20 SECONDS!!!! now you only have 30 more MIND NUMBING sets
to go before you are finished lol. power lifting is a breeze in comparison.
i've done both traz. i had a 400 + bench, big deadlift etc...

if i put any weight lifter on this site on my bb'ing routine, they would collapse
45 minutes into it lol. even the boys with 500 lb bench and 700 squat.
it would take at least a month of reconditioning to even attempt it.

btw i haven't trained with anything heavier than a 65 lb DB in over 7 months.


Bro, this is my typical workout:

45-50 mins of intense mind boggeling, blood rushing to the head, pumpin iron.

I do 8-12 reps on all sets.

There's something you have to understand abuot me. I lift very heavy, but I still do reps and I only rest 30 secs between sets. I have a very quick recovery....very quick. I come from a wreslting . martial arts / Track & field background. I wasnt always a bodybuilder ONLY.

However, I do love to lift heavy. Sometimes I cheat. Yes. Because I have noticed that when I lift 200lbs with the same form that I used to lift 150lbs with, I will grow....massively.

My weight are VERY high in the gym. Very high.

If you notice from my pictures, I'm not very "shredded" or "cut" for that matter. But I'm pretty Big. I have 18.5'' arms and a pretty wide back. My shoulders are boulders, but are not that seperated.

I love size / strength a lot more than I like the way I look.

No one notices a shredded guy when he walks around with his clothes on, but if he's a beast and the size of a tree, then people are going to look.

You wanna talk asethetics? I want to be able to look like a bodybuilder even with my clothes on, not just in the gym.
 
Bro, this is my typical workout:

45-50 mins of intense mind boggeling, blood rushing to the head, pumpin iron.

I do 8-12 reps on all sets.

There's something you have to understand abuot me. I lift very heavy, but I still do reps and I only rest 30 secs between sets. I have a very quick recovery....very quick. I come from a wreslting . martial arts / Track & field background. I wasnt always a bodybuilder ONLY.

However, I do love to lift heavy. Sometimes I cheat. Yes. Because I have noticed that when I lift 200lbs with the same form that I used to lift 150lbs with, I will grow....massively.

My weight are VERY high in the gym. Very high.

If you notice from my pictures, I'm not very "shredded" or "cut" for that matter. But I'm pretty Big. I have 18.5'' arms and a pretty wide back. My shoulders are boulders, but are not that seperated.

I love size / strength a lot more than I like the way I look.

No one notices a shredded guy when he walks around with his clothes on, but if he's a beast and the size of a tree, then people are going to look.

You wanna talk asethetics? I want to be able to look like a bodybuilder even with my clothes on, not just in the gym.

lol you haven't gone out with me!:)

a big bulky guy would be invisible standing next to me.

but arguing strength \ aesthetics is akin to arguing pepsi \ coke.
it's a matter of taste.

i am a white collar business guy. i pay a host of peeps to do everything
for me. shit, i don't wash my car, do my lawn etc....
i have no use in being super strong. heavy weights left my joints aching
and there's is the INEVITABLE injuries that accompany such practices.
i did however deadlift the back of my mercedes last week:D
my 11 year old asked me to try it and it made his day!
 
lol you haven't gone out with me!:)

a big bulky guy would be invisible standing next to me.

but arguing strength \ aesthetics is akin to arguing pepsi \ coke.
it's a matter of taste.

i am a white collar business guy. i pay a host of peeps to do everything
for me. shit, i don't wash my car, do my lawn etc....
i have no use in being super strong. heavy weights left my joints aching
and there's is the INEVITABLE injuries that accompany such practices.
i did however deadlift the back of my mercedes last week:D
my 11 year old asked me to try it and it made his day!

Good for you bro.

I come from a background, hell I come from a country where only the strong survive. I've been raised in a place where if you're not a wolf, you'll get eaten like the rest of the sheep.

Strength is something I grew up to admire. I was always the strongest out of my friends.

I'll post up pictures of when I decide to shred.

And don't tell me about a big guy being invisible next to you, you bastard :p you're 6'4'' and 240 lbs :p You ARE a big guy lol
 
Good for you bro.

I come from a background, hell I come from a country where only the strong survive. I've been raised in a place where if you're not a wolf, you'll get eaten like the rest of the sheep.

Strength is something I grew up to admire. I was always the strongest out of my friends.

I'll post up pictures of when I decide to shred.

And don't tell me about a big guy being invisible next to you, you bastard :p you're 6'4'' and 240 lbs :p You ARE a big guy lol

lol i'm big!!!! busted by the traz. well i'm a martial arts guy, boxer etc.... i've been
doin it for 30 years and you know as well as i do that strength and size have
very little to do with the ability to defend yourself. i was whoopin up on 250 lb
guys when i weighed 170 20 years ago! when i was 19 i had a job in *collections* i weighed maybe 165 soaking wet lol. i was sent to collect some
funds from 2 bodybuilders. these guys were prolly 230 - 250 each. they
said fuck you and i said no....fuck you. the fight ( all my fights) lasted 10 seconds.
aikido is some good shit that works in the real world.

i do understand what you are saying..... look closely at the pics in my profile....
i have wolf tattoos. one on my forearm and one on my shoulder. also notice
the bullet wounds, stab marks and other varied scars lol. all men admire
strength brotha. we equate big muscles with strength, it's universal.
 
lol i'm big!!!! busted by the traz. well i'm a martial arts guy, boxer etc.... i've been
doin it for 30 years and you know as well as i do that strength and size have
very little to do with the ability to defend yourself. i was whoopin up on 250 lb
guys when i weighed 170 20 years ago! when i was 19 i had a job in *collections* i weighed maybe 165 soaking wet lol. i was sent to collect some
funds from 2 bodybuilders. these guys were prolly 230 - 250 each. they
said fuck you and i said no....fuck you. the fight ( all my fights) lasted 10 seconds.
aikido is some good shit that works in the real world.

i do understand what you are saying..... look closely at the pics in my profile....
i have wolf tattoos. one on my forearm and one on my shoulder. also notice
the bullet wounds, stab marks and other varied scars lol. all men admire
strength brotha. we equate big muscles with strength, it's universal.

Agreed.

I've had my share of fights. Every single day before I came to Canada. lol
 
Agreed.

I've had my share of fights. Every single day before I came to Canada. lol

you have to stop fighting now, canadians don't fight lol:heart:

i hate fighting. i deplore violence. the victor only seems to win.
i still train, but it is a hobby and nothing more. i would only
turn to violence if i had to protect my family. personally, i'd
walk away from a fight.

it's like i tell Kathy, these muscles are for lovin':)
 
you have to stop fighting now, canadians don't fight lol:heart:

i hate fighting. i deplore violence. the victor only seems to win.
i still train, but it is a hobby and nothing more. i would only
turn to violence if i had to protect my family. personally, i'd
walk away from a fight.

it's like i tell Kathy, these muscles are for lovin':)

Where I come from, sometimes fighting is the only solution to the problem, and it solves everything. When he's not standing, there is no issue anymore.

However, since I came to Canada, I have become civilized in that sense :)

I used to be a pretty bad boy :evil:
 
Where I come from, sometimes fighting is the only solution to the problem, and it solves everything. When he's not standing, there is no issue anymore.

However, since I came to Canada, I have become civilized in that sense :)

I used to be a pretty bad boy :evil:

as we mature emotionally and spiritually as men, we must adopt a
better philosophy of life. i believe that fighting is for men who
can't come up with better ideas. i was one of those too.

it is almost acceptable in teenaged boys, but if it goes beyond that
then their are other issues. obviously it is dependent on social norms
and the such. in america it is socioeconomic. we don't have fist fights
in the neighborhoods i've lived in for the past 15 years. ( we would
hire someone to beat the shit out of somebody lol )
 
lol you haven't gone out with me!:)

a big bulky guy would be invisible standing next to me.

but arguing strength \ aesthetics is akin to arguing pepsi \ coke.
it's a matter of taste.

i am a white collar business guy. i pay a host of peeps to do everything
for me. shit, i don't wash my car, do my lawn etc....
i have no use in being super strong. heavy weights left my joints aching
and there's is the INEVITABLE injuries that accompany such practices.
i did however deadlift the back of my mercedes last week:D
my 11 year old asked me to try it and it made his day!

wow dude..........nice way to ruin someones thread on going light or heavy. Not to mention that made you look like an arrogant prick. I can only speak for myself, but im sure others are thinking the same thing. However, im the type of person to call you out on it. Additionally, the_alcatraz looks like a thick motherfucker. Judging by your avatar, im not sure you would dwarf him. Sorry dude.
 
wow dude..........nice way to ruin someones thread on going light or heavy. Not to mention that made you look like an arrogant prick. I can only speak for myself, but im sure others are thinking the same thing. However, im the type of person to call you out on it. Additionally, the_alcatraz looks like a thick motherfucker. Judging by your avatar, im not sure you would dwarf him. Sorry dude.

Damn dude... LB is a legit bro. A real OG and i mean OG! He is a vet and a board Mentor. I know we are all entitled to our opinions but yours could have been kept to your self.
 
wow dude..........nice way to ruin someones thread on going light or heavy. Not to mention that made you look like an arrogant prick. I can only speak for myself, but im sure others are thinking the same thing. However, im the type of person to call you out on it. Additionally, the_alcatraz looks like a thick motherfucker. Judging by your avatar, im not sure you would dwarf him. Sorry dude.

First of all, He IS the starter of this thread :)

Secondly, Layinback is a bad mofo as well and he's a good bro...He's a friend of mine and he got my back...I have nothing but respect for him

He is an accomplished man with a beautiful family, he's 6'4'' and 240 lbs of lean mean muscle and yes...he's pretty big as well...

He was NOT trying to mock me...he's a friend.

Please be a little more respectful to an Elite mentor....thnx
 
It's amazing how people perceive themselves differently. I'm running about 245-250 lbs at just under 6' and I still feel damn skinny. I was wondering how heavy I'd have to get before I feel like a medium size guy lol.
 
It's amazing how people perceive themselves differently. I'm running about 245-250 lbs at just under 6' and I still feel damn skinny. I was wondering how heavy I'd have to get before I feel like a medium size guy lol.

It's a bodybuilder's worse fear: the fear of smallness.
 
Sometimes other people's opinion on our body is more accurate than ours. Take the example of anorectic ppl, they see themselves fat, but in reality all they have is skin and bones, I know this example is extreme but i think i made my point.
 
Yeah, but I could be looking at a guy the same weight as me and feel small next to him. My 18" arms feel about 15 lol. At nearly 50 years of age you'd think I would have gotten over it by now because I'm not going to improve too much anymore.
 
wow dude..........nice way to ruin someones thread on going light or heavy. Not to mention that made you look like an arrogant prick. I can only speak for myself, but im sure others are thinking the same thing. However, im the type of person to call you out on it. Additionally, the_alcatraz looks like a thick motherfucker. Judging by your avatar, im not sure you would dwarf him. Sorry dude.

this is my thread noobie. btw check out my thread with jay cutler.....i dwarf him.

CEO is my pal, he pm'd me explaining his comments were not meant for me.

you need to be here a while before you start making assumptions.

trust me you will learn lol.

lights out knoxfan:heart:
 
Sometimes other people's opinion on our body is more accurate than ours. Take the example of anorectic ppl, they see themselves fat, but in reality all they have is skin and bones, I know this example is extreme but i think i made my point.

i only say i'm big because others say it lol. i look in the mirror and i don't see it.

i think it's called body dysmorphia. i consider it an asset as it keeps me striving
for more.

btw thanx for the props southernlord and traz. he's new........ i sent him a lil
gift. he'll learn his way around here:verygood:
 
i only say i'm big because others say it lol. i look in the mirror and i don't see it.

i think it's called body dysmorphia. i consider it an asset as it keeps me striving
for more.

btw thanx for the props southernlord and traz. he's new........ i sent him a lil
gift. he'll learn his way around here:verygood:

Elite mentors stick together bro :supercool
 
wow dude..........nice way to ruin someones thread on going light or heavy. Not to mention that made you look like an arrogant prick. I can only speak for myself, but im sure others are thinking the same thing. However, im the type of person to call you out on it. Additionally, the_alcatraz looks like a thick motherfucker. Judging by your avatar, im not sure you would dwarf him. Sorry dude.


Bro, LB is a beast. The only one who made themself look like "an arrogant prick" was you. Eveyone else in this thread are friends.

He was being arrogant at all. If you are around these guys more, you know who and how they are.

Next time, let's not be so hasty to "call someone out".

happy words!!!
 
Elite mentors stick together bro :supercool

when i was a newb, i didn't know how to take woots. i called his ass out and
he bombed me into the 12th century lol. we are now very tight. he's a super
cool canadian cat daddy, you just gotta understand his humor.

i'm sure this guy is a good broly and he saw an opportunity to do a lil
showboating. i'm cool with that:cool:
 
CEO is my pal, he pm'd me explaining his comments were not meant for me.

correct sir. I thought I saw someone being "Bigger & Better"...you know, the old one-upper. We all have at least one friend like that, right?
 
i only say i'm big because others say it lol. i look in the mirror and i don't see it.

i think it's called body dysmorphia. i consider it an asset as it keeps me striving
for more.

btw thanx for the props southernlord and traz. he's new........ i sent him a lil
gift. he'll learn his way around here:verygood:

Yeah it happens with me too, had some good comments these days and i wasn't so sure about it so I went for a measuring tape and my boys were right. :supercool
 
Bro, LB is a beast. The only one who made themself look like "an arrogant prick" was you. Eveyone else in this thread are friends.

He was being arrogant at all. If you are around these guys more, you know who and how they are.

Next time, let's not be so hasty to "call someone out".

happy words!!!

last week my wife said, " layinback, you have to stop the insulin" lol

boy o boy, that shit is ANOBOLIC!!!
 
I'll take the bombing as a compliment. I speak my mind a lot; and if I wasnt in here getting bombed or posting then i would just be another pussy ass troller. So, thanks for that.....eating humble pie....but thanks! Im in here to learn and if it takes me getting tromped on or doing some tromping myself, im cool with that.
 
Bro, this is my typical workout:

45-50 mins of intense mind boggeling, blood rushing to the head, pumpin iron.

I do 8-12 reps on all sets.

There's something you have to understand abuot me. I lift very heavy, but I still do reps and I only rest 30 secs between sets. I have a very quick recovery....very quick. I come from a wreslting . martial arts / Track & field background. I wasnt always a bodybuilder ONLY.

However, I do love to lift heavy. Sometimes I cheat. Yes. Because I have noticed that when I lift 200lbs with the same form that I used to lift 150lbs with, I will grow....massively.

My weight are VERY high in the gym. Very high.

If you notice from my pictures, I'm not very "shredded" or "cut" for that matter. But I'm pretty Big. I have 18.5'' arms and a pretty wide back. My shoulders are boulders, but are not that seperated.

I love size / strength a lot more than I like the way I look.

No one notices a shredded guy when he walks around with his clothes on, but if he's a beast and the size of a tree, then people are going to look.

You wanna talk asethetics? I want to be able to look like a bodybuilder even with my clothes on, not just in the gym.

For the mass you have you're pretty cut.

I think both have their place in training. Either one of you guys would dwarf me.
 
I'll take the bombing as a compliment. I speak my mind a lot; and if I wasnt in here getting bombed or posting then i would just be another pussy ass troller. So, thanks for that.....eating humble pie....but thanks! Im in here to learn and if it takes me getting tromped on or doing some tromping myself, im cool with that.

i'll let you know this isn't how EF works anymore bro. We are not here to get snappy, touchy, or spout off on others. Keep your cool and if you have a problem with someone PM them. If you are doing something to get bombed or threatened to be bombed, then i suggest you rethink your approach to socializing in the lifting section. That shit flies in the chat section, but not here. We are all here to help/learn from each other.
 
I'll take the bombing as a compliment. I speak my mind a lot; and if I wasnt in here getting bombed or posting then i would just be another pussy ass troller. So, thanks for that.....eating humble pie....but thanks! Im in here to learn and if it takes me getting tromped on or doing some tromping myself, im cool with that.

welcome to the board bro! lots of knowledgeable peeps and fantastic discord.
we are all here to learn, share knowledge and help \ get helped. there are
some STRONG personalities here but what do you expect from a juicer board
populated with know it all bodybuilders with god complexes?:supercool
 
possibly.

IMO, the only other compound more anabloic is semen. Whole people grow from that shit!

all the insulin in the world will do you no good without food. I'd say food trumps all.
 
all the insulin in the world will do you no good without food. I'd say food trumps all.

very true

Howeer, if you are eating very well, and you're an experienced bodybuilder with years of aas under your belt, insulin is without a doubt the most anabolic substance out there IMO

I am not advocating it, ithink its stupid to use it if you dont make money off of competing in bodybuilding...too much of a hazard
 
Bro, this is my typical workout:

45-50 mins of intense mind boggeling, blood rushing to the head, pumpin iron.

I do 8-12 reps on all sets.

There's something you have to understand abuot me. I lift very heavy, but I still do reps and I only rest 30 secs between sets. I have a very quick recovery....very quick. I come from a wreslting . martial arts / Track & field background. I wasnt always a bodybuilder ONLY.

However, I do love to lift heavy. Sometimes I cheat. Yes. Because I have noticed that when I lift 200lbs with the same form that I used to lift 150lbs with, I will grow....massively.

My weight are VERY high in the gym. Very high.

If you notice from my pictures, I'm not very "shredded" or "cut" for that matter. But I'm pretty Big. I have 18.5'' arms and a pretty wide back. My shoulders are boulders, but are not that seperated.

I love size / strength a lot more than I like the way I look.

No one notices a shredded guy when he walks around with his clothes on, but if he's a beast and the size of a tree, then people are going to look.

You wanna talk asethetics? I want to be able to look like a bodybuilder even with my clothes on, not just in the gym.

Bro do you always use just 30 seconds rest between sets no matter what the movement?? :freak:

Also do you always keep the reps 8 and above regardless of the movement?

It is obviously working wonders for your physique, but I cannot even fathom how you can keep up such a furious pace!!!

I too come from a martial arts background but I can't even imagine myself using just 30 seconds rest for movements like deadlifts!!! If I used such low rest I would have to reduce the weight so much that I wouldn't feel any deep stimulation. Your gas tank obviously refuels about 10 times faster than mine!! :D
 
I use light to medium weights with very little rest too. I do alot of sets though, 25-30 for my shoulders for instance with six different exercises/movements for them. I take really short rests, some as short as 30 seconds but if it's a power movement, like benching I rest a little longer, still shorter than most guys do. I get an amazing pump from my workouts and I'm pretty cut.
 
LB, you look lean bro - from your avatar and the previous avatar you looked about 6 ft 195 - nice genetics!! You must be built lime Arlovski dude!

Question - do you do most of your excercises in the 20 reps,15, 12, drop?
 
LB, you look lean bro - from your avatar and the previous avatar you looked about 6 ft 195 - nice genetics!! You must be built lime Arlovski dude!

Question - do you do most of your excercises in the 20 reps,15, 12, drop?

i am 6'4 242 and 7% bf. my avatars are very misleading lol. look for my thread with jay cutler. when you can reference me next to another big guy, you'll see
the difference and believe me, jay is big!!!

i work in three different rep ranges. high ( 15 20 ) mid ( 10 - 12 ) and norm bb'ing ( 7 - 9 )
 
Bro do you always use just 30 seconds rest between sets no matter what the movement?? :freak:

Also do you always keep the reps 8 and above regardless of the movement?

It is obviously working wonders for your physique, but I cannot even fathom how you can keep up such a furious pace!!!

I too come from a martial arts background but I can't even imagine myself using just 30 seconds rest for movements like deadlifts!!! If I used such low rest I would have to reduce the weight so much that I wouldn't feel any deep stimulation. Your gas tank obviously refuels about 10 times faster than mine!! :D

Depending on the movement and the weights, my rest period could extend to 1 min. Sometimes more on power exercises.

I do 1-2 rep presses sometimes to gain strength, so it's not always 8 reps bro...on some days, I decide to do 6 reps only, and on others I hit 12 reps min.

I don't like my body getting used to one thing.
 
I tried Omega's chest routing tonight. OMG that was Awesome pumps tho - I find it hard to believe that this can gain me as much lean mass as lifting heavy. Guess I am just indoctrinated with the old school lift heavy mentality.

Have other bro's made serious gains with this type of high rep/high intensity routine?

Chime in EF brothers!
 
^^^^ With the omega chest routine I went from a incline PR of 105 x 6 Dbs to 125 x 6 in 5 weeks (i wouldn't even know this but my curiosity got the best of me)

This is a great thread, just going to listen and learn. Thanks LB, CEO, ALC and everyone else for spreading some great knowledge.
 
I just do moderate weight most of the time, I tend to put some light rarely same goes for heavy. I like the pump from doing more reps.
 
This isn't Rocket Surgery!...:lmao: You gotta mix it up.
I think we all agree on that. So just about the time your body is getting used to a routine, say 90 days, switch everything up, in order to confuse your muscles and CNS into having to adapt. Or alternate every other workout. Heavy. Light. Heavy. Light.
That's the only way to keep growing, IMO.
 
This isn't Rocket Surgery!...:lmao: You gotta mix it up.
I think we all agree on that. So just about the time your body is getting used to a routine, say 90 days, switch everything up, in order to confuse your muscles and CNS into having to adapt. Or alternate every other workout. Heavy. Light. Heavy. Light.
That's the only way to keep growing, IMO.

Though I do alternate between very heavy periods of training and much lighter periods for a shorter time while I am building back up to another heavy burst, I disagree that routines should be switched up often. The only time I switch out an exercise is when I can no longer progress on it (when I cannot add more weight to the bar for the same reps I did last time, or do a few more reps at the same weight as last time).

As for switching out my routine, I have stayed with the same routine for 10 months, and even though I just came off a 3 month layoff of mostly lighter lifting, including probably 4-5 weeks off altogether in that time due to having a baby...I have gained about 20 lbs of lean mass in about 6 months of effort. This was after having been stalled on gains for a year. I haven't done any cycles either.

I think most poeple "mix it up" too often. They keep changing their routines and wonder why they're the same weight or only 5 lbs heavier than they were a year ago. How do they measure progression? They usually don't.

You're right, this ISN'T rocket science!!! No matter what Flex magazine or some "bodybuilding guru" tells you. Most people make the mistake of overanalyzing and second guessing themselves, and do one routine one month and Flex magazine's routine the next month, and something else they found online the month after. How the hell do you know what's working if you keep switching it every month?

Most of these guys barely grow, if at all...or they load up on a bunch of steroids and in two years and 5 cycles later, they've managed to gain a net of 25 lbs. Now instead of 6' tall, 175 lbs, they're 6' tall, and 200 lbs! What a waste! They could've saved the gear and just eaten more and trained right and got their 25 lbs in probably 12 to 18 months.

Bodybuilding is about progression. Keep progressing at an exercise or a program until you cannot progress anymore. Then, find a new exercise (for that bodypart) and progress at it until you cannot progress anymore, then go back to the old exercise and you'll find you can blow away your old best effort.

Think about it this way, if you were able to add just 5 lbs. to your bench press every week, in a year (52 weeks), you'd be pressing 260 lbs. more than you could a year before. So if your 5 rep max was 200 lbs., your new 5 rep max would be 460! But maybe you took a week off every 8 weeks, and another week off at christmas, so you only had 46 weeks of 5 lb. progression on your bench. So, instead of a 5RM of 460, your 5RM is 430. You suck! :D Wouldn't you just hate to add another 230 lbs. to your bench in a year? Inch by inch. Those 2.5 lb. plates are your best friends in the gym. That progression would probably equate to another inch to inch and a half of thickness (new muscle) on your chest!

Think I am lying? Go out and try it! Prove me wrong! Even if you didn't add 230 lbs. to your bench in a year, I bet you'd get a hell of a lot bigger doing it this way than whatever way you were doing it.

(the "you's" in this post are not directed at anyone in particular (even though I replied to your post, halfcenturian), I'm just talking to anyone who's listening and hopefully someone learns something)
:)
 
I think a large part of "progressing" is learning to listen to your body and seeing how your body reacts to diff. training methods.
 
I think a large part of "progressing" is learning to listen to your body and seeing how your body reacts to diff. training methods.

Not really what I was talking about at all. Pretty much the opposite. Sounds like you're just trying to justify changing a routine every 30/60/90 days. Hey, if it's working for you, awesome! It doesn't work for 99% of gymgoers.
 
Not really what I was talking about at all. Pretty much the opposite. Sounds like you're just trying to justify changing a routine every 30/60/90 days. Hey, if it's working for you, awesome! It doesn't work for 99% of gymgoers.

No that comment was not directed towards your post. I am not attempting to justify anything, hence the attitude, if it works for you then stick with it.
 
The best way to develop though training is progressive overload, even if it is just 2-5 more pounds per workout or one more rep. If you are patient and disciplined you will go far!
 
The best way to develop though training is progressive overload, even if it is just 2-5 more pounds per workout or one more rep. If you are patient and disciplined you will go far!

yep. as CEO has stated, progressive weights are the bread and butter of
all routines. lots of folks confused about muscle confusion lol. you gotta
stick with a routine for a while and up the weight even if it's just a lil bit.
 
yep. as CEO has stated, progressive weights are the bread and butter of
all routines. lots of folks confused about muscle confusion lol. you gotta
stick with a routine for a while and up the weight even if it's just a lil bit.

+1000000000000000

It's these small increases... 5 pounds here, two reps there that really add up over the course of a year(s) which give you results. Not constantly changing your program chasing gains. Also keeping a training journal can make a huge difference in your results. Not knowing what you did last workout and then winging it for your next is not a smart way to train. How many lifters are guilty of this?
 
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It's these small increases... 5 pounds here, two reps there that really add up over the course of a year(s) which give you results. Not constantly changing your program chasing gains. Also keeping a training journal can make a huge difference in your results. Not knowing what you did last workout and then winging it for your next is not a smart way to train. How many lifters are guilty of this?

Guilty!

After reading all of this and some of SL's past posts i've been researching DC training. I read some of the stickies over at the "dogpound" and have been working on getting the basic concepts down.

Does anyone have a spreadsheet that they use to calculate and track progression for your workouts? It looks like keeping a logbook and seeing the progression is the key.

Thanks!
 
Guilty!

After reading all of this and some of SL's past posts i've been researching DC training. I read some of the stickies over at the "dogpound" and have been working on getting the basic concepts down.

Does anyone have a spreadsheet that they use to calculate and track progression for your workouts? It looks like keeping a logbook and seeing the progression is the key.

Thanks!

pm me bro, i'll hook ya up
 
Guilty!

After reading all of this and some of SL's past posts i've been researching DC training. I read some of the stickies over at the "dogpound" and have been working on getting the basic concepts down.

Does anyone have a spreadsheet that they use to calculate and track progression for your workouts? It looks like keeping a logbook and seeing the progression is the key.

Thanks!

Oh Man... i don't recommend this program to many, but you are an advanced athlete and I bet you would love it. If you decide to try it out make sure you have read all those stickies at least 17 times lol. This program is all or nothing and should be followed to the tee.

Also as far as spreadsheets I am old school on this one. I keep my training log in an actual notebook. MWM5 asked my for a copy of my split and I had to type it all out for him lol. He has a spreadsheet I am sure.
 
I've heard about DC and read a brief article here or there but now thanks to EF i actually know guys doing it. I'm just soaking up all of this info right now. But yeah SL, it looks right up my alley. I love going all out and having a purple head sometimes having to lay down and watch the ceiling spin after deadlifts. If i go that hard later on when i'm relaxing the buzz is almost drug like (I quit that shit a few years back)

I like the concept of the deep breaths. I practice zazen and i'm training in a lot of different breathing techniques. I've incorporated some of it in my routines and have gotten great results. For instance contracting the lower abdominal muscles to exhale and then just relaxing them and allowing them to expand to fill your lungs on the inhale allows your to really fill your body with oxygen with the least amount of effort. Maintaining this style throughout a set has allowed me to get more reps in. (much practice is needed to get the feel of this)

The far extreme of this is fast high chest breathing that causes you to wind fast and can kill a set. I think many people don't realize that it is their lack of oxygen and not muscle or strength that causes them to fail more quickly.
 
Progressive overload is a great idea, but if I could add 2 lbs on every workout, I'd be benching 3000 lbs in two years. It doesn't happen that way.
 
Progressive overload is a great idea, but if I could add 2 lbs on every workout, I'd be benching 3000 lbs in two years. It doesn't happen that way.

2 lbs a week = 3000 lbs?

Care to show me the math on that one?

Dude...seriously... :rolleyes:
 
Progressive overload is a great idea, but if I could add 2 lbs on every workout, I'd be benching 3000 lbs in two years. It doesn't happen that way.

This is so far out in left fucking field it just looks absurd bro. Why don't you make a relevant reply to my post instead of a ridiculous one?

I gave the example of 46 weeks of 5 lb. progression on your bench in a 52 week period. That would add 230 lbs to someone's bench in a year. I think that is possible...especially if you're not too much of an advanced lifter (like most reading here). Even if you are a fairly advanced lifter, I think it's believable to add 150-200 lbs. to your bench in a year. Obviously there will be a point where you just cannot progress, but most reading this are FAR from that point.
 
No offense, but this thread could be really good if it stayed on topic.

So....do bodybuilders go light, or heavy? I seem to have reached a bit of a strength plateau, so should I go higher rep, less rest, lower weight for six weeks to grow muscle? Frankly, I could care less about lots of strength. I want to look good with bigger muscles. What is the best way to do that?
 
No offense, but this thread could be really good if it stayed on topic.

So....do bodybuilders go light, or heavy? I seem to have reached a bit of a strength plateau, so should I go higher rep, less rest, lower weight for six weeks to grow muscle? Frankly, I could care less about lots of strength. I want to look good with bigger muscles. What is the best way to do that?

As you can see from reading the posts in this thread, there are differing views/beliefs as to what is the best way. It also depends on what level of size and thickness you want to achieve.

I am going to use a couple of pics I saw used in a similar arguement on another site. Here are two very good competitors who train differently. Tell me which one you think lifts as much heavy iron as possible and which one goes lighter (more traditional BB'er style routine). Then, ask yourself which one you'd rather look like.

2ezk5eq.jpg
e83d5s.jpg
 
As you can see from reading the posts in this thread, there are differing views/beliefs as to what is the best way. It also depends on what level of size and thickness you want to achieve.

I am going to use a couple of pics I saw used in a similar arguement on another site. Here are two very good competitors who train differently. Tell me which one you think lifts as much heavy iron as possible and which one goes lighter (more traditional BB'er style routine). Then, ask yourself which one you'd rather look like.

2ezk5eq.jpg
e83d5s.jpg

Being admittedly uninformed, I would guess the guy on the right lifts heavy. I would rather look like the guy on the right.
 
This is so far out in left fucking field it just looks absurd bro. Why don't you make a relevant reply to my post instead of a ridiculous one?

I gave the example of 46 weeks of 5 lb. progression on your bench in a 52 week period. That would add 230 lbs to someone's bench in a year. I think that is possible...especially if you're not too much of an advanced lifter (like most reading here). Even if you are a fairly advanced lifter, I think it's believable to add 150-200 lbs. to your bench in a year. Obviously there will be a point where you just cannot progress, but most reading this are FAR from that point.

Ed Coan goes even further on this. He gave a high value interview to M&F 5 years ago. He said that you should try to lift more 5lbs per month and even if you reach that amount on the first week of the month you should try to do more reps, work the technique and only increase again next month. This is valide for newbies, intermediates and advanced lifters.

For those who don't know Ed Coan is please check the link below:

Powerlifting Heads-Up Ed Coan
 
2 lbs a week = 3000 lbs?

Care to show me the math on that one?

Dude...seriously... :rolleyes:

I said 2 lbs a workout, considering I'm doing chest twice a week, that's 4 lbs a week. In 52 weeks a year, that's 208 lbs a year. In 2 years, my bench press weight will increase by 416 lbs??

Yeh, that's likely to happen...
 
This is so far out in left fucking field it just looks absurd bro. Why don't you make a relevant reply to my post instead of a ridiculous one?

I gave the example of 46 weeks of 5 lb. progression on your bench in a 52 week period. That would add 230 lbs to someone's bench in a year. I think that is possible...especially if you're not too much of an advanced lifter (like most reading here). Even if you are a fairly advanced lifter, I think it's believable to add 150-200 lbs. to your bench in a year. Obviously there will be a point where you just cannot progress, but most reading this are FAR from that point.

It is impossible to add 200lbs of bench press for me in a year.

I bench 405 lbs. You want me to bench 605 lbs in a year?!

That's rediculous.

And yes, I am an advanced lifter...

How many people do you know that can bench 405 lbs?

If you show me someone that has just started and can bench 200 lbs, then I'd say, sure he can increase his bench press weights by 150-200 lbs in year....but hink a little outside the box and realise that not all bodybuilders / lifters bench the same weight, so according to your level, you might not be able to incease your benching by 200lbs in a year...
 
I said 2 lbs a workout, considering I'm doing chest twice a week, that's 4 lbs a week. In 52 weeks a year, that's 208 lbs a year. In 2 years, my bench press weight will increase by 416 lbs??

Yeh, that's likely to happen...

So not quite 3000 then?

I knew your math skills were better than that. :evil:

As far as the other stuff...the example I gave is still just as valid...MAYBE NOT TO YOU...but still as valid to many others reading here...as I said. Like I said bro, there will come a poit where someone will either not be able to progress much further or any further at all eventually (due to varying possible factors).

I don't know how many people bench 405. I don't max out on bench, and I don't go around asking others what they bench. I don't really care. I do know several guys that look like they could do 405.

How do you know it's impossible for you to add 200 lbs on your bench in a year bro? Have you tried it yet? You can't say it's not possible. If you trained for it and maybe worked with someone who's done it and could show you how, maybe you could do it...if that's what you want. Until then, you can't prove that it's impossible.

Sorry if it seemed like I was flying off the handle, but when I saw your post about 3000 lbs., I took you somewhat literally. Obviously you were joking. I hope others realize you were joking too. I hope no one walks away from this thinking it's impossible for them to add 150-200 lbs to their bench in a year. Even if they can't, but if they tried...and only added 100 lbs., wouldn't that be something? I think we can agree on that. :)
 
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