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As Promised, Makavelli's Cycle and Diet

Carth said:
Nice Mak! Saw the pics this morning and was impressed! Ummm..did you have any libido? You know that is my main concern as always. I refuse to give up the greatest gift god has given mankind! And that is a libido for sex!

Sup Carth? My libido was fine. My fiance would kill me if it wasn't. I'm like you. If I lost my sex drive, I wouldn't do any of this shit... ;)
 
racoon_city said:
Mak are you against empty tummy AM cardio??? i hear thats the best way to nuke lean mass.

I'm not against it. It works great. I do it on my off days. I don't do it on my training days because I train in the morning before work.
 
Makavelli said:
Sup Carth? My libido was fine. My fiance would kill me if it wasn't. I'm like you. If I lost my sex drive, I wouldn't do any of this shit... ;)

Hmmm. Just 2mgs of Adex and Tren would kill my drive. I can take Tren and still have somewhat a good libido but ONLY if I had some Dbol in there. Test will help too but it would have to be really high. Well over a gram per week and NO anti-e's of any kind or else libido is shot!
 
Carth said:
Hmmm. Just 2mgs of Adex and Tren would kill my drive. I can take Tren and still have somewhat a good libido but ONLY if I had some Dbol in there. Test will help too but it would have to be really high. Well over a gram per week and NO anti-e's of any kind or else libido is shot!

Remember I was also using Proviron.
 
JKurz1 said:
Mack do you really think your choice of gear made that much of a difference? What would be your ideal choice for a bulking cycle and a cutting cycle for someone in the "moderate" dose range? Also would you check out my diet log and tell me what you think?

bulk = tbol, deca, test? eq?
cutt - var, eq, winny

no slin, gh, tren, etc.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=456400

My ideal cutting cycle is the one that I used. From all my experience from myself and monitoring others this combo has proven the most effective for achieving the results that I need. For bulking one can choose from test, EQ, and D-Bol or Anadrol, or replace the EQ with deca. I'm not a deca fan, but I know some people do very well with it. For more advanced athletes adding in slin and GH will greatly increase growth, but it's not for rec users.

My theories on cycles are very simple and basic. I don't get complex or complicated, because it's not necessary. Ask anyone that I've set up a cycle for. They'll tell you that it was basic and it worked. Nutrition is what makes or breaks your results. The correct cycle is important, but you can do the supossed wrong cycle with a perfect diet and get great results. You can't do a perfect cycle with a bad diet and get great results. It's not going to happen.
 
Thanks for your reply in the other thread. I was more concerned with how you would restructure the diet if you trained at 7pm. The before and after shake and if you were trying to brun fat....Thanks..
I can add cottage cheese to the shake or protein or whatever....
 
Tryn2 said:
Thanks for your reply in the other thread. I was more concerned with how you would restructure the diet if you trained at 7pm. The before and after shake and if you were trying to brun fat....Thanks..
I can add cottage cheese to the shake or protein or whatever....

I just eat in reverse when I couldn't train in the morning. I think that happened only once or twice during the cycle. When I lay out a plan I stick to it. My last meal stayed the same, but the others were in reverse so that my carbs were tapered up to the workout. The pre and post workout meals were the same.
 
damn you look awesome. i have a few questions if you dont mind. you do cardio for the seven days. did you start doing two daily sessions from day 1 or only when you noticed the BF wasnt coming off? whats the intensity on cardio? also, if you workout right after you wake up, would it be more benificial to drink juice, instead of eating oatmeal, since its absorbed quicker? and last question, are you for or against working out bodyparts twice a week?

i know you said everything varies from person to person but im just curious of your opinions
 
Gumaro said:
damn you look awesome. i have a few questions if you dont mind. you do cardio for the seven days. did you start doing two daily sessions from day 1 or only when you noticed the BF wasnt coming off? whats the intensity on cardio? also, if you workout right after you wake up, would it be more benificial to drink juice, instead of eating oatmeal, since its absorbed quicker? and last question, are you for or against working out bodyparts twice a week?

i know you said everything varies from person to person but im just curious of your opinions

Thanks bro. I started doing cardio twice a day right away. I know my body very well so I know what I have to do get in shape quick. If I would have had more time I would have started off with once a day and the added another session when I needed. However I was on a time line.

I don't know what intensity I do it at. I just go at a pace where I'm not out of breath. My breathing elevated, but it doesn't get really hard until the last 5-10 minutes. That seems to work best for me.

Juice would be dietary suicide bro! No way would you want to drink juice. It would cause a huge insulin spike and the drop you half way through your workout. I eat the oatmeal 1 1/2 hours before I train. Then I train, do cardio, and then eat my post workout meal. That's about 3 hours after the preworkout meal.

I don't see any need to train a bodypart more than once a week. The schedule fits perfectly because you can hit one bodypart a day and still have a couple days off a week. I've tried every training program you can think of and this one works the best. The most I'll train a bodypart is once every 6 days, but I usually stick with once a week.
 
Makavelli said:
I just eat in reverse when I couldn't train in the morning. I think that happened only once or twice during the cycle. When I lay out a plan I stick to it. My last meal stayed the same, but the others were in reverse so that my carbs were tapered up to the workout. The pre and post workout meals were the same.

Thanks !!! The reason I was asking is becuase I train at that time and I was trying to figure out a new diet plan for myself. Diet seems to be my weakpoint, meal timing expecially. I know what works for you more than likely will not work for me but timing of insulin spikes and such should be related, right ??? So I train usually around 630 or so so lets use this as an example for me....


Training days:


(7:30am) Meal 1-8 oz. chicken, 4 oz. yam, 1 T. natural peanut butter

(10:00am) Meal 2-Same as 1

(12:30am) Meal 3-8 oz. eye of round, 2 T. natural peanut butter
Second session of cardio...

(6:00pm) Meal 4 - 3/4 C. old fashioned oatmeal, 50 g of whey
(7:00)Train and cardio

(8:30pm) Meal 5 - 1/2 C. old fashioned oatmeal, 30 g of dextrose, 50 g of whey, 20 g of creatine, 600 mgs ALA. (You can replace the oatmeal and dextrose for 2 packs of sugar oatmeal, but I had a lot of dextrose that I got for free so I used that instead)

(10:00pm) Meal 6-8 oz. eye of round, 25 g of whey, 1 T. Flax oil, brocoli
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Shit I typed that out looks weird to me..is that right ??? I may switch training to 11:00-12:00 am excluding cardio......
 
Tryn2 said:
Thanks !!! The reason I was asking is becuase I train at that time and I was trying to figure out a new diet plan for myself. Diet seems to be my weakpoint, meal timing expecially. I know what works for you more than likely will not work for me but timing of insulin spikes and such should be related, right ??? So I train usually around 630 or so so lets use this as an example for me....


Training days:


(7:30am) Meal 1-8 oz. chicken, 4 oz. yam, 1 T. natural peanut butter

(10:00am) Meal 2-Same as 1

(12:30am) Meal 3-8 oz. eye of round, 2 T. natural peanut butter
Second session of cardio...

(6:00pm) Meal 4 - 3/4 C. old fashioned oatmeal, 50 g of whey
(7:00)Train and cardio

(8:30pm) Meal 5 - 1/2 C. old fashioned oatmeal, 30 g of dextrose, 50 g of whey, 20 g of creatine, 600 mgs ALA. (You can replace the oatmeal and dextrose for 2 packs of sugar oatmeal, but I had a lot of dextrose that I got for free so I used that instead)

(10:00pm) Meal 6-8 oz. eye of round, 25 g of whey, 1 T. Flax oil, brocoli
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Shit I typed that out looks weird to me..is that right ??? I may switch training to 11:00-12:00 am excluding cardio......

That's fine, but you want your first cardio session first thing in the morning on an empty stomach if you are training in the evening.
 
I have another question...I have recently become addicted to smoothies. I use bananas, strawberries, whey protein,vanilla extract,can use honey, mangos, peaches....

1.)Are these good for me becaue I could live off them 24-7 ???
- I was worried about the sugars I guess turning to fat..
 
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Makavelli said:
Yes. When using T3 you can run clen without a break.

Tryn, you can't eat smoothies and get lean.


You mean I have to give up "smoothies"?
 
Makavelli said:
Yes. When using T3 you can run clen without a break.

Tryn, you can't eat smoothies and get lean.

the only reason I even tarted drinking them was because for the life of me I cant find a protein shake I can drink. The taste has been so bad lately I get goose bumps when Im drinking them and have to force it to stay down for like 20 mins after drinking it. Kind of gagging...I have tried many, many powders so I look for stuff to blend it with to mask the taste.....Completely...any pointers for that ? I dont mean to beat it to death but the shit is just nasty so far.......any hlpe would be much appreciated.
 
Makavelli said:
Here's my cycle and diet that I used for my photo shoot. I can't post it in the original thread due to board rules. It's in the gallery. Here's the link to it: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451418

My cycle was as follows:

My cycle for this shoot was:

Weeks 1-9: duo test from UG Vet(prop and cyp blend) 750 mgs/wk

Weeks 1-9: EQ 1 G/wk

Weeks 2-7: Tren 470 mgs/wk, Weeks 8-9: Tren 700 mgs/wk

Weeks 2-5: Winstrol 470 mgs/wk, Weeks 6-9: Winstrol 700 mgs/wk

Weeks 5-7: Proviron 50 mgs/day, Weeks 8-9: 100 mgs/day

Weeks 1-7: Clen 140 mcgs/day

Weeks 1-9: T3 ramped up to 75 mcgs/day

Weeks 1-9: Arimidex 2 mgs/day

Weeks 1-9: Nolvadex 25 mgs/day

I'm going to post the diet that I started off with. Keep in mind that my diet changes as I go along. The body is dynamic and so the diet must follow.

Training days:

Meal 1-3/4 C. old fashioned oatmeal, 50 g of whey
Train and cardio
Meal 2-1/2 C. old fashioned oatmeal, 30 g of dextrose, 50 g of whey, 20 g of creatine, 600 mgs ALA. (You can replace the oatmeal and dextrose for 2 packs of sugar oatmeal, but I had a lot of dextrose that I got for free so I used that instead)
Meal 3-8 oz. chicken, 4 oz. yam, 1 T. natural peanut butter
Meal 4-Same as 3
Meal 5-8 oz. eye of round, 2 T. natural peanut butter
Second session of cardio... :worried:
Meal 6-8 oz. eye of round, 25 g of whey, 1 T. Flax oil, brocoli

Off Days:
Cardio
Meal 1-1/2 C. old fashioned oatmeal, 50 g of whey, 1 T. Flax oil
Meal 2-8 oz. chicken, 4 oz. yam, 1 T. natural peanut butter
Meal 3-Same as 2
Meal 4-Same as 2
Meal 5-8 oz. eye of round, 25 g of whey, 1 T. flax oil, brocoli
Second session of cardio
Meal 6-Same as 5

As time went along I dropped my carbs down until the only carbs I had were pre and post training. My calories were 2800. I don't have the exact figures in front of me, but I believe my protein was 325 grams, carbs about 170 grams, and fat was 63 grams for training days.

For non training the calories were the same as was protein, but the carbs were 120 grams, and fat was 79 grams.

That's the basic plan brothas! Enjoy! ;) Keep in mind that diets have to be tailored to the individual. Just because this worked for me doesn't mean it will work for you. That's my disclaimer... ;)


Man that is a lot of juice and money
 
MTS said:
Man that is a lot of juice and money

Not really. It didn't cost very much. I can't tell you how much due to board rules, but suffice it to say the price was great.

Tryn, eat whole foods when dieting if you can't stomach meal replacement shakes. I don't drink shakes when I'm dieting. I have a dextrose and creatine shake with my whey and oatmeal post workout. Sometimes I'll just put the dextrose in the oatmeal with the whey.
 
Mack - it is a lot of juice.....f the $$......I'm gonna get up and back down to where you are bro....but as natty as possible....thats my driving force.
 
JKurz1 said:
Mack - it is a lot of juice.....f the $$......I'm gonna get up and back down to where you are bro....but as natty as possible....thats my driving force.

I have a difference perspective than most guys on here about what costitues a lot of AAS. To me it's average for the look I want and the results I need.

Good luck on your goals bro.
 
I wouldn't say that's a ''lot''... mak's advanced, knows what he's doing and remember tollerence and ability to utilize aas can vary as much to 4 times from person to person.
 
Tweakle said:
I wouldn't say that's a ''lot''... mak's advanced, knows what he's doing and remember tollerence and ability to utilize aas can vary as much to 4 times from person to person.

That's right. Also keep in mind that I had limited time to get in shape. I needed to get my blood levels up quick because I needed quick results. I couldn't wait 3-4 months to get the results. So I used those dosages knowing that it would expedite the process.
 
mak what kind of regimen would you design for a skinny fay guy? alot of cardio or alot of wieghts?
 
Up..!!! :verygood:

Great Post..!!

Makavelli Thanks for the post and all the answers I will save it in my documents..!!
:bright:
 
Thanks Makavelli, this was really great to read. I'm preparing for a cutter soon and this has inspired me!

I have a question. If you were to run T3 at only 25mcg just to keep metabolism up, is there any reason to ramp up or down? Would 25mcg be enough to keep metabolism going? And how long do you think it could be run safely?
 
SlimJim300 said:
Thanks Makavelli, this was really great to read. I'm preparing for a cutter soon and this has inspired me!

I have a question. If you were to run T3 at only 25mcg just to keep metabolism up, is there any reason to ramp up or down? Would 25mcg be enough to keep metabolism going? And how long do you think it could be run safely?

You may only need to use 25 mcgs/day to keep your metabolism up. This depends on several factors: 1) How fast your metabolism is to begin with, 2) How long you've been dieting, and 3) How lean you want to get. If you are looking to be sub 6% then you'll most likely need to increase it to 50-75 mcgs/day. This is not an absolute but from my experience it is necessary. The only other choice you have is to lower calories more, but this can lead to muscle loss. T3 can be run for months on end without any problems. This is assuming that you taper off correctly.
 
Pro80 said:
Makavelli,

How did your PCT looked like?

Thanks bro

A week after my last shot I used HCG at 3000, 3000, 3000, 2000, 2000, 1000 IU's every 4th day. I also started clomid at 100 mgs/day after 3 weeks, then dropped down to 50 mgs/day for another week. I started the clomid later because I wanted to see how I recovered with just HCG and nolvadex. I found that I wasn't fully recovered so I added in clomid and that did it. For me I need to use clomid. I know some claim that Nolvadex is the same, but I found that it is not. I stayed on the Nolvadex throughout PCT. I used 1 mg/day of Arimidex for the first 2 weeks, then went down to .5 mgs/day for the last two weeks.
 
Great work Makavelli. You're an inspiration to us all.

I'm just wondering if you've ever tried cutting with less drugs. :)

I've been dieting on Anavar for the last 5 weeks, and I'm gonna start a 4 week cycle of Test Propionate/A-dex, Anavar, T3, and maybe some remaining T-bol in a few days.

I know that I'll be about as lean as I could be after that cycle, and from past experiences, I find that I don't need that much gear to maintain my muscle on a diet.

I've been eating 2500 calories on workout days, and 2000 on cardio days. It usually goes: workout, cardio, workout, cardio, with a day off once in a while. (Yes, I do whole body workouts... they tend to work best for me).

So, basically, I'm just wondering if you think your results would be significantly worse on, say, half of the gear you used. :)

PS: Ever try insulin while dieting? I've noticed great results when using it on a diet... it really helps fight strength losses.
 
azul said:
Great work Makavelli. You're an inspiration to us all.

I'm just wondering if you've ever tried cutting with less drugs. :)

I've been dieting on Anavar for the last 5 weeks, and I'm gonna start a 4 week cycle of Test Propionate/A-dex, Anavar, T3, and maybe some remaining T-bol in a few days.

I know that I'll be about as lean as I could be after that cycle, and from past experiences, I find that I don't need that much gear to maintain my muscle on a diet.

I've been eating 2500 calories on workout days, and 2000 on cardio days. It usually goes: workout, cardio, workout, cardio, with a day off once in a while. (Yes, I do whole body workouts... they tend to work best for me).

So, basically, I'm just wondering if you think your results would be significantly worse on, say, half of the gear you used. :)

PS: Ever try insulin while dieting? I've noticed great results when using it on a diet... it really helps fight strength losses.

Thanks bro. Through my years of experience I've found that this is what works best for. As I've stated in this thread if I would have had more time I probably would have used lower doses. However I needed to get in shape quickly and knew that I would have to get my blood levels of AAS up in fast in order to prevent muscle loss. My next cycle I'm just going to use test, EQ, Winstrol, and Proviron. I'm going to leave the tren out. I don't want to run tren every time due to it's suppressing effects on endogenous test production.

I've used insulin during dieting on carb loading days. For this cycle I didn't have time to add carb loading days, so I didn't use it. I don't really notice that much from slin though. I probably won't use it again especially since I don't want to get any bigger.
 
Makavelli said:
Thanks bro. Through my years of experience I've found that this is what works best for. As I've stated in this thread if I would have had more time I probably would have used lower doses. However I needed to get in shape quickly and knew that I would have to get my blood levels of AAS up in fast in order to prevent muscle loss. My next cycle I'm just going to use test, EQ, Winstrol, and Proviron. I'm going to leave the tren out. I don't want to run tren every time due to it's suppressing effects on endogenous test production.

I've used insulin during dieting on carb loading days. For this cycle I didn't have time to add carb loading days, so I didn't use it. I don't really notice that much from slin though. I probably won't use it again especially since I don't want to get any bigger.
Mak do you think you can achieve this look with less gear if you were not pressed for time? are you keeping this hard lean look now that you are off?
 
Ok mac - you have two goals....you build a bulk cycle, then a pct, then a cut cycle....money is an issue, so what do you chose?

Test,tbol,deca

var, eq, winny>
 
You look great bro don't get me wrong but at some points of your cycle your between 2.5 - 3 grams a gear a week not even counting your anti-e's and the clen and t3. seems like an overkill.

I admit that cutting cycles need more gear than bulkers but shit last summer I did 50mgs of prop eod/75mgs of oral winny ed and I was more jacked and cut than ever before. 5'6"-5'7" 182lbs 7% bf. The lowest my BF was 4.3% at 160lbs 500mgs sust/500mgs primo/clen 120mgs. I barely go over 1 gram of gear p/w and never will use tren. I couldn't imagine 3grams p/w!

You look great bro just be careful.
 
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informed09 said:
Mak do you think you can achieve this look with less gear if you were not pressed for time? are you keeping this hard lean look now that you are off?

Sup brotha? Good to see ya on here. I don't look like that now. I'm still pretty lean, but not that lean. I may be able to achieve the same look with less, but don't have the time to experiment. My next cycle will be just test, EQ, winstrol, and proviron. So we'll see how I turn out. I have to start getting ready for more shoots and auditions.
 
JKurz1 said:
Ok mac - you have two goals....you build a bulk cycle, then a pct, then a cut cycle....money is an issue, so what do you chose?

Test,tbol,deca

var, eq, winny>

I would do test, deca, and D-Bol for the bulk and Test, EQ, and winstrol for the diet.
 
little chris said:
You look great bro don't get me wrong but at some points of your cycle your between 2.5 - 3 grams a gear a week not even counting your anti-e's and the clen and t3. seems like an overkill.

I admit that cutting cycles need more gear than bulkers but shit last summer I did 50mgs of prop eod/75mgs of oral winny ed and I was more jacked and cut than ever before. 5'6"-5'7" 182lbs 7% bf. The lowest my BF was 4.3% at 160lbs 500mgs sust/500mgs primo/clen 120mgs. I barely go over 1 gram of gear p/w and never will use tren. I couldn't imagine 3grams p/w!

You look great bro just be careful.

I understand bro, but you have to keep in mind that I know what it takes to achieve the look that I need in a short period of time. My next cycle will be less and we'll see how it turns out. It won't be much less, I'm just leaving the tren out this time. It's very suppressive and I noticed it while on it. My fiance has a sex drive like I do, so I can't be going without a libido... ;)
 
informed09 said:
Mak what is it that you are doing? Fitness modeling?

Yeah. I'm getting ready to send out my comp cards in the next month so I had to start dieting again. I'm going to be constantly dieting now. No more bulking.
 
Makavelli said:
I would do test, deca, and D-Bol for the bulk and Test, EQ, and winstrol for the diet.

And what about Test,Tren and Masteron for the diet?
Or Test,EQ and Masteron?

Would this combo be better than Test,EQ and winny for getting hard?
 
Pro80 said:
And what about Test,Tren and Masteron for the diet?
Or Test,EQ and Masteron?

Would this combo be better than Test,EQ and winny for getting hard?

Not in my experience. Masteron and Proviron are very similar and I always use proviron. Winstrol makes me hard like nothing else.
 
Mak,

In regards to your original diet for this cycle, did your calories stay around 2800 for the entire cycle but the MACRO percentages change? i.e. percentage of protein/carbs/fat
 
anal itch said:
Mak,

In regards to your original diet for this cycle, did your calories stay around 2800 for the entire cycle but the MACRO percentages change? i.e. percentage of protein/carbs/fat

Yeah. I stayed at 2800 the whole time. As I got leaner I started lowering my carbs and increasing my fat. Protein was at the same amount the whole diet.
 
Mak,
I'm on a decent diet liek you. How do you curb the cravings for an oversized willy wonker chocolate bar?! I don't even like sweets but when I'm dieting and eating so clean, its so hard to not go postal on a hersheys.

The urge to rip open and mop a whole friggin tub of ice cream is driving me insane. Do you cheat at all? I've been so good with my diet. I'm down to about 7% bf and ripped and tight but I feel my body just wants that 4% bf back.

I-Hulk
 
iHulk said:
Mak,
I'm on a decent diet liek you. How do you curb the cravings for an oversized willy wonker chocolate bar?! I don't even like sweets but when I'm dieting and eating so clean, its so hard to not go postal on a hersheys.

The urge to rip open and mop a whole friggin tub of ice cream is driving me insane. Do you cheat at all? I've been so good with my diet. I'm down to about 7% bf and ripped and tight but I feel my body just wants that 4% bf back.

I-Hulk

Yeah bro, it gets very hard. I can't even sleep good right now because I get so hungry. You're right. Your body does want to go back to it's original bodyfat %. It fights you all the way to your goal. I don't cheat at all when I'm dieting. To me that defeats the purpose. Why cheat if I have a goal to accomplish. You have to understand that I'm an extremely disciplined person. Everyone who knows me says I'm the most disciplined person they've ever met. It's a gift and a curse. It's great because I sustain long periods of dieting and hard training, but it's a curse because it makes my life pretty boring. No going out and partying, no going out to dinner, no going to the movies unless I can bring my food with me. It's all a sacrifice.
 
Makavelli said:
Yeah bro, it gets very hard. I can't even sleep good right now because I get so hungry. You're right. Your body does want to go back to it's original bodyfat %. It fights you all the way to your goal. I don't cheat at all when I'm dieting. To me that defeats the purpose. Why cheat if I have a goal to accomplish. You have to understand that I'm an extremely disciplined person. Everyone who knows me says I'm the most disciplined person they've ever met. It's a gift and a curse. It's great because I sustain long periods of dieting and hard training, but it's a curse because it makes my life pretty boring. No going out and partying, no going out to dinner, no going to the movies unless I can bring my food with me. It's all a sacrifice.

You must spread some Karma around before giving it to Makavelli again.
 
Makavelli said:
Yeah bro, it gets very hard. I can't even sleep good right now because I get so hungry. You're right. Your body does want to go back to it's original bodyfat %. It fights you all the way to your goal. I don't cheat at all when I'm dieting. To me that defeats the purpose. Why cheat if I have a goal to accomplish. You have to understand that I'm an extremely disciplined person. Everyone who knows me says I'm the most disciplined person they've ever met. It's a gift and a curse. It's great because I sustain long periods of dieting and hard training, but it's a curse because it makes my life pretty boring. No going out and partying, no going out to dinner, no going to the movies unless I can bring my food with me. It's all a sacrifice.

wow, that is incredible discipline and I applaud your results, it shows brotha. Interesting that you mention sleepng, because towards the end of my cyc and after 10-12 weeks of strict dieting my sleep pattens get all messed up too. I fight the urge not to raid the fridge , and even if I did there is nothing in there that will satisfy my craving. Not one thing that is worth getting out a bed for. So I just lay there and suck it up.

I understand its part of your job to be so disciplined because I think you mentioned your a fitness model (or aspiring to be one) and god knows your livelyhood depends on looking perfect. But even then, not being able to go out for a nice dinner every once in a while or seeing a movie with your girlfriend (or wife) or friends seems like it would take a toll on your mental state. For me the gym, diet, training, partaking in this forum are enjoyable to me, but if it stops me from enjoying the finer things in life, I wouldn't do any of it.

Plus it helps with getting chicks, which btw is my sole purpose on this blue earth ---chase tail. LOL!
 
Mak, you look shredded! Great job. I'm geeting ready to start my cutter. I'm at 10% bf now. I'm gonna try to get down to 6%.
 
ihulk and benhart... dont know where you guys came from but its nice to have a few big and tight dudes in this thread... i thought i was the only one DYING from these horrible cravings... Right now im cutting on NPP and Prop and I basically have to tape my fridge shut at night cuz if i dont, i will find a way in there to eat whatever isnt bland protein....
 
I dont know why, but every night I crave mint chip icecream. Just that. I want it right now. I hate chocolate and never ate that or candy growing up. I'm craving those chocolate chips melting in my mouth as I type this. DAMN!
 
Bro, I hear ya.. Right now Im trying my hardest to keep myself away from the fridge.. I have a half gallon of Moose Tracks ice creams waiting for me on my cheat day,... But that isnt till Sunday... Sat night I let myself have a few more glasses of wine than usual and I let myself go on Sunday.. Ill eat 40-50 grams of protein per meal but i wont count all the carbs and fat i eat... Right now I wish I could put that half gallon in the microwave for about 30 sec so its nice and moist and then bury my face in the container.... damn now that ive just read what i wrote i cant say that i feel that way towards many hoes.... LOL
 
JuicedAthletics said:
ihulk and benhart... dont know where you guys came from but its nice to have a few big and tight dudes in this thread... i thought i was the only one DYING from these horrible cravings... Right now im cutting on NPP and Prop and I basically have to tape my fridge shut at night cuz if i dont, i will find a way in there to eat whatever isnt bland protein....

lol! thanks man. even Mak said its hard for him too. So I guess its more common than we think. I try to crush my cravings with a nice cold chocolate myoplex 53 gram protein/cla/glutamine/fiber shake with a banana and ice blended. Tastes pretty close to a choc milkshake.
 
Well, I made it through the night with no mint chip. I ate 1% "no salt added" cottage cheese mixed with strawberry low-carb yogurt.
 
iHulk said:
wow, that is incredible discipline and I applaud your results, it shows brotha. Interesting that you mention sleepng, because towards the end of my cyc and after 10-12 weeks of strict dieting my sleep pattens get all messed up too. I fight the urge not to raid the fridge , and even if I did there is nothing in there that will satisfy my craving. Not one thing that is worth getting out a bed for. So I just lay there and suck it up.

I understand its part of your job to be so disciplined because I think you mentioned your a fitness model (or aspiring to be one) and god knows your livelyhood depends on looking perfect. But even then, not being able to go out for a nice dinner every once in a while or seeing a movie with your girlfriend (or wife) or friends seems like it would take a toll on your mental state. For me the gym, diet, training, partaking in this forum are enjoyable to me, but if it stops me from enjoying the finer things in life, I wouldn't do any of it.

Plus it helps with getting chicks, which btw is my sole purpose on this blue earth ---chase tail. LOL!

Once I get to where I need to be I can take a few days off here and there. They usually give you at least a week to be ready for a shoot. For the most part they understand that you don't walk around looking like that all the time. I don't plan on doing this for that long. Just long enough to get out of it what I need, which is experience, print work, etc. Then I'll move into film and T.V., which is my ultimate goal.

I totally understand what you're saying bro. My fiance always asks me how long I plan on doing this when I come back from my second session of cardio looking like a zombie and can hardly walk up stairs to our room. I don't plan on living this way forever.

The only thing I can recommend to you guys for cravings is Meridia. I haven't been able to find it though for a long time, but that stuff worked. I have a huge appetite and it cut down on the cravings.
 
you just have to think about how f*cking bad you really want the look your going for. you wake up and go to the gym religously and slave yourself, while others eat & sleep their lives away. believe me, I been wanting to tear them damn girl scout cookies up for weeks now since they have been out again, but i dont. all of the effort and hard work you put in to your body to waste it on 10 mins of indulgence. it's not worth it to me. i just stick with my cheat days and remember that it is coming up soon and that usually helps. also anpb will satisfy my craving sometimes.

also mak,
your diet you've got listed here.

meals with chicken and yams, do you prepare them different each time or the same way each time? it gets really old eating the same thing time after time, i've been doing it for while now, but then again, I look forward to my cheat days. whats your opinion?
 
gettinripped said:
you just have to think about how f*cking bad you really want the look your going for. you wake up and go to the gym religously and slave yourself, while others eat & sleep their lives away. believe me, I been wanting to tear them damn girl scout cookies up for weeks now since they have been out again, but i dont. all of the effort and hard work you put in to your body to waste it on 10 mins of indulgence. it's not worth it to me. i just stick with my cheat days and remember that it is coming up soon and that usually helps. also anpb will satisfy my craving sometimes.

also mak,
your diet you've got listed here.

meals with chicken and yams, do you prepare them different each time or the same way each time? it gets really old eating the same thing time after time, i've been doing it for while now, but then again, I look forward to my cheat days. whats your opinion?

I cook them the same way and eat them the same way all the time. Yes, it's boring, but diets aren't fun. I don't veer off my diet plan at all. The only time it changes is when I need to start lowering carbs more, which is usually about 4 weeks out from the shoot. Then I'll add more fat to make up for the lost cals from carbs.
 
Makavelli said:
I cook them the same way and eat them the same way all the time. Yes, it's boring, but diets aren't fun. I don't veer off my diet plan at all. The only time it changes is when I need to start lowering carbs more, which is usually about 4 weeks out from the shoot. Then I'll add more fat to make up for the lost cals from carbs.


how do you cook them?? grill, broil, bake??
 
I remember my last show down in Long Beach. I was driving down Interstate I-5, the day before the show, from the Bay Area. I had a large bowl of yams on the front passenger seat. I was cramming them down every hour, while chugging a bottle of creatine. Since I was water depleteing, it was brutal! When I got to Long Beach, my buddies saw orange mush and white powder all over me. They thought I was snorting fatties and puking. LMFAO!!
 
mak--you feel two 30 minute sessions of cardio is sufficient---doesnt it take 20 minutes just to get your hearate in the fatburning zone--what type of intensity level are you performing your cardio
 
shape said:
mak--you feel two 30 minute sessions of cardio is sufficient---doesnt it take 20 minutes just to get your hearate in the fatburning zone--what type of intensity level are you performing your cardio

Yes. That's a total of an hour a day on the stepmill. I do my first cardio session after I train. This allows my body to immediately begin taping into my fat stores for energy since I just trained and used up any stored glycogen that I had. Also I eat low carb, so my stores aren't full to begin with. The second session is in the evening when I haven't eaten any carbs for several hours. Again this allows my body to tap into my fat stores for energy. Try it out. It works.

I do moderate intensity on the stepmill. I'm only out of breath at the end.
 
Makavelli said:
Yes. That's a total of an hour a day on the stepmill. I do my first cardio session after I train. This allows my body to immediately begin taping into my fat stores for energy since I just trained and used up any stored glycogen that I had. Also I eat low carb, so my stores aren't full to begin with. The second session is in the evening when I haven't eaten any carbs for several hours. Again this allows my body to tap into my fat stores for energy. Try it out. It works.

I do moderate intensity on the stepmill. I'm only out of breath at the end.

the stepmill is no joke I have the 7000pt, 20 minutes is enough!
 
We are talking about a stairmaster type of equipment right? Will have to do that to start mixing it up, my thighs are starting to chafe from running on the mill.

Monopoly
 
monopoly19 said:
We are talking about a stairmaster type of equipment right? Will have to do that to start mixing it up, my thighs are starting to chafe from running on the mill.

Monopoly

It's the stairs that move so you can't cheat. It's just like climbing stairs. I've found that nothing works as good as the stepmill for fat loss.
 
mak how do you keep calories high while eating clean? id say 2-3k range
 
racoon_city said:
mak how do you keep calories high while eating clean? id say 2-3k range

I diet on 2800 cals/day. I don't bulk anymore, but when I did I ate the same foods, just more of them. I still ate low carbs and tapered them throughout the day. The easiest way to add clean cals when you're trying to put on size is with all natural peanut butter and flax oil. I've had guys eat a jar of natural pb a day to help them put on size.
 
Makavelli said:
Once I get to where I need to be I can take a few days off here and there. They usually give you at least a week to be ready for a shoot. For the most part they understand that you don't walk around looking like that all the time. I don't plan on doing this for that long. Just long enough to get out of it what I need, which is experience, print work, etc. Then I'll move into film and T.V., which is my ultimate goal.

I totally understand what you're saying bro. My fiance always asks me how long I plan on doing this when I come back from my second session of cardio looking like a zombie and can hardly walk up stairs to our room. I don't plan on living this way forever.

"You must spread some Karma around before giving it to Makavelli again."

I hope someone like yourself "makes" it. You have the work ethic and nobody's given you a free ride like most of the donkeys I've met in the film, tv and print industry. I've done some print work and was in a couple Indie films and all of them had me take off my shirt somewhere in the shots...lol! It was wicked fun tho. Just realized that it wasn't my calling.

So do it man, you got the bod for it. And I don't mean that in a gay way at all... that industry is tuff. And btw, be prepared for a lot of homos checkin you out along with the chicks. It took me a while to get used to that shit, its a bit awkward at first. Anyway, keep it up.
 
iHulk said:
"You must spread some Karma around before giving it to Makavelli again."

I hope someone like yourself "makes" it. You have the work ethic and nobody's given you a free ride like most of the donkeys I've met in the film, tv and print industry. I've done some print work and was in a couple Indie films and all of them had me take off my shirt somewhere in the shots...lol! It was wicked fun tho. Just realized that it wasn't my calling.

So do it man, you got the bod for it. And I don't mean that in a gay way at all... that industry is tuff. And btw, be prepared for a lot of homos checkin you out along with the chicks. It took me a while to get used to that shit, its a bit awkward at first. Anyway, keep it up.

Thanks bro. I know what you mean about the gay guys hitting on you. I'm already bombarded with them!LOL!

Lucky for me my fiance is an actress and a model, so she knows what's up. It is a tough industry. After I do some fitness modeling I'm going to get smaller to get into film. I don't want to get stereotyped into a "meathead" actor. Just getting roles because of my physique. My fiance told me the same thing, that I have to get smaller to get into film. I'll do what I have to do.
 
petalpusher said:
Mak,

I take it that your a nutritionist/trainer by day?

No. I'm not. I do consultations on the side for bodybuilders, figure competitors, and fitness models. I've helped a few regular models also. I'm actually a loan officer for a bank. I do mortgages. Funny huh?
 
Makavelli said:
I diet on 2800 cals/day. I don't bulk anymore, but when I did I ate the same foods, just more of them. I still ate low carbs and tapered them throughout the day. The easiest way to add clean cals when you're trying to put on size is with all natural peanut butter and flax oil. I've had guys eat a jar of natural pb a day to help them put on size.


Thanks for all the help. Im already noticing visible fat loss.
 
Makavelli said:
No. I'm not. I do consultations on the side for bodybuilders, figure competitors, and fitness models. I've helped a few regular models also. I'm actually a loan officer for a bank. I do mortgages. Funny huh?

Right on man. I do mortgages as well. :coffee:
 
Hey Mak,
I'm looking to lean up a bit but I don't want to lose anymore size. Right now I'm about 10-12% bodyfat and looking to get down below 8%. Right now I have about 8oz of carbs with every meal mainly consisting of brown rice or oatmeal. What do you think of this? Should I cut my carbs in half or should I switch to another type of carb for each meal? Only thing I'm talking now is Clen.
 
FreakMonster said:
Hey Mak,
I'm looking to lean up a bit but I don't want to lose anymore size. Right now I'm about 10-12% bodyfat and looking to get down below 8%. Right now I have about 8oz of carbs with every meal mainly consisting of brown rice or oatmeal. What do you think of this? Should I cut my carbs in half or should I switch to another type of carb for each meal? Only thing I'm talking now is Clen.

How many grams of carbs is 8 oz.? You should stick with oatmeal and yams for carbs.
 
FreakMonster said:
44 grams = 8 oz

What about Sweet Potatoes? What's the difference in yams and sweet potatoes?

What are your stats? Sweet potatoes are yams. They're the same thing. 1 oz. has 7 grams of carbs.
 
Makavelli said:
No. I'm not. I do consultations on the side for bodybuilders, figure competitors, and fitness models. I've helped a few regular models also. I'm actually a loan officer for a bank. I do mortgages. Funny huh?

Your a funny guy mak ;)
 
Makavelli said:
I'm in Cali too. I had to get up early for a shoot.

Somethin tells me your thread ias going to be here long after we are Mak!!!

LOL
 
FreakMonster said:
So Mak,
Should I stick with 4 oz or 8 oz of Yam?
Mack is not "GOD"....he is an extremely knowledgeable bro who knows what works FOR HIM.....he can't tell you what will work for you. I promise you, if you eat 4ozs or 8oz, you will never look like he does. You may look awesome, but not the same as him. Point is, it's trial and error........find out what works for you and do it.....personally, I need HIGH HIGH fats and mod/ to low carbs with high protein. Some like high carbs, to each his own.
 
JKurz1 said:
Mack is not "GOD"....he is an extremely knowledgeable bro who knows what works FOR HIM.....he can't tell you what will work for you. I promise you, if you eat 4ozs or 8oz, you will never look like he does. You may look awesome, but not the same as him. Point is, it's trial and error........find out what works for you and do it.....personally, I need HIGH HIGH fats and mod/ to low carbs with high protein. Some like high carbs, to each his own.
Did I ever fucking say I wanted to look like him? I'm just trying to get diet advice buddy. Lay off the test.
 
Mack is not "GOD"....he is an extremely knowledgeable bro who knows what works FOR HIM.....he can't tell you what will work for you. I promise you, if you eat 4ozs or 8oz, you will never look like he does. You may look awesome, but not the same as him. Point is, it's trial and error........find out what works for you and do it.....personally, I need HIGH HIGH fats and mod/ to low carbs with high protein. Some like high carbs, to each his own.

JKurz1... Dont know why you jumped the gun so quickly.. Ive seen some of your posts where you ask very redundant questions.. In general terms, it WILL work for someone else if it works for MAK.. Your correct in saying he will have to dial in the diet for himself.. But a good general rule is that it WILL work to an extent.. Relax bro.. No one hates on you when you post several hundred questions mostly reguarding the same thing....
 
FreakMonster said:
So Mak,
Should I stick with 4 oz or 8 oz of Yam?

I would start off at 6 oz. and go from there. I have a very fast metabolism and I get my best results from eating what I posted. You may be able to eat 8 oz. still get the results you want. You have to try it and see if it works.
 
remeber guys jkurz has been hospitolized for obessive compulsion, bigorexia and a slew of other shit so i would take his opinions with a grain of salt!!!
 
Makavelli said:
I would start off at 6 oz. and go from there. I have a very fast metabolism and I get my best results from eating what I posted. You may be able to eat 8 oz. still get the results you want. You have to try it and see if it works.
Cool thanks. I'll try 6 and see what happens. I also have a very fast metabolism like you. Do you ever get hungry between your meals on the diet that your currently on?
 
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