arimidex for PCT???

[dmc777]

Who said anything about lowering it too low? Use the appropriate dosage.

beyond that -- there is a LOT of misinformation in this thread. If that endo is quoted correctly he needs to go back to school. Also, nydj66, you're on the right track but your conclusion is erroneous. First of all, there can be aromatization in the pc stage. And if estro isn't that high, Clomid can actually ADD MORE estrogen.

As for Nolvadex, it's such a limited , terrible drug it's almost pointless discussing it. It's the leeches of PCT. Unless you have gyno, nolva serves no purpose other than to delay recuperation.

Nelson, what would you say is wrong about the quote I posted. I'm curious because this is the protocol I'm using. I agree that if you're using hcg during pct then an ai should most definately be used. But what if hcg is used during cycle and not pct? Would you continue the hcg over into pct as well or stop and continue using the ai and nolva. Plus your products of course and PRS.

Also, what are your thoughts on this pct?

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/official-pct-2009-a-642825.html

 

[dmc777]

You don't like anastrozol in pct b/c it's an ai...but then recomend letrozole which is...an ai pls explain the logic thanks

He is recommending because of the addition of hcg to pct. Hcg causes aromitization. I'm assuming he just prefers letrozole over dex as an AI.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson, what would you say is wrong about the quote I posted. I'm curious because this is the protocol I'm using. I agree that if you're using hcg during pct then an ai should most definately be used. But what if hcg is used during cycle and not pct? Would you continue the hcg over into pct as well or stop and continue using the ai and nolva. Plus your products of course and PRS.

Also, what are your thoughts on this pct?

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/official-pct-2009-a-642825.html

I disagree with the indiscriminate use of HCG. I believe it should be used when atrophy is detected. ( You don't want to have to fight too much to get the balls back in play.) But why use it if you don't need it? And why use it if you're going to shut yourself down again? It serves no purpose other than to make it less effective in the long run. Usually, 3 days of 500 iu's after a cycle is all you need. HCG cures nothing. It just gives a little head start to recovering on your own.

 

[dmc777]

I disagree with the indiscriminate use of HCG. I believe it should be used when atrophy is detected. ( You don't want to have to fight too much to get the balls back in play.) But why use it if you don't need it? And why use it if you're going to shut yourself down again? It serves no purpose other than to make it less effective in the long run. Usually, 3 days of 500 iu's after a cycle is all you need. HCG cures nothing. It just gives a little head start to recovering on your own.

I see that makes sense as well. There's so many different opinions it's impossible for anyone too know for sure what the exact thing to would be. So what would you recommend to those who do run hcg throughout the cycle? Continue into pct with hcg or what? And you consider Nolva worthless in pct unless gyno is present correct? And why the hell isn't this thread in the pct forum lol? BTW Nelson, your big blast is sitting at my doorstep as we speak!

 

[nydj66]

You don't like anastrozol in pct b/c it's an ai...but then recomend letrozole which is...an ai pls explain the logic thanks

Yes, my post is a little confusing. It's all in how you define PCT.

Once upon a time it was recommended to use HCG at the end of a cycle, then start PCT after that.

I liked to use HCG just after the cycle while the esters were clearing. With HCG it is advisable to use an A.I. (I used letro).

After I discontinued the HCG and letro, I started the classic PCT of just clomid (no A.I.)

 

[nydj66]

Who said anything about lowering it too low? Use the appropriate dosage.

beyond that -- there is a LOT of misinformation in this thread. If that endo is quoted correctly he needs to go back to school. Also, nydj66, you're on the right track but your conclusion is erroneous. First of all, there can be aromatization in the pc stage. And if estro isn't that high, Clomid can actually ADD MORE estrogen.

As for Nolvadex, it's such a limited , terrible drug it's almost pointless discussing it. It's the leeches of PCT. Unless you have gyno, nolva serves no purpose other than to delay recuperation.

The endo excerp above was taken from Dr. John Swale's web site (I remember it but I can no longer find it on the web).

In a sense clomid does add estrogen because it does activate some estrogen receptors (that's why it a selective estrogen receptor modulator). That's also why it makes you feel weepy and emotional. However, it does not activate estrogen receptors in the hypothalamus why is why it was so widely used for PCT. Similarly, nolvadex does not activate estrogen receptors in breast tissue which is why it's still used to combat breast cancer.

 

[cuts82]

bottom line is i took nelsons advice for a recent pct, ran aromison, and hcg and i bounced back awesome! i couldnt get the unleased and sustain imported over here so i can only imagine how good it would of been with them included

 

[C Manson]

what dosage of aromisin are you guys running during pct?

 

[cuts82]

what dosage of aromisin are you guys running during pct?

half a tab eod (12.5mg) for 6 weeks i ran it

 

[galaxy]

Arimidex will drive estrogen levels too low. Not a good choice. Your joints will be on fire. Doesnt exactly create a good environment where you can still lift heavy to maintain gains.