Arnis (Filipino stick fighting) Another Bad Ass MA?

[DANABOLIC55]

Don't limit yourself to just filipino knife work. The South Americans use boxing footwork with knife jabs and thrusts. They don't focus on sooo many flow drills like kali and other FMA's. The FMA's use thrusts as well but not like the South Americans. It's the footwork that sets them apart. I love the FMA's but seek alternatives as well!

 

[illusionofsize]

Once you train Kali or any FMA you learn to think differently about martial arts. It's principles are very silmilar to JKD. Throw in Silat and you have a fifth range.
You start with a single stick, move to double, then to blade work. Empty hand comes last.
The kalis illustrimo system only has 12 basic angles of attack and the 6 strike patterns. Like boxing, the theory can be learned in a matter of days.

But it takes a lifetime to perfect.

Danabolic 55, You train with Paul??? I have been to his seminars but I usually train with Danny when I can. I'm in Canada and not lot of opportunity.

 

[Bam]

Once you train Kali or any FMA you learn to think differently about martial arts. It's principles are very silmilar to JKD. Throw in Silat and you have a fifth range.
You start with a single stick, move to double, then to blade work. Empty hand comes last.
The kalis illustrimo system only has 12 basic angles of attack and the 6 strike patterns. Like boxing, the theory can be learned in a matter of days.

But it takes a lifetime to perfect.

Danabolic 55, You train with Paul??? I have been to his seminars but I usually train with Danny when I can. I'm in Canada and not lot of opportunity.

Eskrima is one of the most serious knife fighting arts I have seen. My teacher inherited the grandmaster title from Gilbert Tenio. It is unmatched in my opinion. I have leaned only a small part of what this art has to offer. I would not want to face a proficient fighter in this art.

 

[illusionofsize]

Ditto.^^^
Everything is interchangable.
An angle 1 cut with a knife is the same with a stick or a sword or as a jab.
Angle two becomes a cross or overhand.
THe easiest way to explain the principle is picture an extended punch.
Start at the fist and destroy the hand. Then the upper forearm, then the under forarm, then the bicep, then the delt, then the face, the throat cirlce behind, destroy the lat rib tie in, the kidney, femural, hamstring.
Repeat in reverse order up the other side.
Then go to ground and smash everything up with silat.

You can do with a blade( Hub5326" let him bleed out") or with stick, club, 2x4, or empty hand.

SOme guys will say" Yeah but he ain't gonna stand still for you to do that"
True, that's why kali footwork is so circular(zoning principles).
Take a look at some guys like:
Edgar Sulite
Cicoy Canate
Remy, Ernesto Presas
Tony Diega
Old Johnny Lacoste
ANtonio Illustrimo.
MAster Tenio.
MArk Wiley
and of course close knife experts like Vunak, Inosanto, Bustillo.

I think Kali combined with Silat and BJJ would give you an excellent base for anything from the street to tournaments.(oh maybe throw in some Thai)

Ill.

 

[DANABOLIC55]

Once you train Kali or any FMA you learn to think differently about martial arts. It's principles are very silmilar to JKD. Throw in Silat and you have a fifth range.
You start with a single stick, move to double, then to blade work. Empty hand comes last.
The kalis illustrimo system only has 12 basic angles of attack and the 6 strike patterns. Like boxing, the theory can be learned in a matter of days.

But it takes a lifetime to perfect.

Danabolic 55, You train with Paul??? I have been to his seminars but I usually train with Danny when I can. I'm in Canada and not lot of opportunity.

Paul...no.....I'm ranked by one of his lower guys in my home town in Pauls org. Danny....????Inosanto? I've had the pleasure of metting & training with him breifly 3 times. I can't learn much cause I find myself like a starstruck little boy when he's there. Most of my stick & knife is pure PFS and stickboxing type method. After years of drilling then sparring completely different, I decided that learning one art didn't do it for me. Most of my instructors are of Inosanto lineage though. My first weapon art was Modern Arnis which was cool for a beginer. I don't like the small circle jiu jitsu aspects of it.
The drilling does help me on the ground and in clinch. The sensitivity one learns through it is awsome. I think a lot of straight BJJ guys could benefit greatly by it. But, I don't like patty cakin when a knife is being slashed around- stick maybe, but not a knife.

Bam- try Sayok Kali before you make your decision on the most effective blade art. You may not like it, but it changed my mind.

 

[illusionofsize]

Paul...no.....I'm ranked by one of his lower guys in my home town in Pauls org. Danny....????Inosanto? I've had the pleasure of metting & training with him breifly 3 times. I can't learn much cause I find myself like a starstruck little boy when he's there. QUOTE]

Yeah, me too, and I've trained with him 16 different times. Mostly at his on-the road seminars and once a "camp" style retreat for a week. He has a presence, for sure.

"Patty-cakin with a knife." lol. Yeah, that would be uncomfortable.

 

[danielson]

i've done it for a while, close to getting the top 2 belts....its quick to pick up and hard to master....excellent weapons system as it allows you to use anything and make it a weapon of sorts....and it trashes a lot of the traditional rigid fighting systems as with this we spar every class...they tend to just do a few forms

 

[digger]

Ditto.^^^
Everything is interchangable.
An angle 1 cut with a knife is the same with a stick or a sword or as a jab.
Angle two becomes a cross or overhand.
THe easiest way to explain the principle is picture an extended punch.
Start at the fist and destroy the hand. Then the upper forearm, then the under forarm, then the bicep, then the delt, then the face, the throat cirlce behind, destroy the lat rib tie in, the kidney, femural, hamstring.
Repeat in reverse order up the other side.
Then go to ground and smash everything up with silat.

Dammmmnnnnn....

Reminds me of a story I read once. The hero is this incredible guy (and a thai boxer ), but the villain is built like a freakin' gorilla, and he once kicked the hero's ass to the point he gets the shakes just thinking about this guy.

So the author sets up a situation where the hero has got to fight him again. And win -- he was going to just let the guy kill him and get it over with, but there's someone else's life at stake... anyway, he realizes that he's been thinking "once that guy gets his hands on me, it's all over." And suddenly understands what he has to do.

He takes out the guy's hands.

He then smashes him up pretty much the way you describe, and finishes with a judo throw that pile-drives him.

The author does hand-to-hand like no one else I've ever read. Judo, kobudo, swords, small-arms, backhoes (!).... His name's Peter O'Donnell.

 

[DANABOLIC55]

Dammmmnnnnn....

Reminds me of a story I read once. The hero is this incredible guy (and a thai boxer ), but the villain is built like a freakin' gorilla, and he once kicked the hero's ass to the point he gets the shakes just thinking about this guy.

So the author sets up a situation where the hero has got to fight him again. And win -- he was going to just let the guy kill him and get it over with, but there's someone else's life at stake... anyway, he realizes that he's been thinking "once that guy gets his hands on me, it's all over." And suddenly understands what he has to do.

He takes out the guy's hands.

He then smashes him up pretty much the way you describe, and finishes with a judo throw that pile-drives him.

The author does hand-to-hand like no one else I've ever read. Judo, kobudo, swords, small-arms, backhoes (!).... His name's Peter O'Donnell.

This is the limb destruction principle I was telling you about- the thai kick block with the bent knee. It's an interception technique- hence Jeet Kune DO -way of the intercepting fist or foot. Once you cause destruction of an initial blow, you then attack. This allows you to fight outside your weight class.
Although I have the heart of a Thai Boxer, there is very little a Thai guy can do against someone who parries his punches into the defenders elbow or blocks the kick with the bent knee destruction. If a 300 lb guy takes a swing at me and I use my boxing pary to guide his fist into my bent elbow, he's then reduced to a one handed fighter in severe pain. Then, I can attack with better chances.
I wish I could show you with boxing gloves for protection- it's very enlightening.
This mixed with clinch work is some of the best self defense you can learn.
This is the same with weapons. Hit the hand that holds the beer bottle, knife or stick. Then attack if you choose. Defang the snake.

 

[illusionofsize]

Digger, I didn't mean to make sound like a work of fiction. lol.
That's just one sequence that we learn. (picture it with a blade instead of an empty hand)

Danaboli55 "I wish I could show you......very enlightening".

It's friggin hard to explain it, isn't it.?? That whole sequence takes maybe 4-8 seconds and is done as really one flowing movement. Until you see or do it it sounds really complicated, but in all reality it's not.

I bet Thai boxers have the same trouble explaining the "cut" you use in a Thai kick.