"Assisted" Vs. Natural Training

[vinylgroover]

As casualBB has said, and as i have said time and time again, i have seen steroids put muscle/mass, whatever you want to call it on people who's training routine basically involves 4 sets of squats and 3 sets of cable crossover's each week, a slab of beer and McDonald's diet.

If you guys measure an effective sterod regime as one which puts on 45 pounds of muscle, then you need to get real. An effective steroid regime to the person using it is any amount of muscle over and above what they could have achieved naturally with the same input of effort.

Get real people.

 

[revexrevex]

good post bbbd and vinylgroover

 

[louden_swain]

I smell newbies. . . . . . .

 

[ffknight84]

agreed, over 5 years and still all natty, so much progress, cant wait to post before and afters from just one year ago,its unreal the diff.

 

[louden_swain]

Vinylgroover, could you truly be that incredibly dense? You really need to stop commenting on this subject.

Thats exactly what I am thinking.

 

[Thaibox]

Bootydaddy, thank you

Vinylgroover, could you truly be that incredibly dense? You really need to stop commenting on this subject.

 

[vinylgroover]

Bootydaddy, thank you

Vinylgroover, could you truly be that incredibly dense? You really need to stop commenting on this subject.

Don't give me that patronising bullshit Thaibox. If you choose to take steroids good for you......i could care less and you don't need to defend your actions to me or anyone else.

But don't come here and trot out your usual crap about how it's all diet and training and mental aptitiude and that steroids play a minor role.

5% of those who take steroids have any desire to compete as a bodybuilder therefore yes, of course diet and training is equally as important to them to get to the top.

But for the other 95% who take them, steroids will lead to gains that they could never have hoped of as naturals.......with the same input of effort, the same diet and the same training routine. Wake up and get real.

 

[IronLion]

Don't give me that patronising bullshit Thaibox. If you choose to take steroids good for you......i could care less and you don't need to defend your actions to me or anyone else.

But don't come here and trot out your usual crap about how it's all diet and training and mental aptitiude and that steroids play a minor role.

5% of those who take steroids have any desire to compete as a bodybuilder therefore yes, of course diet and training is equally as important to them to get to the top.

But for the other 95% who take them, steroids will lead to gains that they could never have hoped of as naturals.......with the same input of effort, the same diet and the same training routine. Wake up and get real.

yes if you hold all things constant, taking steroids will make you grow more than not taking them....but that is not what is being debated and you guys keep missing the point.

I think that steroids are being used like genetics, as an excuse to hate on people who work harder and are more dedicated

 

[vinylgroover]

yes if you hold all things constant, taking steroids will make you grow more than not taking them....but that is not what is being debated and you guys keep missing the point.

That is precisely the point.

No one is hating on anyone. But i will disagree with the ridiculous assertion that is always made on these boards that steroids are a 'minor' factor in increased growth by those who take them.

The majority of those on these boards and in real life who use are not competitive bodybuilders. I'm arguing the rule, not the exception.

 

[Thaibox]

I can't believe you totally missed what I(and others) was saying.
I think this thread has officially become a waste of board space.

Sorry jeremys