Arnis (Filipino stick fighting) Another Bad Ass MA?

[DANABOLIC55]

I bet Thai boxers have the same trouble explaining the "cut" you use in a Thai kick.

No shit...I can barely explain it when I'm physically there!

 

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Digger, I didn't mean to make sound like a work of fiction. lol.

Didn't mean to imply anything by that.

Good fiction can be useful -- real life is messy and confusing, and some people tend to freeze up when they're confused. That's one reason katas were invented -- to get a flow going. There's a story behind a good kata; sometimes it's made up, sometimes it's based on a real situation some master ran into once.

It's friggin hard to explain it, isn't it.??

Yep. It's great that people all over the world and from all sort of styles can come here and let their hair down but it's never going to be like stepping out onto the mat (or the hardwood) and SHOWING each other what we've got going. Best we can do is listen with respect.

 

[digger]

This is the limb destruction principle I was telling you about- the thai kick block with the bent knee. It's an interception technique- hence Jeet Kune DO -way of the intercepting fist or foot. Once you cause destruction of an initial blow, you then attack. This allows you to fight outside your weight class.

I thought that the point of a JKD 'interception' was that is was not divided into a block and counterattack, though. Take a simple example, a JKD 'interception' of a roundhouse punch -- it just takes the inside line, disrupting the roundhouse and landing a counterattack as a single, indivisible movement. Of course few real attacks would allow you such an elegant solution.

I'm excited to hear Inosanto is still active. He exchanged a lot of ideas with Lee and has done a lot to keep the JKD dream alive.

 

[DANABOLIC55]

I thought that the point of a JKD 'interception' was that is was not divided into a block and counterattack, though. Take a simple example, a JKD 'interception' of a roundhouse punch -- it just takes the inside line, disrupting the roundhouse and landing a counterattack as a single, indivisible movement. Of course few real attacks would allow you such an elegant solution.

I'm excited to hear Inosanto is still active. He exchanged a lot of ideas with Lee and has done a lot to keep the JKD dream alive.

In essance it is. If I destroy your punch, I just defended myself by hurting you simultaneously. If I am on key with the destruction-there is no way that I don't have an opportunity to escape. You will be hurt. A pause in your attack was caused. But, If I wish to arbitrarily decide to swap blows with you, that's where other skill will have to be used-Thai boxing, BJJ etc. By knowing other skills, I don't depend upon the mystical 1 undefendable technique like some other arts do. Some think JKD is kung fu gloryfied when it was really the first mixed martial art-it just had an asian name. It's really come full circle. At first people were practicing tons of arts in the JKD realm. Now, most just practice Thai, BJJ, and a weapon art. Obviously there are more available.

Inosanto IS JKD. He's done more than Lee ever did. Folks don't realize this man is an instructor in almost every martial art out there. Even Shooto and BJJ. He was training BJJ before there was a UFC.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

This is the limb destruction principle I was telling you about- the thai kick block with the bent knee. It's an interception technique- hence Jeet Kune DO -way of the intercepting fist or foot. Once you cause destruction of an initial blow, you then attack. This allows you to fight outside your weight class.
Although I have the heart of a Thai Boxer, there is very little a Thai guy can do against someone who parries his punches into the defenders elbow or blocks the kick with the bent knee destruction. If a 300 lb guy takes a swing at me and I use my boxing pary to guide his fist into my bent elbow, he's then reduced to a one handed fighter in severe pain. Then, I can attack with better chances.
I wish I could show you with boxing gloves for protection- it's very enlightening.
This mixed with clinch work is some of the best self defense you can learn.
This is the same with weapons. Hit the hand that holds the beer bottle, knife or stick. Then attack if you choose. Defang the snake.

I usually parry punches so that I can counter with another punch. It is a pretty basic MT practice. For a street fighting situation I can see the usefulness of guiding the guy's bare fist and power right into my elbow. That is a good way to break a hand and end a fight... Good shit bro.

 

[Tom Treutlein]

It all sounds good, but wouldn't it be very difficult to guide a punch to your elbow? I'm no martial artist (yet) so I probably have no idea what I'm talking about, but a lot of this sounds very difficult to utilize. Almost too situational.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

It all sounds good, but wouldn't it be very difficult to guide a punch to your elbow? I'm no martial artist (yet) so I probably have no idea what I'm talking about, but a lot of this sounds very difficult to utilize. Almost too situational.

Once you Spar for a while you get use to seeing punches flying at you. After a while unless the guy sets up his punch or can fire off quick enough, you should be able to see it coming. A parry is a firm push on the side of your opponent's fist meant to deflect the punch (Works great with Boxing gloves since your opponent’s gloves slides right off yours) if you set your hands up like a boxer and then picture a jab coming at you, you can see how easily you can Parry the jab with your left hand and meet it with your right elbow.

In a street fight, I think you might not be able to do this while a flurry of punches is being exchanged, but you should be able to do it at the beginning of the encounter when the guy you are fighting is going to throw a couple of “feel out” jabs at you to see how you respond…

 

[DANABOLIC55]

It all sounds good, but wouldn't it be very difficult to guide a punch to your elbow? I'm no martial artist (yet) so I probably have no idea what I'm talking about, but a lot of this sounds very difficult to utilize. Almost too situational.

Think of your left hand forward fighting stance. Then, the typical parry comes from the rear(right) hand. Since your lead left hand is already up, all you do is raise the elbow to about nose level at the same time you go to parry the punch.
The parry is secondary at times- especially when the incoming punch is a haymaker(usually telegraphed).
Just like anything else, it has to be practiced. Use no less than 12oz boxing gloves. Even then exercise caution- you can feel it through 16oz boxing gloves. It hurts like hell. The partner throwing the punch will only throw it hard once.

It does seem that the elbow is a small point to hit. But, it's the radius of the fist that matters - which is about 4-5 inches around(softball size)The contact on any of the fingers or outside of the fist hurts just as bad.

Even if it misses, the defender has his hands high w/ elbows in position for the clinch. They are almost sucked in or colapse on top of your clinch.
I'll look for a link w/ pics or video.

 

[illusionofsize]

It all sounds good, but wouldn't it be very difficult to guide a punch to your elbow? I'm no martial artist (yet) so I probably have no idea what I'm talking about, but a lot of this sounds very difficult to utilize. Almost too situational.

Nope, exact opposite. Destructions work in any situation( well,as long as someone is attacking you).
They are also very easy to learn and with a little practice cna be executed with a higher success rate than most kicks and punchs.
When you're trying to kick or punch someone they are trying to avoid it.
when someone is throwing at you it's a predictable line of attack and thus can be intercepted and destroyed( Good God it's harder to explain than it is to show you). YOu just guide their incoming punch, or kick into your weapon of choice.
The elbow to the fist will break a hand, thus removing his weapon. Hard to do on an accomplished boxer but in most street fights......great move.

 

[illusionofsize]

Inosanto IS JKD. He's done more than Lee ever did. Folks don't realize this man is an instructor in almost every martial art out there. Even Shooto and BJJ. He was training BJJ before there was a UFC.

Yup, He is the man. He showed me American Shoot technique back in 1988 at a seminar. (told us about this Shamrock guy who was famous in Japan for it).
He moves with a grace and centered balance that few men half his age have. Danny's also a normal, decent guy. Easy to talk to, polite, very relaxed.
First time I met him I was awed. This guy trained with B. Lee!!!They invented JKD together.!!!!
HIs knowledge of the arts, not just filipino but thai, chinese, japanesee, african, is unparralled. And he is respectful of all arts.