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As Promised, Makavelli's Cycle and Diet

Makavelli

Makavelli

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Here's my cycle and diet that I used for my photo shoot. I can't post it in the original thread due to board rules. It's in the gallery. Here's the link to it: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451418

My cycle was as follows:

My cycle for this shoot was:

Weeks 1-9: duo test from UG Vet(prop and cyp blend) 750 mgs/wk

Weeks 1-9: EQ 1 G/wk

Weeks 2-7: Tren 470 mgs/wk, Weeks 8-9: Tren 700 mgs/wk

Weeks 2-5: Winstrol 470 mgs/wk, Weeks 6-9: Winstrol 700 mgs/wk

Weeks 5-7: Proviron 50 mgs/day, Weeks 8-9: 100 mgs/day

Weeks 1-7: Clen 140 mcgs/day

Weeks 1-9: T3 ramped up to 75 mcgs/day

Weeks 1-9: Arimidex 2 mgs/day

Weeks 1-9: Nolvadex 25 mgs/day

I'm going to post the diet that I started off with. Keep in mind that my diet changes as I go along. The body is dynamic and so the diet must follow.

Training days:

Meal 1-3/4 C. old fashioned oatmeal, 50 g of whey
Train and cardio
Meal 2-1/2 C. old fashioned oatmeal, 30 g of dextrose, 50 g of whey, 20 g of creatine, 600 mgs ALA. (You can replace the oatmeal and dextrose for 2 packs of sugar oatmeal, but I had a lot of dextrose that I got for free so I used that instead)
Meal 3-8 oz. chicken, 4 oz. yam, 1 T. natural peanut butter
Meal 4-Same as 3
Meal 5-8 oz. eye of round, 2 T. natural peanut butter
Second session of cardio... :worried:
Meal 6-8 oz. eye of round, 25 g of whey, 1 T. Flax oil, brocoli

Off Days:
Cardio
Meal 1-1/2 C. old fashioned oatmeal, 50 g of whey, 1 T. Flax oil
Meal 2-8 oz. chicken, 4 oz. yam, 1 T. natural peanut butter
Meal 3-Same as 2
Meal 4-Same as 2
Meal 5-8 oz. eye of round, 25 g of whey, 1 T. flax oil, brocoli
Second session of cardio
Meal 6-Same as 5

As time went along I dropped my carbs down until the only carbs I had were pre and post training. My calories were 2800. I don't have the exact figures in front of me, but I believe my protein was 325 grams, carbs about 170 grams, and fat was 63 grams for training days.

For non training the calories were the same as was protein, but the carbs were 120 grams, and fat was 79 grams.

That's the basic plan brothas! Enjoy! ;) Keep in mind that diets have to be tailored to the individual. Just because this worked for me doesn't mean it will work for you. That's my disclaimer... ;)
 
Makavelli said:
Here's my cycle and diet that I used for my photo shoot. I can't post it in the original thread due to board rules. It's in the gallery. Here's the link to it: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451418

My cycle was as follows:

My cycle for this shoot was:

Weeks 1-9: duo test from UG Vet(prop and cyp blend) 750 mgs/wk

Weeks 1-9: EQ 1 G/wk

Weeks 2-7: Tren 470 mgs/wk, Weeks 8-9: Tren 700 mgs/wk

Weeks 2-5: Winstrol 470 mgs/wk, Weeks 6-9: Winstrol 700 mgs/wk

Weeks 5-7: Proviron 50 mgs/day, Weeks 8-9: 100 mgs/day

Weeks 1-7: Clen 140 mcgs/day

Weeks 1-9: T3 ramped up to 75 mcgs/day

Weeks 1-9: Arimidex 2 mgs/day

Weeks 1-9: Nolvadex 25 mgs/day

I'm going to post the diet that I started off with. Keep in mind that my diet changes as I go along. The body is dynamic and so the diet must follow.

Training days:

Meal 1-3/4 C. old fashioned oatmeal, 50 g of whey
Train and cardio
Meal 2-1/2 C. old fashioned oatmeal, 30 g of dextrose, 50 g of whey, 20 g of creatine, 600 mgs ALA. (You can replace the oatmeal and dextrose for 2 packs of sugar oatmeal, but I had a lot of dextrose that I got for free so I used that instead)
Meal 3-8 oz. chicken, 4 oz. yam, 1 T. natural peanut butter
Meal 4-Same as 3
Meal 5-8 oz. eye of round, 2 T. natural peanut butter
Second session of cardio... :worried:
Meal 6-8 oz. eye of round, 25 g of whey, 1 T. Flax oil, brocoli

Off Days:
Cardio
Meal 1-1/2 C. old fashioned oatmeal, 50 g of whey, 1 T. Flax oil
Meal 2-8 oz. chicken, 4 oz. yam, 1 T. natural peanut butter
Meal 3-Same as 2
Meal 4-Same as 2
Meal 5-8 oz. eye of round, 25 g of whey, 1 T. flax oil, brocoli
Second session of cardio
Meal 6-Same as 5

As time went along I dropped my carbs down until the only carbs I had were pre and post training. My calories were 2800. I don't have the exact figures in front of me, but I believe my protein was 325 grams, carbs about 170 grams, and fat was 63 grams for training days.

For non training the calories were the same as was protein, but the carbs

were 120 grams, and fat was 79 grams.

That's the basic plan brothas! Enjoy! ;) Keep in mind that diets have to be tailored to the individual. Just because this worked for me doesn't mean it will work for you. That's my disclaimer... ;)
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Glad that worked for you brotha...you looked great!
 
Wow! What a cycle! How did that T3 work for you? Did you have any problems with it? I'm thinking about giving it a shot with my cutter for this spring which will include Tren, Winny And Prop. Any advice for a first timer with T3?
 
uglyass said:
What bf% were you to start with Mak, and how long after the cycle did you get your pics taken?

Thanks,

UglyASS
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The cycle was 9 weeks, but I started my diet in week 2. I was about 9% when I started. I was ready after 6 weeks, but I kept dieting.
 
Nice!!! thanks for posting - What is your reasoning for low gi combined w/ high gi carbs post work out?
 
so basicly you ate chicken,meat,oats,broccli and whey?

thats incredible
 
axe3 said:
Nice!!! thanks for posting - What is your reasoning for low gi combined w/ high gi carbs post work out?
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That's what I do, good quality low GI carbs throughout the day to keep my bodys supply of carbs going without giving it so much that it cant burn it and turns to fat, then post workout my body is craving for carbs so I use hi GI carbs as it will use them up at that time.

Doing that with low calories and low intensity cardio for a few hours a week rips me up nicely.

Not sure if thats why Makavelli does it though?

UglyASS
 
you look insane. do you cycle year round? are you naturally shredded off cycle with a fast metabolism?

again, you look great.
 
Makavelli said:
Yes we do... ;)
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im surprised at the test many of u vets out there just have the expierence that u know just how much u need and not over doing it.... i know alotta guys that are on a gram of test a week or more and dont look like that...granted u were running a gram of eq...u musta been a hungry ass mofo...lol
 
timtim said:
you look insane. do you cycle year round? are you naturally shredded off cycle with a fast metabolism?

again, you look great.
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No. I come off for extended periods of time. Between this cycle and my last one for my show I had a 6 month break. I do have a fast metabolism, but I also eat clean year round. I have my cheat days every week, but not when dieting for shoot or show.
 
axe3 said:
Nice!!! thanks for posting - What is your reasoning for low gi combined w/ high gi carbs post work out?
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When dieting I eat every 2 1/2 to 3 hours. If I eat just dextrose after training with whey isolate, I'll crash if I don't eat after about 1 1/2 hours. If I do tha quickly after the post workout shake I would have to space my meals out even more. I have a sick appetite so that doesn't work.

Yes Ugly, I use low GI carbs to keep insulin levels stable throughout the day, thereby keeping energy levels stable. Dieting is all about manipulating insulin levels. That's why it's dieting suicide to eat high GI carbs like rice cakes and fat free bullshit like girls always do.
 
growthspurt said:
Wow! What a cycle! How did that T3 work for you? Did you have any problems with it? I'm thinking about giving it a shot with my cutter for this spring which will include Tren, Winny And Prop. Any advice for a first timer with T3?
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I've never had a problem coming off T3. I run long cycles with a long taper down and I'm fine. Everyone is different though. That's solid cycle you'll be running. As long as you're diet is good, you'll be lean and hard. I would add Proviron.

My advice for someone that has never used T3 before is to have your thyroid levels tested first to see where you are naturally. You don't want to add T3 until your metabolism has slowed down. This usually happens after about 4 weeks. You'll know it because your fat loss will slow down and your morning basal temp will drop. I started the T3 right away because I know my body. I've used T3 so much that I knew what I needed. I was also in a time crunch to do the shoot.
 
MASSIVEMONSTER said:
thats a hell of a lot of gear. 3g a week vitually. really you should be 198 shredded at about 5`7 not at 6`.
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Ya bud great opinion, lets see you look better than him on "virtually" 3 grams of gear a week.
 
wgarrett said:
Ya bud great opinion, lets see you look better than him on "virtually" 3 grams of gear a week.
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Exactly. Dullboy is right also. I'm not looking to be huge. I have been much bigger, but for my goals, this is the look I need to have. I like this look much better too. I do it for myself.
 
Mr.X said:
looking good bro, K for you

p.s. the funky hair in the pics has to go, next time have them lay it flat ;)
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=30965
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Thanks X. About the hair, that's in style brotha! I'm not a very conservative person. I also live in L.A. It's funny, I'm originally from Detroit. Every time I go back there to visit family everyone comments on my hair. Here in L.A. I only get positive feedback. To each their own.
 
MASSIVEMONSTER said:
Mak,
How come you have chosen to drop down in size? Any particular reason?

What was your top weight?
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I'm not competing anymore. The look I have now is highly marketable, whereas a bigger, freakier look is not. In order to do fitness modeling you need to be lean and tight with a good muscle, but not freaky muscle. That's what I wanted to accomplish, so that's why I dropped down. I was up to 260 lbs. during my last bulking cycle before my last show. I don't need to bulk anymore, so I'll just stay lean and add a little muscle here and there as I see I need it.
 
mak you look awesome man but you know that!!

when you say start the t3 when you metabolism has slowed do you mean it has slowed due to dieting so then you can hit up the t3?

did you taper off the clen as well?

did you need use any b12 with the t3 and clen dose?
 
big49ersfan said:
mak you look awesome man but you know that!!

when you say start the t3 when you metabolism has slowed do you mean it has slowed due to dieting so then you can hit up the t3?

did you taper off the clen as well?

did you need use any b12 with the t3 and clen dose?
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Right. Your metabolism will slow down due to dieting. This usually happens around the 4th week. That's when you add T3 to continue burning the same amount of calories. I taper up on clen, but not down. It's not necessary. I didn't use any B 12.
 
paridhm said:
I like your cycle bro, but 2mg/day is heavy. Do you not respond well to Adex? Or are you very gyno prone?
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I don't have a problem with gyno. The reason for 2 mgs/day is because it was a short cycle and I needed to be able to assess changes quickly. When you're holding water, it's hard to see exactly what's going on. So I got rid of the water and then I could gauge my progress and make changes as I saw fit.
 
uglyass said:
Well it looks like you made the right changes!! lol

Thanks for taking the time to post your diet bro and good luck with the fitness modelling, if an ugly fucker like you can do it. .. hahaha Just kidding!!! :)

UglyASS
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No prob bro. I'm always happy to help you guys out when I can.
 
Makavelli said:
Here's my cycle and diet that I used for my photo shoot. I can't post it in the original thread due to board rules. It's in the gallery. Here's the link to it: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451418

My cycle was as follows:

My cycle for this shoot was:

Weeks 1-9: duo test from UG Vet(prop and cyp blend) 750 mgs/wk

Weeks 1-9: EQ 1 G/wk

Weeks 2-7: Tren 470 mgs/wk, Weeks 8-9: Tren 700 mgs/wk

Weeks 2-5: Winstrol 470 mgs/wk, Weeks 6-9: Winstrol 700 mgs/wk

Weeks 5-7: Proviron 50 mgs/day, Weeks 8-9: 100 mgs/day

Weeks 1-7: Clen 140 mcgs/day

Weeks 1-9: T3 ramped up to 75 mcgs/day

Weeks 1-9: Arimidex 2 mgs/day

Weeks 1-9: Nolvadex 25 mgs/day

I'm going to post the diet that I started off with. Keep in mind that my diet changes as I go along. The body is dynamic and so the diet must follow.

Training days:

Meal 1-3/4 C. old fashioned oatmeal, 50 g of whey
Train and cardio
Meal 2-1/2 C. old fashioned oatmeal, 30 g of dextrose, 50 g of whey, 20 g of creatine, 600 mgs ALA. (You can replace the oatmeal and dextrose for 2 packs of sugar oatmeal, but I had a lot of dextrose that I got for free so I used that instead)
Meal 3-8 oz. chicken, 4 oz. yam, 1 T. natural peanut butter
Meal 4-Same as 3
Meal 5-8 oz. eye of round, 2 T. natural peanut butter
Second session of cardio... :worried:
Meal 6-8 oz. eye of round, 25 g of whey, 1 T. Flax oil, brocoli

Off Days:
Cardio
Meal 1-1/2 C. old fashioned oatmeal, 50 g of whey, 1 T. Flax oil
Meal 2-8 oz. chicken, 4 oz. yam, 1 T. natural peanut butter
Meal 3-Same as 2
Meal 4-Same as 2
Meal 5-8 oz. eye of round, 25 g of whey, 1 T. flax oil, brocoli
Second session of cardio
Meal 6-Same as 5

As time went along I dropped my carbs down until the only carbs I had were pre and post training. My calories were 2800. I don't have the exact figures in front of me, but I believe my protein was 325 grams, carbs about 170 grams, and fat was 63 grams for training days.

For non training the calories were the same as was protein, but the carbs were 120 grams, and fat was 79 grams.

That's the basic plan brothas! Enjoy! ;) Keep in mind that diets have to be tailored to the individual. Just because this worked for me doesn't mean it will work for you. That's my disclaimer... ;)
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Looks great!
 
so you ate your first meal before or after your morning workout?
 
steroid_myth_buster said:
so you ate your first meal before or after your morning workout?
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I ate my first meal an hour and a half before I trained. Then I have my post workout meal. I'm not sure how much I spent per week. Maybe $50-75. That's just a guess though. Remember that I live in Orange County, CA. Things are more expensive here compared with the rest of the country.
 
MASSIVEMONSTER said:
thats a hell of a lot of gear. 3g a week vitually. really you should be 198 shredded at about 5`7 not at 6`.
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It's a lot, but if he didnt have the eq in there, it would look a lot like what most people run on these boards (dosage wise). And eq pretty much needs to be run close to 1g/wk to get the most out of it. So that's gonna push your totals up.

Plus, people respond differently to gear. Some people need to use more than others.
 
Way to go Mak! You look great.

I think the main point people should be getting out of these kinds of threads is the ability to manipulate your diet/AAS usage/training to best accomodate your body and goals. TRIAL and ERROR is how you conquer your goals and become successful. If you do not understand your own body, you will never get optimal results.

Mak has found what works best for his body to a T. If others took the time to experiment on themselves, and not expect people to hold their hand every step of the way, they would be surprised to see what they would actually gain (and/or lose). You can follow other peoples advise as a backbone sometimes, but taillor it to best fit your own goals.

Again, great job Mak.

BMJ
 
Makavelli said:
Here's my cycle and diet that I used for my photo shoot. I can't post it in the original thread due to board rules. It's in the gallery. Here's the link to it: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451418

My cycle was as follows:

My cycle for this shoot was:

Weeks 1-9: duo test from UG Vet(prop and cyp blend) 750 mgs/wk

Weeks 1-9: EQ 1 G/wk

Weeks 2-7: Tren 470 mgs/wk, Weeks 8-9: Tren 700 mgs/wk

Weeks 2-5: Winstrol 470 mgs/wk, Weeks 6-9: Winstrol 700 mgs/wk

Weeks 5-7: Proviron 50 mgs/day, Weeks 8-9: 100 mgs/day

Weeks 1-7: Clen 140 mcgs/day

Weeks 1-9: T3 ramped up to 75 mcgs/day

Weeks 1-9: Arimidex 2 mgs/day

Weeks 1-9: Nolvadex 25 mgs/day

I'm going to post the diet that I started off with. Keep in mind that my diet changes as I go along. The body is dynamic and so the diet must follow.

Training days:

Meal 1-3/4 C. old fashioned oatmeal, 50 g of whey
Train and cardio
Meal 2-1/2 C. old fashioned oatmeal, 30 g of dextrose, 50 g of whey, 20 g of creatine, 600 mgs ALA. (You can replace the oatmeal and dextrose for 2 packs of sugar oatmeal, but I had a lot of dextrose that I got for free so I used that instead)
Meal 3-8 oz. chicken, 4 oz. yam, 1 T. natural peanut butter
Meal 4-Same as 3
Meal 5-8 oz. eye of round, 2 T. natural peanut butter
Second session of cardio... :worried:
Meal 6-8 oz. eye of round, 25 g of whey, 1 T. Flax oil, brocoli

Off Days:
Cardio
Meal 1-1/2 C. old fashioned oatmeal, 50 g of whey, 1 T. Flax oil
Meal 2-8 oz. chicken, 4 oz. yam, 1 T. natural peanut butter
Meal 3-Same as 2
Meal 4-Same as 2
Meal 5-8 oz. eye of round, 25 g of whey, 1 T. flax oil, brocoli
Second session of cardio
Meal 6-Same as 5

As time went along I dropped my carbs down until the only carbs I had were pre and post training. My calories were 2800. I don't have the exact figures in front of me, but I believe my protein was 325 grams, carbs about 170 grams, and fat was 63 grams for training days.

For non training the calories were the same as was protein, but the carbs were 120 grams, and fat was 79 grams.

That's the basic plan brothas! Enjoy! ;) Keep in mind that diets have to be tailored to the individual. Just because this worked for me doesn't mean it will work for you. That's my disclaimer... ;)
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Cardio twice a days sucks glad to see it is not just me that has to do it. :)
 
superqt4u2nv said:
Cardio twice a days sucks glad to see it is not just me that has to do it. :)
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Yeah. The worst part about dieting for a show or shoot is cardio. I consider myself a pro at dieting. I have no problem eating the same foods day and day out. I can't crabby sometimes of course, but for the most part I'm aiiighht! Cardio on the other hand drains the shit out of me. I feel like a zombie when I finish my second session.

QT, you'll find that the majority of top bodybuilders and figure competitors do cardio twice a day during contest prep.
 
Makavelli said:
Yeah. The worst part about dieting for a show or shoot is cardio. I consider myself a pro at dieting. I have no problem eating the same foods day and day out. I can't crabby sometimes of course, but for the most part I'm aiiighht! Cardio on the other hand drains the shit out of me. I feel like a zombie when I finish my second session.

QT, you'll find that the majority of top bodybuilders and figure competitors do cardio twice a day during contest prep.
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I hear ya man. Cardio can be so draining.

So do you do any ab exercises to get your abs to look like that or is it mostly cardio and diet?
 
Makavelli said:
Yeah. The worst part about dieting for a show or shoot is cardio. I consider myself a pro at dieting. I have no problem eating the same foods day and day out. I can't crabby sometimes of course, but for the most part I'm aiiighht! Cardio on the other hand drains the shit out of me. I feel like a zombie when I finish my second session.

QT, you'll find that the majority of top bodybuilders and figure competitors do cardio twice a day during contest prep.
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Amazing!!! What type of exercise do you do for cardio? Also, for how long and what intensity?

Thanks!!!
 
Mak, wow is all we can say man. I know your getting slammed with questions, but all that gear and your skin looks clean. any secrets? or are you just lucky?

agian, great job and thanks for the motivation boost!
 
FreakMonster said:
I hear ya man. Cardio can be so draining.

So do you do any ab exercises to get your abs to look like that or is it mostly cardio and diet?
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Just like with everything in bodybuilding my abs are a result of #1 genetics, #2 diet, and #3 genetics. I only train them once a week, just like all my other bodyparts. I do 3 sets of weighted crunches supersetted with regular crunches. That's it.

Pavlov, I do the stepmill for cardio. While preparing for the shoot I did 30 minutes twice a day. Now I do it once after training for 30 minutes. I keep the intensity the same the whole time.

Lee, I guess I'm lucky with my skin. The only place I break out is the top of my back. That happens when I'm off. Go figure... ;)
 
Makavelli said:
Yeah. The worst part about dieting for a show or shoot is cardio. I consider myself a pro at dieting. I have no problem eating the same foods day and day out. I can't crabby sometimes of course, but for the most part I'm aiiighht! Cardio on the other hand drains the shit out of me. I feel like a zombie when I finish my second session.

QT, you'll find that the majority of top bodybuilders and figure competitors do cardio twice a day during contest prep.
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How far out do you suggest starting the 2 cardio sessions? Last time I added it once I stopped losing with just one session per day.
 
superqt4u2nv said:
How far out do you suggest starting the 2 cardio sessions? Last time I added it once I stopped losing with just one session per day.
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Email me and we can go over it. It depends on how you look and how you're losing. For my shoot I started it right away because I knew where I needed to be and what it takes to get there. I didn't have a lot of time either. If I would have had more time I would not have started it twice a day right away.
 
Mak,
How long will you be able to stay at or near this look with out drugs. When I get below 8% I have an extremely tough time keeping it together (muscle wise/hardness) while being drug free.
 
axe3 said:
Mak,
How long will you be able to stay at or near this look with out drugs. When I get below 8% I have an extremely tough time keeping it together (muscle wise/hardness) while being drug free.
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I'll find out. I have to stay pretty lean right now as I'm getting my comp card ready to send out. When the agents see it they will call you in and you can't be out of shape. I'm holding up well now, but I've only been off for about 3 weeks. I'm guessing I can be the same bodyfat %, but probably about 5-7 lbs lighter if I don't go on.
 
slat1 said:
Looking amazing!
LOL at me getting nervous when I did a cycle that was a gram total!!!
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Thanks Slat. Keep in mind that when dieting you need to use more AAS to maintain your mass, then do when bulking and trying to build. I got up to 260 lbs. a year and a half ago by running a G of test and 50 mgs/day of D-Bol. I gained 40 lbs in 8 weeks. I was pounding food though. I hated how I felt and looked.
 
MAK, im surprised no one has asked what your work out schedual was..
so ill ask lol
what was your training schedual???

thanks
 
ajax_1 said:
MAK, im surprised no one has asked what your work out schedual was..
so ill ask lol
what was your training schedual???

thanks
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That's right. I found that I respond best to training each bodypart once a week. I split was as follows:

Sunday-Cardio
Monday-Chest
Tuesday-Traps, Back, Forearms
Wed-Tri's and Bi's
Thurday-Delts, Calves, Abs
Friday-Cardio
Saturday-Quads and hams
 
7wks of 140mcgs/day of clen.

I thought clen stops working after about two weeks (8 days for me). Could you still notice it working after that long?
 
Beachbum1546 said:
7wks of 140mcgs/day of clen.

I thought clen stops working after about two weeks (8 days for me). Could you still notice it working after that long?
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The reason clen stops working is because the beta 2's, the receptors that clen works on, will destroy itself due to the strong stimulation by clen. There is a solution. T3 keeps the number of beta 2's up so that there are receptors for the clen to work on. Using T3 and clen together, one can use clen continuously without having to come off. I still recommend a max of 8 weeks straight due to the adrenals getting burned out.
 
Makavelli said:
The reason clen stops working is because the beta 2's, the receptors that clen works on, will destroy itself due to the strong stimulation by clen. There is a solution. T3 keeps the number of beta 2's up so that there are receptors for the clen to work on. Using T3 and clen together, one can use clen continuously without having to come off. I still recommend a max of 8 weeks straight due to the adrenals getting burned out.
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Oh wow, I never knew that. I have some clen on hand, I should get some t3 to go with it. Thanks.
 
That cycle works great for you. Your photos are outstanding brother. Keep up the hard work!
 
I have been a lurker for a very very long time and I finally made my account so I can post on your thread. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with us, truely an ispriration. Can't wait to see you in the mags!
 
Makavelli said:
The reason clen stops working is because the beta 2's, the receptors that clen works on, will destroy itself due to the strong stimulation by clen. There is a solution. T3 keeps the number of beta 2's up so that there are receptors for the clen to work on. Using T3 and clen together, one can use clen continuously without having to come off. I still recommend a max of 8 weeks straight due to the adrenals getting burned out.
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I'm definitely not doubting you, but how come in every post where someone says:
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OK I wanna do a T3 clen Anavar Tren cycle

I'm gonna run T3 for about 7 weeks here is my pyramid
12345689999987654321 (etc)
Clen
80 80 80 120 120 etc for 7 weeks

Var and Tren info
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Then a vet comes in and says.. WHOA! noo no no no no! You need to cycle clen for 2 weeks on 2 weeks of use NYC, ECA, ECY, etc on the offweeks and shorten up your T3 cycle no more than 30 days!

...

You'd think the vets would say... k looks a little long to be on T3 is this your first time? Remember you can only run clen that long IF you are running T3 or something else to keep your beta 2s up...

??????
:mix:
 
Griffeyball said:
I have been a lurker for a very very long time and I finally made my account so I can post on your thread. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with us, truely an ispriration. Can't wait to see you in the mags!
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No prob. Thanks bro.
 
cyrex said:
I'm definitely not doubting you, but how come in every post where someone says:
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OK I wanna do a T3 clen Anavar Tren cycle

I'm gonna run T3 for about 7 weeks here is my pyramid
12345689999987654321 (etc)
Clen
80 80 80 120 120 etc for 7 weeks

Var and Tren info
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Then a vet comes in and says.. WHOA! noo no no no no! You need to cycle clen for 2 weeks on 2 weeks of use NYC, ECA, ECY, etc on the offweeks and shorten up your T3 cycle no more than 30 days!

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You'd think the vets would say... k looks a little long to be on T3 is this your first time? Remember you can only run clen that long IF you are running T3 or something else to keep your beta 2s up...

??????
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Most people don't know that using T3 keeps the beta 2's open. The 2 on/2 off theory has been in use since clen started. I have never went by that theory since I know you don't have to do it that way. You should take a week off every 4-6 weeks to keep your adrenals from getting burnt, but that has nothing to do with the beta 2's.
 
Makavelli said:
Most people don't know that using T3 keeps the beta 2's open. The 2 on/2 off theory has been in use since clen started. I have never went by that theory since I know you don't have to do it that way. You should take a week off every 4-6 weeks to keep your adrenals from getting burnt, but that has nothing to do with the beta 2's.
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right on . .
 
Makavelli said:
Most people don't know that using T3 keeps the beta 2's open. The 2 on/2 off theory has been in use since clen started. I have never went by that theory since I know you don't have to do it that way. You should take a week off every 4-6 weeks to keep your adrenals from getting burnt, but that has nothing to do with the beta 2's.
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I've read that taking Benadryl helps prolong the effectiveness of Clen. Is this true?
 
anal itch said:
I've read that taking Benadryl helps prolong the effectiveness of Clen. Is this true?
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Yeah it can. Benadryl contains an anti-histamine, which similar to ketotifen, can increase the number of beta 2's. It never really caught on though.
 
Makavelli said:
Yeah it can. Benadryl contains an anti-histamine, which similar to ketotifen, can increase the number of beta 2's. It never really caught on though.
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I normally take two of them before bed as it helps with my seasonal allergies at night and helps me sleep. What is the recommended dosage to help with the beta 2's?

BTW: I did 4 weeks of Clen starting at 40mcg going to 180mcg and still felt and saw the effects the entire time. I'm going to take a few weeks off then start again. Will this be enough time for my receptors to clear?
 
anal itch said:
I normally take two of them before bed as it helps with my seasonal allergies at night and helps me sleep. What is the recommended dosage to help with the beta 2's?

BTW: I did 4 weeks of Clen starting at 40mcg going to 180mcg and still felt and saw the effects the entire time. I'm going to take a few weeks off then start again. Will this be enough time for my receptors to clear?
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Yeah, that should be enough time. I would add in 25 mcg/day of T3. That will do it. I don't know the dosage of benadryl to do it. I recalled that from something I read a long time ago. I don't have it in front of me.
 
Mak: I've never done cardio post workout. I have always done it on an empty stomoch. What do you keep your hr at when doing it post? Are you having your post workout meal prior to doing cardio? Do you do cardio even after doing legs? I really appreciate you taking the time to answer everyones questions.

thanks
axe
 
axe3 said:
Mak: I've never done cardio post workout. I have always done it on an empty stomoch. What do you keep your hr at when doing it post? Are you having your post workout meal prior to doing cardio? Do you do cardio even after doing legs? I really appreciate you taking the time to answer everyones questions.

thanks
axe
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No prob. I'm always happy to help you guys out. I do my first 30 minute session right after I train and then have my postworkout meal. Then the second session is at night between my 5th and 6th meal. Yes, I do it after legs too. That sucks, but I do what I have to do.
 
Hey Mak, I emailed you a couple months ago with cycle and diet advice. I just want to let you (and everyone else here) know that your help has been invaluable. Many thanks.
 
dr_skier said:
Hey Mak, I emailed you a couple months ago with cycle and diet advice. I just want to let you (and everyone else here) know that your help has been invaluable. Many thanks.
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Thanks bro. Glad I could help.

Jkurz, I drink a ton of diet pepsi and diet Mountain Dew when I diet. If it doesn't have any cals, then I use it. I don't use artificial sweetners on anything when dieting because they can add up to calories if you use an amount where you can actually taste something.

I don't need to bulk anymore so I don't. I miss the eating, but don't miss the way I felt. My last bulking cycle was a year and a half ago. It was actually the only bulking cycle I've ever done. I went from 220 to 260 in 8 weeks. It was a 10 week cycle.
 
JKurz1 said:
What was your diet like then? During bulk? Lose the abs and cuts? What was the cycle?
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I only got to 10% bodyfat. I eat the same things when dieting and bulking. I just eat more of them. I'll also eat what I want if I'm craving something. My cycle was 1 G of cyp a week for 10 weeks and 50 mgs/day of Day for 8 weeks.
 
axe3 said:
Mak- I'd love to see yer pix @ 260 if you have any.
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I don't. Even if I did, nobody would ever see them. I didn't even like taking my shirt off!LOL! Actually I looked pretty jacked though. I was flipping through some pics while visiting my dad at Christmas and came across a guy with his shirt off, but you couldn't see his head. I was like "damn! Dude is jacked!". Then I realized it was me... :rolleyes: . My parents were there visiting me in Cali at the time and took some pics.
 
Nice Mak! Saw the pics this morning and was impressed! Ummm..did you have any libido? You know that is my main concern as always. I refuse to give up the greatest gift god has given mankind! And that is a libido for sex!
 
Mak are you against empty tummy AM cardio??? i hear thats the best way to nuke lean mass.
 
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